[LoogieXX]

Most people seem to agree on that the HD1 is the one to go for.

However I haven't found any info on which HDMI revision this projector support.

Can someone enlighten me please ?.. Hopefully people aren't buying without knowing basic connectivity information.

It has two HDMI sockets - don't know what revision. These will work with my computer and the coming slew of HDDVD/blueray players. That's all I need to know.

Why did you ask? Is there a right and wrong answer? Paint me a picture of what might happen if they support the wrong revision.

[jacovn]

I ordered one and only know it supports HDMI 1.2

All people shouting it should have been 1.3 should first try to understand what 1.3 is, and what the real benifit of it is.

This projector has no speaker (i am guessing here), so advanced audio codecs goinig into it via bitstream seem quite useless.
The Gennum chip is at most 10 bit, so deep color information send there is not processed anyway. Further there are no consumer devices (yet) who support deep color. Perhaps a game console will support it, but it might take a long time until the general devices support deep color. (looking at the transition speed from SDTV to HDTV)

[GaryB]

This has already been covered in the main HD1 thread:

New DLA-RS1; JVCs new 1080 DiLA projector

[LoogieXX]

My point is that you are paying 4K£ for something that is using 2 year old technology.
JVC is tight lipped about the HDMI revision on it.. Why ?... To keep you in suspense or to avoid admitting you are buying old technology.

How many HDMI 1.3 players are out there ?.. 400.000 (PS3's) ?
So already your fancy new projector is running in compatibilty mode.
What about in 1 year ?.. It is just not your warranty that will run out then..

[linnite]

Originally Posted by LoogieXX

My point is that you are paying 4K£ for something that is using 2 year old technology.
JVC is tight lipped about the HDMI revision on it.. Why ?... To keep you in suspense or to avoid admitting you are buying old technology.

How many HDMI 1.3 players are out there ?.. 400.000 (PS3's) ?
So already your fancy new projector is running in compatibilty mode.
What about in 1 year ?.. It is just not your warranty that will run out then..

What do you suggest that everyone does? Stick with their old projector?

[LoogieXX]

Why not ?.. Force the manufacturer to get the job done properly

Ps every single graphic card manufactured at the moment with dual DVI and DHCP is unable to combine these two features... why ?.. Because people buy them rather than force the manufaturer to spend another 50 pence to get it right.

[GaryB]

Originally Posted by LoogieXX

JVC is tight lipped about the HDMI revision on it.. Why ?... To keep you in suspense or to avoid admitting you are buying old technology.

Did you ask them? If so, they would have told you.

[keep_it_legal]

I would rather buy a projector that costs £3500 now, that has HDMI 1.2 and looks like a pj that costs twice that amount. That, to me, is progress. Not features that won't be supported any time soon.

Originally Posted by LoogieXX

My point is that you are paying 4K£ for something that is using 2 year old technology.
JVC is tight lipped about the HDMI revision on it.. Why ?... To keep you in suspense or to avoid admitting you are buying old technology.

How many HDMI 1.3 players are out there ?.. 400.000 (PS3's) ?
So already your fancy new projector is running in compatibilty mode.
What about in 1 year ?.. It is just not your warranty that will run out then..

I couldn't give a toss about how old the technology is. Wheels are old technology and still in common use.

So the only bit about what you're saying that interests me is the JVC having issues playing images from a PS3. How will the picture be affected exactly?
Bit more science please and a bit less scare mongering.

[BartS]

Originally Posted by LoogieXX

My point is that you are paying 4K£ for something that is using 2 year old technology.
JVC is tight lipped about the HDMI revision on it.. Why ?... To keep you in suspense or to avoid admitting you are buying old technology.

How many HDMI 1.3 players are out there ?.. 400.000 (PS3's) ?
So already your fancy new projector is running in compatibilty mode.
What about in 1 year ?.. It is just not your warranty that will run out then..

tightlipped, not quite if you had actually made the effort and searched the forums it is well documented that V 1.2 is being used.
At the time of development of HD1, there the specs for 1.3 were not even finalised so it was impossible to incorporate this.

[jacovn]

Originally Posted by LoogieXX

How many HDMI 1.3 players are out there ?.. 400.000 (PS3's) ?

And what do they output ?
Dolby True-HD and video in 36 bit deep color mode ?

Please read some more on this subject before you complain.

[LoogieXX]

Originally Posted by BartS

tightlipped, not quite if you had actually made the effort and searched the forums it is well documented that V 1.2 is being used.
At the time of development of HD1, there the specs for 1.3 were not even finalised so it was impossible to incorporate this.

I'm sorry for not finding the information I was after.
However can you disprove my point about JVC being tighlipped, and find the HDMI information on a JVC web site.

PS3 is on sale and have HDMI 1.3. So I'm not sure about your point about it is impossible to incorporate the current HDMI standard.

[LoogieXX]

Press release from HDMI today

In 2007, we expect a rapid proliferation of devices with HDMI 1.3 features, such as Deep Color, new audio standards and the xvYCC color gamut. HDMI is continually evolving to meet the needs of the market

I'm glad I haven't pre ordered. Behind already on a product not even shipping yet.

[UrbanT]

Originally Posted by LoogieXX

Press release from HDMI today

In 2007, we expect a rapid proliferation of devices with HDMI 1.3 features, such as Deep Color, new audio standards and the xvYCC color gamut. HDMI is continually evolving to meet the needs of the market

I'm glad I haven't pre ordered. Behind already on a product not even shipping yet.

I'm surprised that anyone reading this forum would have such a view, as based on this logic you will never buy a new product.

Please, do let us know when you dip into your pocket, as I'm looking forward to seeng what you eventually buy

[VirusKiller]

Loogie. Say the HD1 shipped with 1.3. Then what? It's internal processing is still limited to 10-bit per colour which is the current state-of-the-art in consumer video processing. Cutting edge external processors such as the Crystalio II, RadianceXD, VantageHD are all 10-bit.

Further, even if there are v1.3 sources out there, every single one of the Deep Color modes is optional.

You need to go and see what the HD1 is capable of with the current technology. Several of us present on Wednesday night were asking just how much better the image could get.

[Avi]

Originally Posted by LoogieXX

Press release from HDMI today

In 2007, we expect a rapid proliferation of devices with HDMI 1.3 features, such as Deep Color, new audio standards and the xvYCC color gamut. HDMI is continually evolving to meet the needs of the market

I'm glad I haven't pre ordered. Behind already on a product not even shipping yet.

I don't see this as an issue. Only really of any benefit for movie fans when movies are encoded above 8 bit. Even then based on the recent Sony demo it was only noticeable very close to the display. Given this isn't even part of the DVD spec and the HD DVD/BD mess I would'nt hold your breath.

Maybe you should consider the new Sony VPL-WV50 (Pearl). Oh but wait that doesn't have HDMI 1.3 either.

The HD1 and Pearl are both very good PJ's but the HD1 has better PQ . I own a Pearl

AVI

[Isco 3]

I upgrade projectors every 9-12 months.
I need to upgrade today, so I do not care about the 1.3 issue.(what issue?)
If this projector today gives me a better image than my previous one, then I will buy one.
By the time my full system is capable for 1.3, I would have changed 3 projectors!!
To be honest, I would probably live in a bigger house

[LoogieXX]

Originally Posted by UrbanT

I'm surprised that anyone reading this forum would have such a view, as based on this logic you will never buy a new product.

Please, do let us know when you dip into your pocket, as I'm looking forward to seeng what you eventually buy

That's a good question. From what I hear about the quality... The JVC.. But I don't expect it to last many years because of (what I perceive of) slightly limited connectivity.
Maybe the Panny because it is cheap and it will hurt less upgrading in 3 years. Not the Sony because I don't want to spend the rest of my days sending it back for convergence issus.

I'm on the cutting edge in the PC world. And I get burnt every time. I have 3 generations of HDCP cards that doesn't have enough HDCP juice to drive my Dell monitor.

I also seem to be stuck with a Full 1080 HD video camera
- Full being1440x1080...

[UrbanT]

I think you hit the nail on the head. Whatever you buy is always going to surpassed, as technology is constantly moving forward. But, at some point, you have to stick your flag in the ground. The reason I chose the JVC, is that IMO it is a genuine step forward in performance at this price point, and therefore will age slower than most of its rivals.

That should mean I won't feel the need to change it say as quickly as the Panasonic or the Mits.

[mikeaitch]

Originally Posted by LoogieXX

I'm on the cutting edge in the PC world. And I get burnt every time. I have 3 generations of HDCP cards that doesn't have enough HDCP juice to drive my Dell monitor.

I also seem to be stuck with a Full 1080 HD video camera
- Full being1440x1080...

FYI, 1440 x 1080 is an anamorphic standard, using rectangular pixels to give the 16 x 9 pic. Software capture programs can covert this to full 1980 x 1080 res

IMO you worry a little too much about getting the latest widget. Deep colour processing didn't seem to impress too many people at CES.

Ive seen a few dvd players which put out a better picture on component vs HDMI too...

[hornydragon]

Originally Posted by LoogieXX

I'm on the cutting edge in the PC world.

Originally Posted by LoogieXX

And I get burnt every time. I have 3 generations of HDCP cards that doesn't have enough HDCP juice to drive my Dell monitor.

I also seem to be stuck with a Full 1080 HD video camera
- Full being1440x1080...

Not to rain on your parade but 2560x1440 is the new standard so best BIN that PS3 its outdated already too


I would stic to looking at PQ not spec sheets HDMI 1.1 is all you need in a video display infact DVi with HDCP is even better if it werent for hollywood and their copy right issues we wouldnt have this nonsense RGBHV i say..............all the way Analogue baby its like digital only infinite!!!!!

[LoogieXX]

Originally Posted by hornydragon

Not to rain on your parade but 2560x1440 is the new standard so best BIN that PS3 its outdated already too


I would stic to looking at PQ not spec sheets HDMI 1.1 is all you need in a video display infact DVi with HDCP is even better if it werent for hollywood and their copy right issues we wouldnt have this nonsense RGBHV i say..............all the way Analogue baby its like digital only infinite!!!!!

I got the Dell 2560x1600 screen. Doesn't play Blu-Ray because my native 100% full HDCP card isn't HDCP card enough...

[Nic Rhodes]

Still interested in what you think 1.3 would give over 1.2?

[LoogieXX]

Originally Posted by Nic Rhodes

Still interested in what you think 1.3 would give over 1.2?

the most compatible connectivity ?

[Nic Rhodes]

compatible with what?. You don't need the higher bandwidth not that the current 1.3 chip does what the spec is capable anyway!. Lip sink isn't being used here on projectors and deep colour is a pipedream at the moment for all the video disc formats and will probably stay that way. You will have the ability to pass raw DTS MA and TrueHD to the projector though with 1.3, not that most of our current players even need that! 1.3 is aimed at 'audio changes' and very high bandwidths neither of which seem relevant to this this or similar projectors.

[hornydragon]

Originally Posted by LoogieXX

the most compatible connectivity ?

nope the plug is the same and all still based on the DVi spec anyway (for video) whats actually far more relevant is the input formats that hve been enabled over HDMI not the number of the HDMI chipset