Sony Bravia projectors

[mainaman]

http://www.sony.co.uk/view/ShowProdu...nema+Projector

Old news since they were anounced months ago,but i haven't seen any specialized threads for them.In fact,i ordered VPL-AW15S,which claims up to 12000:1 contrast ratio!It comes with 80'' Sony screen apparently worth 300 pounds.

The shops already have them in stock,although Sony UK representative told me that they won't be out for a few more weeks!I do remember that they were supposed to hit the streets by the end of July...

So more contrast and brightness than HS60,1080/24p support and less fan noise?If it really betters the HS60,which still has the highest native and dynamic iris produced contrast of all LCD projectors incl.the frst generation FullHD models,i will wonder if it would be worth it to pay over twice as much for a 1080p unit.

Any concrete info?

[Import racer]

Hi i was looking into one one these for myself a month or two ago, and read a couple of reviews on line , and i was nt greatly impressed, it may have a great claimed contrast ratio, but its brightness that was measured was really poor around 400 or 500 lumens on a good day maybe less with settings high and no good in semi daylight , i think there was something else not quite right with it as well, screendoor effect maybe cant remember sorry ,
Think that i would stick with panasonic for the time being.
( I dont work for panasonic by the way )
I think the review was done by projector central , i found it by googling as its out in america
its a shame as it looks nice and its a good price

regards

[mainaman]

Originally Posted by stephen ball1

Hi i was looking into one one these for myself a month or two ago, and read a couple of reviews on line , and i was nt greatly impressed, it may have a great claimed contrast ratio, but its brightness that was measured was really poor around 400 or 500 lumens on a good day maybe less with settings high and no good in semi daylight , i think there was something else not quite right with it as well, screendoor effect maybe cant remember sorry ,
Think that i would stick with panasonic for the time being.
( I dont work for panasonic by the way )
I think the review was done by projector central , i found it by googling as its out in america
its a shame as it looks nice and its a good price

regards

Well,i just scanned the projectorcentral review,no contrast measurements and no concrete comparisons to other 720p units.

By their limited impressions i assume that AW15 is a natural successor to HS50 and HS60(i owned both)-great contrast,rich colours,low brightness and fan and picture noise and visible pixel grid.I prefer it to any of the light canon units i have seen(i owned TX200 too),just sit afar and watch in darkness-the Sonys have always demanded a dedicated home theater enviroment.And guys who really need 100'' screens do not buy entry level projectors.

[mainaman]

Just read the projectorreviews's,erm,review.Very detailed examination as always with their reviews,but still no contrast and black level measurements or comparisons with HS60-http://www.projectorreviews.com/sony/vpl-aw15/index.php

Interesting that they continue to slap the dynamic iris performance of the LCD projectors,although they don't mention finding a distracting iris work.

Overall,good impressions for enthusiasts with darkened rooms,smaller screens and preference for movies.

And it seems that the out of the box colours are much improved over HS60's.

[mainaman]

Another review-http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article.asp?section_id=59&article_id=2343&page_num ber=5&print_page=y

AW15(measurements by SAV)-post calibration,native contrast 828:1,with auto-iris 2-3833:1.

HS60(measurements by Cine4Home)-pre-calibration,11000:1;post-calibration,native 1250:1,dynamic 5000:1.

***!

However,SAV measured Sanyo Z5's contrast at 1241:1 with auto 2 lamp iris and lens iris -22,while C4H got 1600:1 or more(can't read German).

And another positive AW15 review-http://hometheatermag.com/frontprojhttp://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article.asp?section_id=59&article_id=2343&page_num ber=5&print_page=yectors/607sonyaw15/-measured calibrated contrast of 6070:1 and ANSI 250:1!The same site got 2567:1 and 162:1 from HS50,so it appears that AW15 should have better contrast than HS60.

Overall,reviews suggest:
-good or great contrast and black level
-good out-of-box colours
-calibrates well
-low picture noise
-good sharpness
-good image depth
-low fan noise
-great deinterlacing,scaling and 1080p/24 fps handling(to 720p and 48Hz)
-potentialy perfect pixel aligment
-great menus
-good motion handling
-visible pixel grid at less than 1.5 distance to screen
-low brightness
-potentially poor colour uniformity

[Import racer]

Hi i ve just read the review again as its on my hard drive, 240-536 lumens is what they claim in the reveiw , "ok as the contrast pulls it off"
"pixelation and screen door effect , the veiwer must sit quite far back to avoid seeing it" does say its a beautiful picture.

I bought the ptax 100 from a ptae700

very pleased so far

regards
good luck

[henry1234]

I've been thinking about one of these.

The screen door is due to a near perfect pixel alignment, which is good in my opinion. Just sit back from the screen over 1.5x (which you should anyway)

I'm attracted to the low noise, colour balance, good native contrast ratio, pixel alignment/sharpness and especially confirmed 1080p/24 > 720p/48.

I'd only view films at night so it seems just right for me.

Would it be suitable in a room that had no external light entering BUT had very light coloured walls?

[mainaman]

Originally Posted by henry1234

I've been thinking about one of these.

The screen door is due to a near perfect pixel alignment, which is good in my opinion. Just sit back from the screen over 1.5x (which you should anyway)

I'm attracted to the low noise, colour balance, good native contrast ratio, pixel alignment/sharpness and especially confirmed 1080p/24 > 720p/48.

I'd only view films at night so it seems just right for me.

Would it be suitable in a room that had no external light entering BUT had very light coloured walls?

I have white walls and white screen with 1.3 gain and judging by my experience with the lumens starved Cinezza models as long as you can prevent external light penetrations,you'd be fine.

I am still waiting for my unit and i while i worry most for CU and CR,i am curious if this 720p/48Hz thing will really improve PQ in the slightest.Yes,it is supposed to eliminate judder and probably even improve the sharpness a bit,but i have read only one report about it so far and it says no difference?!

[henry1234]

Originally Posted by mainaman

i am curious if this 720p/48Hz thing will really improve PQ in the slightest.Yes,it is supposed to eliminate judder and probably even improve the sharpness a bit,but i have read only one report about it so far and it says no difference?!

I don't think you would notice much actual picture quality improvement but it is a godsend if you find the 3:2 pulldown effect you get from watching film based (24fps) material at 60hz irritating. ANYONE would notice smoother panning and general flow, this becomes very apparent once you see how a film is supposed to be seen then go back to the jerky crap at 60hz. For some it may be harder to notice when first watching the smooth pan, BUT get used to smooth playback and you won't be able to accept 3:2 again.


The US have had a raw deal for years, which is why there are many good processors that convert 24fps material output at 60hz back to a multiple of 24 (48, 72, 96hz)

I cannot watch a film at 60hz the micro stutters as frames are irregularly repeated drives me nuts. I much prefer the pal 4% speed up as at least it's smooth. The 24fps ooutput is finally here so it would be crazy to get a projector that converted this back to 60hz using a cruddy inbuilt 3:2 pulldown processor

I sent my HD-DVD player back after watching 2 films at 60hz. I am waiting for the two new toshiba 1080p/24 players now (can't afford xe1, rather wait for the ep-30 than buy the ep-10)

[bolts]

Originally Posted by henry1234

I've been thinking about one of these.

The screen door is due to a near perfect pixel alignment, which is good in my opinion. Just sit back from the screen over 1.5x (which you should anyway)

I'm attracted to the low noise, colour balance, good native contrast ratio, pixel alignment/sharpness and especially confirmed 1080p/24 > 720p/48.

I'd only view films at night so it seems just right for me.

Would it be suitable in a room that had no external light entering BUT had very light coloured walls?

Hi
I have one of these and use it mostly at night on a 92" screen in a room with pale cream walls and find it very good. Viewing distance is about 12ft - 15ft so no problems.
great value for money!!

[mainaman]

Originally Posted by henry1234

I don't think you would notice much actual picture quality improvement but it is a godsend if you find the 3:2 pulldown effect you get from watching film based (24fps) material at 60hz irritating. ANYONE would notice smoother panning and general flow, this becomes very apparent once you see how a film is supposed to be seen then go back to the jerky crap at 60hz. For some it may be harder to notice when first watching the smooth pan, BUT get used to smooth playback and you won't be able to accept 3:2 again.


The US have had a raw deal for years, which is why there are many good processors that convert 24fps material output at 60hz back to a multiple of 24 (48, 72, 96hz)

I cannot watch a film at 60hz the micro stutters as frames are irregularly repeated drives me nuts. I much prefer the pal 4% speed up as at least it's smooth. The 24fps ooutput is finally here so it would be crazy to get a projector that converted this back to 60hz using a cruddy inbuilt 3:2 pulldown processor

I sent my HD-DVD player back after watching 2 films at 60hz. I am waiting for the two new toshiba 1080p/24 players now (can't afford xe1, rather wait for the ep-30 than buy the ep-10)

After firing up my first HD DVD an year ago,I noticed the pulldown straight away.Some NTSC watchers can't tolerate the PAL speed up,but aren't bothered by the 60 Hz judder.I am kinda used to it now,but i will be happy to see it gone.

Since now,i have always opted for the HD DVD versions of the Warner titles,but i shall probably revert to buying the Blu-Rays for the PS 3's 24fps output,which the A1 currently lacks.

[mainaman]

Originally Posted by bolts

Hi
I have one of these and use it mostly at night on a 92" screen in a room with pale cream walls and find it very good. Viewing distance is about 12ft - 15ft so no problems.
great value for money!!

Do you have the AW15 model?Does it have good colour uniformity?