[just wondering]

I was having a bit of a surf and spotted the SHARP XVZ21000 at laskeys.co.uk for 1499.99 , i did a quick search for reviews , projector central show the projector as costing $9999.99 back in june , with a quick google the price appears to be around £3999.99 on most other sites amazon , etc

i'm tempted

i sold my z4 recently for 425 and i still have the spare buld to sell and i have my sharps 3000 , so i might to stump up the difference and go 1080

[dj]

I would not dither too much over this, Laskeys will not have a great deal of stock and once they are gone they will not get any more (They are clearing stock).

Although waiting for the new Benq 1080p projectors maybe worthwhile, and it may put some additional price pressure on other manufacturers.

[Zag]

At under £1500 for a 1080P projector, that really is a steal. If you can get the XV21000 to fit your room and are not put off by the highish noise rating this is an amazing projector for the money.

You are essentially getting close to JVC HD-1 peformance for under £1500.

[just wondering]

i have to say i've been extremely pleased with my sharps 3000 , it seems like a no brainer , it just that some ppl say theres not that much of a difference from going 720 to 1080!!!!!

[dj]

You will notice the difference with a large screen front projector, whereas those people buying 40inch LCD screens with 1080p is a waste (Unless you are going to sit within a couple of feet of the screen).

My projector is 480p and I would like to upgrade, but will probably jump straight to 1080p rather that goto 720p (Although the price of the Optoma HD65 is very tempting, and a lot of the 1080p DLP projectors are longer throw).

[Flip_X]

Wow now that is cheap. I see that they've got rid of the 'free' BRay player offer that was £1999 and have reduced the price to £1499 instead.

Over on ProjectorReviews.com they compared the HD1 to the Z21k and found it to be VERY close on image quality. I bought the HD1 at £2.9k but only because the throw on the Z21k is massive and would have meant I'd have to settle for a rather tiny screen. If your room can support the Sharp then I'd say go for it.

[Event Horizon]

hi!!
it does look like a bit of a steal, i notice it doesnt support hdmi1.3a so no true colour. i know there arent any br disks that support this at the moment(to my knowledge). what sort of sacrifice is this going to be?
best regards
nick.

[just wondering]

Well based on my throw distance of around 11.50 foot , the screen size produced would be too small as i have a 8 foot width screen....so for the throw distance , thanks for pointing that out , i had assumed that based on the sharp 3000 , it would simply be a swap over and it would at the least produce the same sized picture.....but alas No.

i should of done my home work first....glad i did not impluse buy , but at least i would of been able to cancel the order.

[Avi]

Originally Posted by just wondering

I was having a bit of a surf and spotted the SHARP XVZ21000 at laskeys.co.uk for 1499.99 , i did a quick search for reviews , projector central show the projector as costing $9999.99 back in june , with a quick google the price appears to be around £3999.99 on most other sites amazon , etc

i'm tempted

i sold my z4 recently for 425 and i still have the spare buld to sell and i have my sharps 3000 , so i might to stump up the difference and go 1080

Are you or your familiy sensitive to RBE artefacts caused by the spinning colour wheel ? This is unique is single chip DLP PJ's and is worth checking before you committ.

AVI

[gandley]

In my opinion the sharp beats the HD1 in every department except for

1, Noise level.
It is noisey in low lamp mode(measued 59 DB c weighted 12 inches from exhaust port)and very loud in high lamp mode (measued 64db 12inches from the exhaust side). So one of the loudest PJs.

2, light output
in best mode it is not that great so screen size must be considered. In best mode on a small screen (85ins) you might get about 290 lumens(bigger screen lower lumens). in medium mode about 350 lumens but with lower contrast etc.
(JVC would be like around 500 lumens but at its very best mode which is excellent)

screan with gain is essential for the sharp more so if you go bigger than 85ins and up.

3, On/Off contrast.
best mode about 7000:1 (if your room will allow for that, ie no bat cave no 7000:1), so a little behind 15000:1 of the JVC.
The sharp kills the JVC in ansi contrast, 800:1 for the sharp and 300:1 for the JVC, but again unless you have a bat cave your room may not allow you to see any difference. white walls alone could drop ANSI CR down to 100:1.

4, As AVI said RBE ie the dreaded rainbow effect. maybe you will see it maybe you wont. be sure if you can tolerate DLP.

For the money its an amazing deal.

[just wondering]

Originally Posted by Avi

Are you or your familiy sensitive to RBE artefacts caused by the spinning colour wheel ? This is unique is single chip DLP PJ's and is worth checking before you committ.

AVI

no i'm good with RBE , i sometimes notice it on the sharps 3000 , but very rarely , i like dlp projectors, especially the silky blacks , its a shame about the 21000 , it was very tempting , shame about the throw distance

[Flip_X]

Originally Posted by gandley

1, Noise level.
It is noisey in low lamp mode(measued 59 DB c weighted 12 inches from exhaust port)and very loud in high lamp mode (measued 64db 12inches from the exhaust side). So one of the loudest PJs.

The HD1 is in low lamp is annoying to me. Sounds kinda like a cheap PC that uses naff quality fans. I bought it just before Christmas and I'm considering sending it back as its distracting. Its the one and only area where I think the JVC is poor.

edit: Sorry I misunderstood that you were talking about the Sharp. In that case no way would I ever touch that machine, it must sound aweful.

3, On/Off contrast.
best mode about 7000:1 (if your room will allow for that, ie no bat cave no 7000:1), so a little behind 15000:1 of the JVC.
The sharp kills the JVC in ansi contrast, 800:1 for the sharp and 300:1 for the JVC, but again unless you have a bat cave your room may not allow you to see any difference. white walls alone could drop ANSI CR down to 100:1.

Having seen a good few DLP's and having watching a film on the Yamaha DPX1300 I can definitely say that even the HD1 is noticeably in ANSI contrast. Its most noticeable on sceen with bright highlights and dark spots with shadow detail. The HD1 always washes and hides the shadow detail slightly compared to the DLP which retains its image solidity.

[Avi]

Originally Posted by Flip_X

Having seen a good few DLP's and having watching a film on the Yamaha DPX1300 I can definitely say that even the HD1 is noticeably in ANSI contrast. Its most noticeable on sceen with bright highlights and dark spots with shadow detail. The HD1 always washes and hides the shadow detail slightly compared to the DLP which retains its image solidity.

I ran my Sim2 HT380 and HD1 side by side. My perception of which PJ produced the "best" PQ would change on a scene by scene basis. As you mention in high APL (bright) scenes DLP performs better than DILA. However, in lower APL scenes the DILA performs better than DLP. What surprised me is just how much of the material I watch contains lower APL scenes. I'm not usually sensitive to RBE but some of the new DLP techs such as Unishape cause me to see it frequently. I found this issue more of a problem than any advantages the new tech delivered.

If the operational noise level is a consideration then most DLP machines I owned/demoed are noticeably louder.

AVI

[ukroadster]

Hi I currently have a sharp xv z200 576 PJ and am very tempted by this xvz21000 1080p pj.

I just have one concern i was hoping someone could help me with.

Although i have sky hd (limited content) and will no doubt be purchasing a HD and/or blueray player in the next year I still have a lrge dvd collection which wikll be my main siource for quite some time.

Now my Pioneer DV989 can output an upscaled 1080i output to the sharp but what would the picture quality be like ?

My current sharp pj is excellent when fed progresive 576p native res but its got a very poor deinterlacer and not very good scaling and im concerned that i would end up with a noisy, soft image on the xvz21000 with standard dvd whether i let the sharp upsc ale or the Pioneer.

Can anyone help please as i have checked the throw distance and im ready to buy but very concerned that my dvd collection will look worse on this 1080p pj comnpared to my current 576 pj.

Help please - all comments appreciated.

Regards

Andy

[jacko5]

Originally Posted by ukroadster

Hi I currently have a sharp xv z200 576 PJ and am very tempted by this xvz21000 1080p pj.

I just have one concern i was hoping someone could help me with.

Although i have sky hd (limited content) and will no doubt be purchasing a HD and/or blueray player in the next year I still have a lrge dvd collection which wikll be my main siource for quite some time.

Now my Pioneer DV989 can output an upscaled 1080i output to the sharp but what would the picture quality be like ?

My current sharp pj is excellent when fed progresive 576p native res but its got a very poor deinterlacer and not very good scaling and im concerned that i would end up with a noisy, soft image on the xvz21000 with standard dvd whether i let the sharp upsc ale or the Pioneer.

Can anyone help please as i have checked the throw distance and im ready to buy but very concerned that my dvd collection will look worse on this 1080p pj comnpared to my current 576 pj.

Help please - all comments appreciated.

Regards

Andy

I don't know about the pioneer player, but I can assure you that SD DVDs look excellent on the XV-Z21000 when upscaled on the Tosh XE-1 and Sony S300 players. Even by the standards of todays falling prices, the Z21000 is equivalent to a £4000 PJ.If it was me I would buy one and see what the scaling was like for myself and if necessary sell my existing player and upgrade as and when funds allow. I don't think enough people realise what a bargain this PJ is, notwithstanding the noise, throw and RBE issues. If you are ok with these, as I am, I would go for it.
Overall I prefer the Z21000 to the HD1. Brightness is a thing of personal preference ,but in high contrast mode on a 92" diag. white 1.0 gain screen, I am using an ND2 filter to reduce the brightness. I prefer film like images rather than plasma like images. The lamp has only done about 50 hours and later when the lamp dims I will remove the filter if necessary.

[ukroadster]

Thanks Jacko

I have one in 'my basket' on laskys site now and just doing dome fina investigations.

As my pj sits 14.5 feet from the screen its also one of a few pj's that will give me the correct screen size. Most (if not all the optomas) just dont give me the adjustment and throw distance i need.

Think ill have to take the plunge

[Drongo]

Originally Posted by Flip_X

edit: Sorry I misunderstood that you were talking about the Sharp. In that case no way would I ever touch that machine, it must sound aweful.

I bought my Sharp a few weeks ago, but as my property is being refurbished, I have not been able to install it yet. To test the PJ I took it to my friend’s house who has a Sony VPL-VW50 (Pearl) PJ, which I presumed would be substantially quieter due its lack of colour wheel. I believe the fan of the Sony is rated at 22dB i.e. very quiet.

My friend has his PJ mounted on a shelf only a few feet above the sofa that he uses for viewing, so any noise was going be readily apparent, after swapping his PJ for mine.

After setting up, I was surprised how little noise the Sharp made. Could I hear it? Yes, but only if I listened for it.

I was convinced that my friend wouldn’t be able to tolerate the noise of the Sharp, as he is accustomed to his own much quieter PJ, but he wasn’t even aware of any noise from the Sharp whilst watching film material.

Also, I have noticed that some PJ’s that are (on paper) quieter than others are, in fact, more annoying due to the ‘tone’ of the noise made be it a ‘drone’ or a ‘whir’.

The 'type' of noise made can have as much impact as the dB level of any fan noise.

I would be cautious about drawing any conclusions about how good or bad a PJ is in his respect solely from reading specifications.

As always, listen for yourself and decide if you can.

[Drongo]

Here are a few reviews of the Sharp (also known as the XV-Z20000 in the US) if it helps anyone decide:



http://www.projectorreviews.com/shar...0000/index.php


http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volum...07-part-1.html


http://www.ultimateavmag.com/videopr...s/107sharpdlp/

[Avi]

Originally Posted by Flip_X

edit: Sorry I misunderstood that you were talking about the Sharp. In that case no way would I ever touch that machine, it must sound aweful.

Noise level can be a very subjective thing. I've owned several PJ's and demoed many others. The Sony VW50 was pretty quite (not silent). My Sim2 HT380 is closer to the HD1 in high lamp mode. However, the Sharp (21k) and Optoma (HD80/81) products are amonst the loudest I've experienced. Usually noise level is not an issue for me but it was with these PJ's. If noise level is a priority I would defo take a listern before buying.

AVI

[ukroadster]

Hi
Can someone confirm the depth of the z21000 please.

One site quotes 19.5 inches and another 410mm(approx 16 inches).

It will be placed behind my head on a shelf and i have limited room without banging my head on it

My current pj is 13 inches deep and just ok.

I could probably accomaodate 16 but not 19 without a lot of problems and reorganising

[ukroadster]

Found them here - manual for anyone else considering

http://sharp-world.com/products/vide...000_eu1_en.pdf

Its just ove 16 inches in depth - still a big beastie.

[Flanners]

8.3m min distance to throw a picture on my 200cm screen!!! I am about 4m away from the screen in my dedicated room, I know this is my spare room but even so, what a huge throw distance if you live in the US or AUS no probs but in Blighty, thats a living room set up, crazy!

Now I remember why I have a Panny LCD with its short throw lens! Bugger looks a steal for the price!

[Avi]

Originally Posted by Flanners

8.3m min distance to throw a picture on my 200cm screen!!! I am about 4m away from the screen in my dedicated room, I know this is my spare room but even so, what a huge throw distance if you live in the US or AUS no probs but in Blighty, thats a living room set up, crazy!

From 8.3m you can throw 200"(inch) diag image. That would be around 14.5 feet wide !

With a 4m throw you could achieve an image just under 100" diag.

AVI

[stoke1975]

This talk of throw distances has got me worried.

My projector would be 14 feet fom the screen and I need a 7 foot image.

Thats ok isn't it?

Thanks

Neil

[sapper]

Originally Posted by stoke1975

This talk of throw distances has got me worried.

My projector would be 14 feet fom the screen and I need a 7 foot image.

Thats ok isn't it?

Thanks

Neil

Hi Neil,

This has be slightly concerned tooo.

I am looking at investing in a 1080 p projector, posibly the new Panasonic or the Mitsubishi 6000 as a friend can get them at trade prices.

But I am not sure that I yet follow the concept of the throw ratio /distance lark.

I am looking at a ~200cm x 114 cm screen (7 foot diag?), and my projector HAS TO BE MOUNTED on the rear wall at about 4.30 metres away (lens to screen).

Where can I find somewhere that will help expalin these terms please, and whether my plans are actually possible.

Adrian

[gandley]

use this to work out your throw distance

http://www.projectorcentral.com/Shar...ulator-pro.htm

[stoke1975]

I used the calculator and it appears fine.

What worries me is that so many people think it is an issue. It makes me think I do not understand the figures.

Are people trying to throw a much larger image from closer than my modest 7 foot width from 14 feet.

Thanks

Neil

[sapper]

Originally Posted by stoke1975

I used the calculator and it appears fine.

What worries me is that so many people think it is an issue. It makes me think I do not understand the figures.

Are people trying to throw a much larger image from closer than my modest 7 foot width from 14 feet.

Thanks

Neil

It seems to look that way Neil.

I just entered the two main contenders into that calculator, and both are within the green zone.

And as such, I assume I can zoom the picture onto the screen by adjusting the lens.

But being a flat screen person since Sept 02, I hqave never really been bothered till now to look into projector based systems.

Adrian

[gandley]

if you click in the zoom box on diagonal range, you can use that slider to see how the projectors zoom will fill your screen, without changing the PJs distance from screen.

[jacko5]

Originally Posted by stoke1975

I used the calculator and it appears fine.

What worries me is that so many people think it is an issue. It makes me think I do not understand the figures.

Are people trying to throw a much larger image from closer than my modest 7 foot width from 14 feet.

Thanks

Neil

Remember the throw distance is from the screen surface to the front surface of the lens. If you are using a pulldown screen in front of a window, like me, it will most likely be 6" from the wall to allow for curtains. The Z21000 is just over 16" deep. Add another 4" for clearance for cables and this takes 2' 2" off the length of the room. If you want to fill an 80" wide (92"diag screen) on maximum zoom, the throw distance is 12' 5". Add the 2' 2" means your room has to be a minimum of 14' 7" in this example. That is a bigger room than many of us have as a spare room, or even a lounge.
My lounge area is about 13ft. square, but being a through lounge I am able to accommodate the XV-Z21000 by encroaching into the dining area. If they were separate rooms I couldn't do it.