[tvmonkey]

Originally Posted by mabo

Language has always been evolving and will continue to do so. Peole have this idea that words have a true meaning, but etymologists will tell you that simply isn't the case for the vast majority of modern language.

If you don't believe me, ask yourself when the last time was that you heard the word "gay" meaning happy.

As far as videogames engineers etc redefining their jobs, i'm fairly sure i could pick up virtually any magazine interviewe with a senior figure within the industry and you'd find them referring to frame rates etc as graphics. It's accepted.

There's a difference between evolution of language (which i accept) and laziness and generalisation which are both sloppy and derivative. There's already word's to describe movement in computer and video games, using the word graphics to generalize several components of video game structure is lazy not evolution.

[mabo]

Originally Posted by tvmonkey

There's a difference between evolution of language (which i accept) and laziness and generalisation which are both sloppy and derivative. There's already word's to describe movement in computer and video games, using the word graphics to generalize several components of video game structure is lazy not evolution.

Then i'm afraid 99% of the gaming public and industry are lazy in your view.

[tvmonkey]

Originally Posted by mabo

Then i'm afraid 99% of the gaming public and industry are lazy in your view.

With regard to their language skills, Yes.

[mabo]

Originally Posted by tvmonkey

With regard to their language skills, Yes.

You're a tough man to please.

[BradleyLove]

Originally Posted by tvmonkey

Ignorance is bliss on most peoples part then

So please define what VGA is..

Also, please define what one of those new fangled cards (those that produce pictures on computer screens) are called...

Of course graphics, in this context, should include such things as framerate and tearing. How many game reviews have a score for graphics? I have a feeling you're being somewhat of a pedant with your insistence in clinging on to the defintion of the word graphic.

With todays technology, consoles are capable of displaying anything that modern graphics can create (i.e. special effects on HD discs). Therefore, going by your definition any pre-rendered image could be considered as a contender.

Which is all well and good. But we're talking about games here, and graphics... computer graphics... are never judged solely on their static quality.

[CAS FAN]

Crikey, this thread has kind of flown off topic somewhat.

I guess it's still early days with the PS3. Motorstorm & RFoM looked great for launch titles and Heavenly Sword was another attractive game.

They are the only full PS3 games i've played so far, but the GT5p demo looked stunning, as did the Uncharted & Ratchet & Clank demos.

I'm sure we'll start to see developers producing some really amazing stuff on the PS3 as we go through 2008 and beyond.

[aidey6]

Motorstorm, COD4 in places too

[tvmonkey]

Originally Posted by Spank-A-Thon

So please define what VGA is..

Also, please define what one of those new fangled cards (those that produce pictures on computer screens) are called...

Of course graphics, in this context, should include such things as framerate and tearing. How many game reviews have a score for graphics? I have a feeling you're being somewhat of a pedant with your insistence in clinging on to the defintion of the word graphic.

With todays technology, consoles are capable of displaying anything that modern graphics can create (i.e. special effects on HD discs). Therefore, going by your definition any pre-rendered image could be considered as a contender.

Which is all well and good. But we're talking about games here, and graphics... computer graphics... are never judged solely on their static quality.

I was talking about the word and it's proper meaning. We can batter on about this all day if you want but i'm right, you're wrong. And if you notice i already gave my tuppance worth on what has the best graphics earlier in the thread.

Pedantry it may be, but it's still my opinion.

[nolive]

I'm surprised not to see more "votes" for FOLKLORE

I think it is graphically superb

second HAS to be GT5, I mean seriously, who can deny this game is equivalent to a racing broadcasting on our PS3s

[BradleyLove]

Originally Posted by tvmonkey

I was talking about the word and it's proper meaning. We can batter on about this all day if you want but i'm right, you're wrong. And if you notice i already gave my tuppance worth on what has the best graphics earlier in the thread.

Pedantry it may be, but it's still my opinion.

Wow, such arrogance too...

Anyway...

Whilst COD4 might possibly have the best graphics I've seen on PS3, I'd have to vote for Motorstorm. That blew me away when I first saw it whereas COD4 was more "expected".

Heavenly Sword might have pipped it, but the framerate and tearing really let it down for me.

[mightymaccers]

I think this is a very difficult question to answer as 'best' is very subjective - by best do you mean 'realistic'? If so then I think Gran Turismo Prologue wins this as it is pretty much photo realistic. However in my opinion art style and direction make up a huge part of graphics - for example I think the graphics on Viewtiful Joe (not sure if anyone here remembers this game) were superb but they were as far from 'realistic' as you can get.

With that in mind for me the best graphics I have seen so far on the PS3 is probably Uncharted. I see a lot of people mention Call of Duty - I think this looks superb but it lacks a certain 'sharpness' to the image. Does anyone else agree? This could be because the image is being upscaled to HD (although it clearly does a very good job).

[tvmonkey]

Originally Posted by Spank-A-Thon

Wow, such arrogance too... :

It's not arrogance, the English language (and all languages in fact) is structured for a reason and i didn't make up the rules i'm afraid.

I'm going to call you reasonable (but i've changed the meaning of the word arrogant to mean facetious because we can do that by your rules).

[CAS FAN]

Originally Posted by tvmonkey

It's not arrogance, the English language (and all languages in fact) is structured for a reason and i didn't make up the rules i'm afraid.

I'm going to call you reasonable (but i've changed the meaning of the word arrogant to mean facetious because we can do that by your rules).

The term graphics in this instance is a word that has become adopted in this context to cover the whole spectrum of the visuals we see in a video game. In other context graphics can refer to the imagery on a juice carton, the illustrations in a book, the vinyl detailing on a car, a painting etc. Words are adopted to fit certain circumstances, things and events in our language all the time as it would be silly to create a word for everything and often the full description of something then takes up numerous words.

The word graphics has long been associated with the wider context of everything relating to the imagery displayed by a video game. You will always find game reviews rating a game's graphics, or a game being referred to as having "good graphics". A review or a discussion of a game's in game animated visuals can go into more detail about them, but the term "graphics" is used as a summary word and has been for a good 20 years now.

If anything the piece of English which I don't agree with in the initial post is the term "next gen" as the current consoles can't possibly be the next generation of consoles as well. The word next means to come after so whilst it was apt to call the 360 & PS3 next generation consoles back in say 2004 to call them next generation now makes little sense. But anyway, that's by the by and we all know what the OP is getting at so the best thing is just to go with it and not fill up a thread with none related discussion.

[tvmonkey]

Originally Posted by CAS FAN

The term graphics in this instance is a word that has become adopted in this context to cover the whole spectrum of the visuals we see in a video game. In other context graphics can refer to the imagery on a juice carton, the illustrations in a book, the vinyl detailing on a car, a painting etc. Words are adopted to fit certain circumstances, things and events in our language all the time as it would be silly to create a word for everything and often the full description of something then takes up numerous words.

The word graphics has long been associated with the wider context of everything relating to the imagery displayed by a video game. You will always find game reviews rating a game's graphics, or a game being referred to as having "good graphics". A review or a discussion of a game's in game animated visuals can go into more detail about them, but the term "graphics" is used as a summary word and has been for a good 20 years now.

If anything the piece of English which I don't agree with in the initial post is the term "next gen" as the current consoles can't possibly be the next generation of consoles as well. The word next means to come after so whilst it was apt to call the 360 & PS3 next generation consoles back in say 2004 to call them next generation now makes little sense. But anyway, that's by the by and we all know what the OP is getting at so the best thing is just to go with it and not fill up a thread with none related discussion.

Strangely enough i'd been through all that myself a couple of pages ago.

[nofear01]

I think F1 is up there too....

The heat coming off the cars is unreal

[Wigandave]

Was quite enjoying this thread until all the bickering continued a couple pages too long...

On topic: Motorstorm looks great
Heavenly Sword looks great in places
Am I the only one that also thinks Virtua Tennis 3 looks spot on?

Vote for worst graphics: PES 2008 argh!!! Terrible.

Hopefully FFXIII will set a new benchmark in 2008.

And of course, the above is only my own opinion and interpretation of the OP. That's what keeps these forum interesting.

[paulesparks]

I think the thread title would get a bit silly if we had to list every visual aspect of a game in it.

edit - my vote for worst "graphics" also goes to pro evo.

[mabo]

Well i actually thought the debate as to what the term graphics refers to was very much on topic as surely we can't judge unless we know what it is we're judging.

However i think we can draw a line under the matter now as it seems most are in agreement that in the context of videogames, graphics is an all encompassing term that includes all aspects of visual presentation.

Oh, and my vote would be for Motorstorm. The fact that it's as smooth as silk at such speeds really makes it a joy to behold.

Heavenly Sword looks great but i think that the score helps it gain that epic feel. With the sound turned down, it all of a sudden doesn't seem so striking to me.

[Bojanglez]

For me it's Ratchet and Clank, looks flawless and so much going on all at once. I can't imagine how good the next Resistance is going to look on Insomniac's engine, as they reckon they are only getting started.

[Mark Hodgkinson]

I'd say Ratchet & Clank also, as others have said, faultless

Still don't really get what all the fuss is about with Motorstorm

[tvmonkey]

Originally Posted by mabo

Well i actually thought the debate as to what the term graphics refers to was very much on topic as surely we can't judge unless we know what it is we're judging.

However i think we can draw a line under the matter now as it seems most are in agreement that in the context of videogames, graphics is an all encompassing term that includes all aspects of visual presentation.

Oh, and my vote would be for Motorstorm. The fact that it's as smooth as silk at such speeds really makes it a joy to behold.

Heavenly Sword looks great but i think that the score helps it gain that epic feel. With the sound turned down, it all of a sudden doesn't seem so striking to me.

Agreed.

I haven't played a retail copy of Motorstorm (i played an advance copy before the PS3 launch at a Sony conference that had some frame rate issues) but from what i've seen it does look good and very fluid movement-wise.

I like the look of Heavenly sword in game (certainly some of the rendered backgrounds are very impressive) and the character animation is very fluid at times but i wasn't as impressed with the rendering on all the cut scenes and some of the dialog seemed out of sync to me.

I think FFXIII, MGS4, Silent Hill V and Resident Evil V will be really good indicators of what the PS3 will be capable of. Like with any new platform it'll take time before developers find their feet with it, and the PS3 is no exception to that rule.

[supahoops]

From a personal perspective in the context of this forum / discussion i would consider graphics to be be 'all encompassing' including issues such as tearing or frame rates.

Back on topic COD4, Uncharted and Ratchet are all very good, Motorstorm looks amazing if you just let the disc play through at the beginning where the camera pans around from what looks like a helicopter view, but for me Resistance with 40 odd players has no slowdown, tearing or framerate issues at all and still looks very good.

Oh and by far the worse looking game on the PS3 is NASCAR its unbelievable that the game even got released!!

[swisdom]

Motorstorm in first person mode is truly amazing

COD4 has some splendid graphics (especially Ghillied up!!)

These two stand out for me though Uncharted has been giving me wood for several months now - I can't wait for that

[Wigandave]

Originally Posted by supahoops

Oh and by far the worse looking game on the PS3 is NASCAR its unbelievable that the game even got released!!

Ooh, NASCAR, no ttried that. Special mention als oto the Blacksite demo. Looks absolute pants.

Always thought Resistance was a little underwhelming for graphics but must admit with 39 other players running around online shooting at each other and no frame/ tearing issues it really delivers!

[beowulf]

after finishing ratchet and clank and seeing the videos / demos that are some of the rewards ( and their shockingly bad frame rates ) and enjoying the dramatically improved final product , i'd have to say r&c as my best game of the year - certainly graphically

who needs pixar ?

the graphics are mind blowing - i only saw the tiniest bit of popup / redraw in the very ultimate distance , considering the amount of stuff going on , the breathtaking detail and the sheer artistry of the whole ensemble , perhaps i was nitpicking

overall - a truly landmark game imo , miles more fun than cod4 and that's saying a lot !!! :D

[Raoul_Duke]

From the current or soon to be released line-up?

Heavenly Sword, Ratchet & Clank, COD4, Assassins Creed or MGS4?

Or something else for that matter?

[Jay]

I would say Ratchet and Clank.

[markmitt]

At the moment, it has to be Uncharted. As stated elsewhere, this is the first title on PS3 that makes you wonder whether or not it could be achieved on the 360. R&C looks great, as does COD4, but for me, Uncharted is the complete package.

[deadlyledley]

I own Drake's Fortune and COD4 and have played the demo of Ratchet.
To me Drake's looks comfortably better than those two.

[Jack-Deth]

I'd agree that Uncharted is probably the best looking game, but Ratchet and Clank is a close 2nd as they graphics are still very good indeed, but there is so much going on on-screen and yet there is no slow down (I saw anyway!). For shame Orange Box!