[Max Payne]

Okay, Im hoping someone technically gifted can offer me some help with my DLP projector and trying to get it connected to a PS3 & HDDVD Player

Receive the HD Fury (Blue Edition) and trying to connect the following:

PS3/HD DVD PLAYER
HDMI
I
I
I (HDMI to DVI Male cable)
I
I
DVI
HD Fury
I
I
I
VGA

but....
No VGA input on Projector only has a DVI input (M1-DA)

So i tried:
VGA (Male) to DVI (M1-DA) cable supplied with Projector

Turn on computer and I end up with a good clear (high def) picture, but in GREEN. There is no fuzz or static, just everything is green


had a look at this again.

What is actually happening when the PS3 is connected and then the Projector is automatically scanning through the following:
Computer
DVI
Video
S-Video
Compoent i
Compoent p

Unfortunately it is then setting the" computer" setting and showing it the picture "green"

How can I fix it to display DVI? and will this elimate the green issue?

Help, much, much appreciated

[gazbarber]

2 easy solutions, see if the DVI port is HDCP ready in which case get a HDMI to DVI cable and your done.

Or get a VGA D-sub connector for M1-DA.

What model projector have you got?

Otherwise to get it working with what you have and i don't see why it shouldn't, the problem may be that the ps3 is not happy with the HD Fury's pretending that its HDCP compliant, one of the cables isn't working or the ps3 isn't setup correctly some how.

Do you have a hd tv with DVI to check that the ps3 is set properly and the cable is fine?

Do you have a pc monitor so you can make sure the signal is ok from the hd fury from the ps3, and that the vga cable is ok?

If the above is fine then the projector is refusing the signal for some reason, maybe the DVI on the M1-DA is digital only and won't accept an analouge signal via a simple converter 'block', there are quite a few different DVI standards but they often share an exact if not similar pin layout on the cable.

[Max Payne]

Thanks very much for your reply - help at this crazy time is much appreciated.

2 easy solutions, see if the DVI port is HDCP ready in which case get a HDMI to DVI cable and your done.
The Projector is not HDCP ready, and thats the reason I bought the HD Fury as I tried connecting a HDMI to DVi cable, but just got a black screen or error on the HDDVD player

Or get a VGA D-sub connector for M1-DA.
Have one ordered:

http://sewelldirect.com/images/produ...SW-2602_lg.jpg

What model projector have you got?
HP xb31
Inputs on unit:

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/sc/30208537-2-200-DT3.gif

Otherwise to get it working with what you have and i don't see why it shouldn't, the problem may be that the ps3 is not happy with the HD Fury's pretending that its HDCP compliant, one of the cables isn't working or the ps3 isn't setup correctly some how.
Its also the same on the HDDVD player, so Im presuming the problem is with the PJ

Do you have a hd tv with DVI to check that the ps3 is set properly and the cable is fine?
Have a Hitachi PD7200 Plasma and will check it on that to see if the cable is fine.

Do you have a pc monitor so you can make sure the signal is ok from the hd fury from the ps3, and that the vga cable is ok?
Will check that also

If the above is fine then the projector is refusing the signal for some reason, maybe the DVI on the M1-DA is digital only and won't accept an analouge signal via a simple converter 'block', there are quite a few different DVI standards but they often share an exact if not similar pin layout on the cable.
The M1-DA is analogue and digital, but when I am connecting the HD source, its showing the image in the "computer" setting and not the DVI setting, and I can't manually "tell it" to view through DVI - or can I?
I think the following has something to do with it?
DVI likely means DVI-D. The HDfury outputs RGBHV which your projector probably calls "Computer".

[gazbarber]

Try those to make sure the there is not a problem with the cables or the hd fury box, then i guess try a pc input into the projector, vga from the pc to the projector via the vga->dvi 'block' as you've pictured.

I've got my suspicions that the M1-DA when connected with a DVI input is Digital only so that the analouge pins will be ignored, and a M1-DA vga connector is required to connect an analouge signal. But thats only a guess if everything else works out.


Also a very simple thing to overlook make sure that the signal being provided isn't out of 'range' for the projector, i.e. not all projectors will accept a 1080p signal and might just take a tizzy and show a green or black screen. Most should be happy with a 720p one though, but don't go crazy spendng money on cables or anything as if the problem is with accepting a hd source then you've got no other option but to get a different projector.

P.S. I love your cinema room, thats something to aspire too, especial the sweety section :D

Edit: By projector central, which isn't exactly the source of all knowlegde, but is a good guide, your projector doesn't accept a 1080p singal http://www.projectorcentral.com/HP-xb31.htm under HDTV.

[Max Payne]

Many thanks for your reply Gaz - much appreciated!!!

Im aware that my projector doesn't accept 1080p, but it does accept 1080i and 720p, so it should take the signal from a HDMI to DVI source. (as it has, but shows it in green). The M1DA is actually dual (analogue and digital), but its also combine with USB of which I will try and explain below:

Update:
I was let down yesterday by the company that Im getting the convertor from, but Im assured that its in today and I collecting it later - Im hoping it will fix the problem and I think it actually might because I have been thinking more about the cable Im using:

The cable I received with the projector is really a computer cable and is as follows:
Its a combined lead which had a M1DA(DVI) and USB combined and is like this:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...XL._AA280_.jpg

As this projector was mainly to be used for presentations and has the USB part to connect to the pc USB socket so it can work with the PC for presentation page changes etc.

I am thinking that its the reason the PJ "thinks" a PC is being connected (when Im trying to connect from HDMI-DVI-VGA-DVI) and therefore connecting automatically at the "computer" input instead of the DII... its because its expecting combined VGA and USB signal to pass through?

As the convertor I am getting will allow me to not use the cable I received with the projector, then hopefully when connected the Projector will just think its getting a DVI connection and not be "confused" by the USB part.

Sorry for the ramble, but if this doesn't work today - Im pretty screwed and could end up being dual format with my Plasma instead of my PJ in my dedicated room, and that REALLY would annoy me.

[Max Payne]

Thanks for the comments on my cinema room, I am just waiting to get this muddle with the PJ and the HD DVD and Blu Ray resolved and then will update my pics as they are there from the "inprogress" stages, the room is painted properly again and finished off.
The sweety section is there, but instead of 7 jars there is only 4 and glasses into the middle - some intervention from the wife!

[gazbarber]

I had the same analouge cable with a dell projector that had a M1-DA port, it should work through that really especialy as your saying its automaticaly going through all the input ports.

All i can think is that the HD fury signal is different to the standard VGA expected, as i think CRT projectors send a different sort of singal over the same wire. But thats really reaching to be honest.

[Max Payne]

Thanks again.

I have been informed that "The HDfury outputs RGBHV which your projector probably calls "Computer".

****!

Went and checked the descriptions:
DVI-A
DVI-A (Analogue format) is just the RGBHV signal format using a different connector.

and

DVI-I
DVI-I (Integrated Analogue and Digital format) is capable of transmitting either a digital-to-digital signal or an analog-to-analog signal.

So I hvae DVI-I and if thats both analogue and digital capable, then it should be RCGHV but using a different connector - as outline above in bold



So, Im getting nervous again that maybe this won't work after all.

The wonderful world of AV eh?

I think I get more stressed at things like this than I do at work....

[Liam @ Prog AV]

Have you got the FUry on RGB mode rather than YUV mode (would invert the colours)?

Have you used an output resolution which your projector is able to understand?

Specifically one that it can understand via it's VGA input??? Some will only take 1024x768 with VGA....

[Max Payne]

HI Liam,

Thanks for the reply

Have you got the FUry on RGB mode rather than YUV mode (would invert the colours)?
I haven't changed anything on the Fury at all, I didn't even know you could? Will check it
Have you used an output resolution which your projector is able to understand?

Specifically one that it can understand via it's VGA input??? Some will only take 1024x768 with VGA....
Not sure what your question is? The projector automatically is choosing its output isn't it?(please excuse stupidity)

[Liam @ Prog AV]

If the Fury is anything like the (cheaper) version of the box we have. There is a switch, it says RGB or YUV, you want it to say RGB.

Output resolution - the VGA connector on the projector won't necessarilly understand the same signals the component or s-video input might. Your PS3 can do 480p/576p/720p/1080i/1080p but your M1/VGA terminal on the projector might only do VGA/XGA/SXGA. As a starting point put the PS3 into 480p mode as just about everything works with that.

[Max Payne]

I don't this there is a switch, I tried checking on line (as Im in work and can't look at fury in my hand), but I don't see that there is anywhere to change the settings.

Will check the PS3 at 480p mode to see if it works - the same on my HDA1 HD DVD player as that has a 480p setting also.

Think I messed up again and ordered the wrong connector:

http://217.196.254.2/cds/I201162.jpg

Sure it won't even fit in to this connection sure it wont?:

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/sc/30208537-2-200-DT3.gif

In frustration, Iam predicting I will drink 2 bottles of wine tonight

[Max Payne]

Damn!!

I think I need this instead:
http://www.ramelectronics.net/render...=200&padding=0

VGA to M1-DA adapter for Projectors from Infocus,Dell others.

[Liam @ Prog AV]

http://www.avtoad.co.uk/catalog/index.php?cPath=65_85

Take a look at the 3rd and 5th products (one is DVI and one HDMI). I'm pretty sure they're the same as the Fury but don't say Fury on the box and are cheaper!! Anyways, there is a switch. A typical green screen problem can come from sending YUV into an RGB input.

[binbag]

Sorry if I've missed this but why aren't you just keeping everything digital?

I'm on my third Infocus PJ and they love the M1-DA too! I've found with the right adaptors that they work with either VGA or DVI just fine but can be testy with multiple adaptors in the signal chain. On reading the OP my first thought was that your PJ was trying to display a YUV signal via its RGBHV input so I'd look at what Liam's said first.

It was exactly this sort of problem that pushed me to get a scaler and I've yet to regret the purchase.

[Liam @ Prog AV]

Hdcp....

[binbag]

Ahhh...

Another thing that's no feckin' use to anyone that we've all got to have.

[Max Payne]

Okay, my problems continue

I can't see to get a hd-a1 to vga (female) from anywhere.

Dell.com in the US sell them, but won't post to Ireland. Dell.ie don't do them and won't get them in for me from Dell.com. All the resellers links to the Dell site.

There are 2 other dealers in the states and one will ship to Ireland, but are asking for: $180.00 shipment cost for a $20 adapter!!!!! So I have asked for them to ship it in a padded envelope and how much would it cost......they havn't got back yet.

I found it somehere else in the US, but they haven't got back to me yet.

Anyone on here selling cables, know how to source one of these cables???Help much appreciated!

[nwgarratt]

Afaik, you can't go from digital to analogue (vga) using just a cable or adapter. It needs to be converted somewhere in between. The cable/adapter only works if the signal is analogue to start with.

[Max Payne]

Thanks, but is the HD Fury not doing that for me in my scenario?

[Max Payne]

[nwgarratt]

Originally Posted by Max Payne

Thanks, but is the HD Fury not doing that for me in my scenario?

After googling about it, it looks like it does.b I am not sure what you are talking about then in post 18. The HD Fury should work. Why do you need a adapter?

[Max Payne]

I need the adapter because the PJ I have doesn't have a VGA input - only the M1-DA. As the fury has a VGA connection on the end of it, I therefore need to connect it to a VGA TO m1-da lead into my PJ

[binbag]

I'd be looking at another projector at this point mate. After paying to go HD why ps it away on a compromised signal path? Also theres a lot more to a good picture than resolution and this will be something that a true HC PJ should deliver in spades over what you currently have.

If you buy S/H and sell the HD Fury and your current PJ it shouldn't cost you too much either.

[nwgarratt]

I didn't realise what PJ it is. Looking at the link on the previous page. It isn't even HD from what I can see. It is just HD compatible and it will be downscaled to 1024 x 768 resolution. I would get a proper HD one and even 720p such as the Optoma HD65 will be excellent.

[Max Payne]

Thanks for the comments, but it is actually HD Ready (720p and 1080i), it just isn't 1080p HD.

As for selling or getting rid of it, yes one day - when a 1080p comes down to a nice price and I have used up the rest of the bulb life on my current PJ. I even have 2 extra bulbs that I got "thrown" into the original deal from a mate of mine.

It would be shame to toss it aside as Im still getting a great picture and I have the added luxury of zero cost because of the extra bulbs. One day I will upgrade, but not at the mo.

I think I may have found another company that will ship an adapter for only 12 dollars, so it could cheaper than I thought.

[nwgarratt]

What is the model?

I was using this link from the last page - http://www.projectorcentral.com/HP-xb31.htm. That is not HD as the native resolution is 1024 x 768.

[Max Payne]

From the link you posted:
Compatibility:
HDTV: 1080i, 720p
EDTV/480p: Yes
SDTV/480i: Yes
Component Video: Yes
Video: Yes
Digital Input: M1-DA(P&D)
Computers: Yes
Display: Type:
1.8 cm DLP (1)
Color Wheel Segs: **
Color Wheel Speed: **
Native: 1024x768 Pixels
Maximum: 1280x1024 Pixels

[nwgarratt]

That just means it accepts 720p or 1080i (HD compatible) as input. The native resolution is 1024 x 768 which means that is resolution that is displayed on the screen. Anything higher or lower than 768 is upscaled or downscaled to 768.

Resolutions like that are usually data projectors rather than home cinema projectors which are 480p, 720p or 1080p. The picture is also 4:3 from the specs.

[gazbarber]

To be fair some cheaper DLP's on the market now should be quite a bit better.
For example mitz hc1100, optoma hd65 and hd70, although they are all £500 +, so i suppose the few quid cable should be given a chance.