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Old 09-01-2006, 8:55 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Demo of Z4 vs TX200 - review

Hello all Had a visit to 'Roy Jowetts' aka 'Bens place' on Friday to view the Z4 and the TX200 with 'Fallwood' and 'Just Wondering' and met 'UKRoadster' there, with the intention of 'Fallwood' and 'Just Wondering' buying a new PJ (and they did!).

First of all many thanks (again) to Bens usual patience and profesional manner throughout of demo, and I can highly recommend his place for peace of mind and competitive rates on all things electrical.

First of all let me just state that both of these PJs are better than my Panny 700 as they offer a more vibrant and vivid picure - by how much better ?? well not a huge amount, but enough to make them clearly better !

The TX200 was the first PJ to be demoed and Ben had his favourite HD demo 'Lingerie Superbowl' on when we arrived. It looked good, very good. There was a definate improvement over my 700 I could see straight away, it has a very punchy, and vibrant picture, which seemed very even across to the edges, the colours were also excellent and strong without being overally saturated. We then tried 'Weavers Island' an Imax demo and 'Paying Mantis'. I did notice on the 'Praying Matis' demo (A HD film I had seen recenlty on my 700) the image did look only as sharp (maybe a little softer) than on my PJ at home. We discussed that fact it may be down to my PC at home VS Bens PC in the shop and carried on. We put on 'Star Wars 5' and we impressed again with the overall PQ but I was concerned it may not be as sharp as my 700. The Hitachi really was good and excelled in its ability to create a warm, vibrant PQ without loosing any depth or detail.

The Sanyo Z4 was next to be viewed with the same demos (except Bens fav 'Lingerie Superbowl' ). So after 5 minutes worth of setting the PJ to 'Rones' standards (without which the PQ would have been miles off) we put 'Weavers Island' on. 'Wow - thats a hell of a lot shaper' were the comments, so much so that we had to turn down the shapness. The colours looked spot on, and it seemed to provide a very similar picture to the TX200, so much so it is very, very hard to differentiate to two. We did notice though that the Hitacthi did seem to offer a better response to the lighter end of the picture range. The best way I can explain this is that on one of the demos there is a shot of the ocean with the sun glistening off it. The TX200 seemed to sparkle a bit more and the PQ did look better on the scences with more light in them - it just appeared a little more was coming back from the picture on the TX200 on these scenes. I don't know whether Z4 can be tweaked to get a similar performance, (god knows theres enough settings to play around with) but it seems that this is the TX200s strong point.

Both have negligable visable pixel structure/screendoor or VB.

Both PJs are very similar in performance, and both competitivley priced, but I do think each one has its strong point:-

The Z4 has a super sharp image and a million config options.
The TX200 has a natural ability to recreate scences with light better.

Overall though both are winners (which if you know me I never say). It is hard to choose between them as they are very similar in performance. I usually view PJs and say one is the clear winner - but not today!

Myself personally for what it's worth (which isn't much ) I'd go for the sharpness of the Z4 but would be happy with either.

Just a quick note to end with though as I've been down to 'Fallwoods' to check out the Z4 in action. The scaler in the Z4 is pretty bad - it makes things a little soft. The Gamecube is shaper on my 700 than his Z4. The blacks I would say are a little better maybe on the Z4 (although I've never complained about the 700s blacks).

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Old 09-01-2006, 9:20 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Interesting comment and one that seem to concur with other peoples views that there is only subtle differences between the D5 LCD projectors.

I wonder if the Sony HS60 would provide the necessary increase in picture quality for people like yourself to consider an upgrade from the last generation of LCD'S.

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Old 09-01-2006, 9:25 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Both have great PQ but I think my next upgrade will be a 1080 PJ. I think that they will be the next real jump in PQ performane. Hopefully this time next year
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Old 09-01-2006, 10:15 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Basically what deano said, I have found that rhones settings are a bit dark for me and after turning up the brightness considerably the shadow detail became a lot better. I think one of the main points in favour of the Z4 is that its so damn configurable , you can tweak it to suit your personal taste right down to altering individual skin tones through the colour management tool .

I think the tx200 will appeal more to people who want a plug and play unit that needs minimal setup to acheive a good picture, Z4 on the other hand looks quite poor out of the box and requires a good half hour using rhones settings as a starting point to get it something like, once youve eventually got it tweaked to your liking I think it surpasses the tx in all areas.

The scaler is not actually as bad as I expected it to be , it is quite soft but doesnt seem to introduce any noise to the image and no interlace comb effect that I could see , gamecube over progressive component looks excellent but games that need to run in interlaced mode do look a touch soft for my liking. As most things I view are either over HDMI or proggressive component the scaler is not of importance to me , people using sky feeds etc over an interlaced input may be dissapointed with the picture.

Come on justwondering, add you opinions.
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Old 09-01-2006, 10:37 PM   #5 (permalink)
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just been watchin some hi-def videos using my xbox 360 and the picture is fantastic .

I'd be interested to know any settings you guys choose.
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Old 10-01-2006, 12:04 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Here are my current settings , these are based on a htpc with ati 9600xt connected via hdmi, If you are using any other connection then you will probably get different results. My settings are basically the same as RHones with just a few tweaks to my personal taste , therefore all credit goes to Rhone as he took the time to supply these settings.

First start in living preset

Brightness +10
Contrast +6
Color -4
Tint 0
Color temp low 1
Red +10
Green -1
Blue -8
sharpness +4
Lamp control economy/low
Gamma -1
Lens iris -30
Lamp iris Auto
auto black stretch off
contrast enhancement off
transient improvement off
Gain R +2
Gain G +3
Gain B -5
Offset R -15
Offset G -13
Offset B -6
Gamma R 0
Gamma G 0
Gamma B 0
Hdmi setup L2

You will then need to adjust skin tones using the color management.

Once finished dont forget to store your settings.

On my setup these settings look pretty close to perfect .
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Old 10-01-2006, 8:49 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Glad you like the Z4 guys, It's a tweakers paradise the Z4. It's one of the problems tho, once you start tweaking you cant stop as you will suddenly (mid dvd) say "just one sec" as you pause then delve into the menu's and adjust something while the other half just stares at you!

Deano, I know what you mean about waiting for 1080p, myself..im waiting for a DLP without rainbows for under 2K then I will jump ship faster than you can say "3D" lol. Damn that 4805!
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Old 10-01-2006, 9:48 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Good review Deano.
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Excellent review Deano. It's funny. My natural reaction is to think that i'll aim for the Tx200 as my next PJ but to be honest. I'm quite happy with my TX100 (this has never ever happened before) so I can see me sticking to it for quite some time which is great so i'll be able to pickup a TX200 quite cheap second hand in a year or twos time.

I would also say that's it's worth getting a colour correction filter for your PJ's. Mine made a huge difference to my image.
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oooh new toy? coloour filllllter...hmmmmm donuts

More info for me to pls
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thanks for all the valuable info guys, this Z4 tweeking malarkey makes my head spin!

It seems as if a lot of you guys use the Radeon 9600 for your HTPC's, is there a specific version to go for? (I'm using a Shuttle PC)

I won't be playing games (that's what consoles are for!) but mainly watching lovely HD movies! It's just after watching a few hi-def demos via my xbox360 the difference is immense to normal DVD's
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I find the sapphire cards to be pretty good on both price and performance , I originaly had a sapphire 9600se 128mb but found that some high rate HD material suffered from the occasional judder, upgraded to a sapphire 9600xt 256mb and everything runs fine now. One thing to consider is that the se is fanless so therefore quieter , xt version has a fan so will make your shuttle slightly more noisy.
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Thanks for that Deano. Good review. I also found ROne's settings too dark for my taste, so opened the iris to -20. Might give Fallwood's tweaked version a spin tonight.

A question. Given the quality level of the new D5 LCD crop, what price do you think 720p DLP would have to have come down to before you would have considered it as an alternative to LCD?

Personally, I couldn't have one if they gave them away cos they give me bad eyestrain, but I'd be interested to hear what you folks think. I just can't believe DLP is still dominating the HC market.
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good stuff fella's thanks for taking the time out to post your findings.

from what im hearing about the TX200 i think i will upgrade in the next month or so it sounds awesome and a bigger upgrade from the TX100 than i expected. should be able to get a decent 2nd hand price on my TX100 and then add a few hundred to get it.

i knew reading up on the TX200 would be my downfall i promised myself i wasnt going to do it oh well damage already done
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