[Lizard]

I dont know about the rest of you, but i myself am just itiching to upgrade to the new crop of PJ's (not that i can afford to, but then this is the wrong hobbie for being wise with money! )
However, thankfully my prayers have been answered for a good reason to wait for the new crop of PJ's having just come from the scalers forum.
It would appear from what i can tell is that the DVD producers (Time Warner for one) are looking at encoding there DVD's in 1080p not 1080i and that manafuacters of players are keen to follow suit as it is easier to interlace a picture then deinterlace it, the DVD players should also be able to output the 1080p signal at 50 or 60hz as well.
Before i was under the impression that most of the material would be in 720p so the few times 1080i was down scaled i was happy to live with, however if the bulk of things could be in 1080p then this changes everything!!!!!!!!!!

[PJTX100]

You could spend your life waiting for the next greatest thing though.

I've held off for the last 2 years, holding off for another few years would equal about half a decade, and who knows what could happen in that time! (Bus over the top, meteor strike, catastrophic bodily failure.....)

When the new technology is introduced it may also be a bit pricey and it sounds as though we are going to need fairly beefy HCPC's to process 1080p too. For me, the time is right to act now, you can always get some of the value back by putting it up for sale when you do the upgrade thing, and think how many movies you could have watched by then.

Remember the formula:
Life enhancing gadget / Cost +/-1024(2) ^4 =Go for it!

[BadAss]

I think youll be saving for a long time. 1080p PJ are not cheap. £7000 anyone?

[Anim]

£6250 and dropping i've read (Ruby). I think the actual media will be longer than the display devices personally.

Also, SD material which is 99% of the market will look even worse at 1080p compared to 720p unless you have a dedicated scaler and then it might just look "as good".

Its still going to be a niche market as all the curent Hi-Def (720) displays have just come out and public demand for 1080 will be slow once it gets started.

I could be wrong tho :D

I think this time next year maybe a good time to hold off too.

Anim

[DEANO-B]

Originally Posted by Anim

I think the actual media will be longer than the display devices personally.

Also, SD material which is 99% of the market will look even worse at 1080p compared to 720p unless you have a dedicated scaler and then it might just look "as good".

Its still going to be a niche market as all the curent Hi-Def (720) displays have just come out and public demand for 1080 will be slow once it gets started.


Anim

I thought that Blu Ray supported 1080P, and the new game consoles support 1080P. Also 1080i picture s should be displayed better, and I cant see why 1080P PJs PQ will be worse than 720P PJs on DVDs??

[Anim]

HD-DVD and Blu-Ray are just DVD's that can compact (based on the lazer used) more data onto them, so yes, 1080p films will fit on them as long as they are less than 30/50MB in size.

Upscaling current dvd's to 720 degrades the pic, upscaling to 1080p degrades it more as there is more non-data to add. Upscaling just makes the pic the native res of the projector, it doesn't add detail that isn't there, it can only guess.

Dedicated Scalers are good at doing this because of all the post processing going on but this type of scaling wont be built into the projectors as they will expect native res input.

I thought the PS3/360 consoles were all 720p/1080i too, maybe im wrong.

Anim

[mickey]

Originally Posted by Anim

HD-DVD and Blu-Ray are just DVD's that can compact (based on the lazer used) more data onto them, so yes, 1080p films will fit on them as long as they are less than 30/50MB in size.

Upscaling current dvd's to 720 degrades the pic, upscaling to 1080p degrades it more as there is more non-data to add. Upscaling just makes the pic the native res of the projector, it doesn't add detail that isn't there, it can only guess.

Dedicated Scalers are good at doing this because of all the post processing going on but this type of scaling wont be built into the projectors as they will expect native res input.

I thought the PS3/360 consoles were all 720p/1080i too, maybe im wrong.

Anim

Hi, Ive not got any films that are 30/50mb never mind hidef ones

[DEANO-B]

Originally Posted by Anim

HD-DVD and Blu-Ray are just DVD's that can compact (based on the lazer used) more data onto them, so yes, 1080p films will fit on them as long as they are less than 30/50MB in size.

Upscaling current dvd's to 720 degrades the pic, upscaling to 1080p degrades it more as there is more non-data to add. Upscaling just makes the pic the native res of the projector, it doesn't add detail that isn't there, it can only guess.

Dedicated Scalers are good at doing this because of all the post processing going on but this type of scaling wont be built into the projectors as they will expect native res input.

I thought the PS3/360 consoles were all 720p/1080i too, maybe im wrong.

Anim

Upscaling DVDs from their native 576 lines (UK) or 480 lines (PAL) does not degrade the picture if used in conjuction with a HTPC correctly. Yes technically a 1:1 pixel mapped projected image of the DVD to a PJ with the same resolution as the DVD would be correct - but when blowing a picture up to silly sizes (which we do with PJs) the visable pixel stucture and screen door effect come into play. I can assure you sitting say 10 feet back watching a 7 foot wide picture on a PJ with the same resolution as the DVD source would look nowhere near as good as a 720P PJ setup with a HTPC, and for the same reason a 1080P PJ would look even better. Also don't forgot there are already a load of 1080i films out there at around 20 GB. There are quite a lot of 1080i titles already out (I have 25 or so) and a few true 1080P films have been sent out by studios for testing on BluRay like (Charlies Angels FF (I know, I know)) look at the list of some films below :-
Updated list of HD titles :
http://www.homecinema-fr.com/forum/v...php?t=29769511

"Translation".

[MikeD]

I don't see how an HTPC upscaling and adding information that isn't originally there can improve on the native display.
Having said that I haven't experienced it either.

[Jeff]

DVD upscaled to 1080p by a Lumagen HDP looks fantastic, 720p isn't ideal because it's not high enough to avoid scaleing errors.

[DEANO-B]

Originally Posted by MikeD

I don't see how an HTPC upscaling and adding information that isn't originally there can improve on the native display.
Having said that I haven't experienced it either.

The problem is about having a resolution on a PJ that is the same as a DVD (576 lines), it makes the pixel structure and screendoor easily visable on a large screen. The higher the PJ resolution e.g. 720P or 1080P the less pixelated or jaggy the PQ will be with less screendoor if used in conjuction with a PC that will (to a certain extent) eliminate the low resolution in the same way a scaler does, which is to manipulate the image by smoothing out the jaggy edges for example. The HTPC is not adding information and I suppose its all smoke and mirrors but it works very well. It is hard to explain but if you see a PJ with a native 480P display (there are many about) with a NTSC film (also 480P) on a large screen it looks blocky (Pleeease dont tell me it doesn't because it does ) simply because the human eye can easily see the native resolution of a standard defination PJ or DVD when the image is 7 foot wide when viewed at 10 foot back.

[Anim]

Originally Posted by DEANO-B

Upscaling DVDs from their native 576 lines (UK) or 480 lines (PAL) does not degrade the picture if used in conjuction with a HTPC correctly. Yes technically a 1:1 pixel mapped projected image of the DVD to a PJ with the same resolution as the DVD would be correct - but when blowing a picture up to silly sizes (which we do with PJs) the visable pixel stucture and screen door effect come into play. I can assure you sitting say 10 feet back watching a 7 foot wide picture on a PJ with the same resolution as the DVD source would look nowhere near as good as a 720P PJ setup with a HTPC, and for the same reason a 1080P PJ would look even better. Also don't forgot there are already a load of 1080i films out there at around 20 GB. There are quite a lot of 1080i titles already out (I have 25 or so) and a few true 1080P films have been sent out by studios for testing on BluRay like (Charlies Angels FF (I know, I know)) look at the list of some films below :-
Updated list of HD titles :
http://www.homecinema-fr.com/forum/v...php?t=29769511

"Translation".

I pretty much agree with all that. Its the fact that we need a HCPC or a scaler to get the best from this equipment and it isn't buil't into the projector.

720/1080i films will be the next flood so 1080p will be a niche market. Otherwise the industry loses so much money and damages consumer confidence (the average joe who bought his new HD plasma won't be happy to find its one level down).

[Anim]

Originally Posted by Jeff

DVD upscaled to 1080p by a Lumagen HDP looks fantastic, 720p isn't ideal because it's not high enough to avoid scaleing errors.

I have to see that