[guido]

Anyone else have this problem with Vogels mounts? I can't seem to tighten it enough to stop the projector moving. Doesnt hold my 4805 rigid enough. It just has the two security allen key bolts. These seem to slip when tightened. Is this just my mount or common problem?

Thx.

EDIT: forgot to say, its an EPC4010.. and need it to be tight cos its on my DIY Projector Lift!!! Will post details of lift when completely finished!

[Zag]

I've got the same mount for the HS60 and had to get the C of G right otherwise it would move around. The ball joint didn't look easy to tighten so I just centred the PJ under the mount. Might be possible though to tighten the nut and bolt to stiffen the joint. Give that a go and see what happens.

I have the same problem with mine. As already said, it seams as though you have to get your PJ balanced so that it just 'hangs' in the correct position.
I have to say I was very disapointed to find that the whole assembly did not lock in place once positioned, I thought that was the whole point of a mount.
Unless there is some way of doing this and I simply missed it during my excitement and impatience to fire up the PJ
Any advice appreciated.

Cheers, Beastie.

[PJTX100]

Originally Posted by Beastie Boy

I have to say I was very disapointed to find that the whole assembly did not lock in place once positioned,

I'd be amazed if you couldn't lock it, as you say that's the whole point.

[Sporran]

there is defo no lock feature on the swivel part. Its just a plastic disk that is pulled in to the assembly but a nut and this tension is what holds it. Maybe you can tighten it, i did think of that but knowing my luck will go too far and the disk with either break or pull in damaging it.

But i let mine settle and thanked god, the lens shift on the hs50 is great

[cwick]

Same problem here using a vogel wall mount (PPW100), there's just no way to lock the projector in position once it's all setup. Huge pain for me because the xbox isn't wired in, I just plug it in when I use it. With this Vogel mount, I have to spend another 5 minutes lining it all up again 'cos the PJ will invariably move a little when plugging things in no matter how careful I am. I've tried tightening the ball joint, which helps (adds a little resistance to the movement), but it's by no means locked-down.

Most disappointed with this Vogels mount - I figured with such a large range of PJ mounts etc, they'd know what they're doing. That doesn't seem to be the case.

Cheers, Carl.

[PJTX100]

Well, consider myself amazed.

What's the point of an adjustable mount if you can't lock it?! Nearly bought one of these myself before going down the DIY route. Glad I didn't.

[moosie]

..... but it was possible to tighten. Mines almost locked I have it that tight. Far as I can remember I had to take the mount apart to tighten.

[guido]

Well... took PJ down... and took apart to tighten ball joint allen bolt. It wasn;t that tight especially with weight of projector. Squared it all up then tightened it down good.

Also when took it apart noticed that the thumb-button bolts tighten against the inside of the tube in an ANTI-CLOCKWISE direction!! Doh! This was probably in instructions somewhere(?).

Anyway its back up now and much much better! The way I have my setup I need the projector completely level and straight... so put a bullseye bubble on the base and levelled it to that.

Maybe the mount isn't so bad... I bought it for the looks mostly

[ani4ani]

These lock totally fully - when i first installed mine had the same impression, read the manual fully and it describes how to lock completely..nothing to do with balance either. Just wind the allen screws and it locks fully.

[martian1]

you have to have projector balanced right and tighten bolts in correct direction anti-clockwise

I have got one of these mounts take a look.they are not expensive and you can get them off ebay.

[ectoplasm]

So am I correct in assuming that once the bolts are tightened correctly the Vogels mount is as solid as any other?

This is a big concern for me as the ceiling in my room is low and the projector will be within reach of accidental hand knocking/head bashing.

[guido]

Originally Posted by ectoplasm

So am I correct in assuming that once the bolts are tightened correctly the Vogels mount is as solid as any other?

This is a big concern for me as the ceiling in my room is low and the projector will be within reach of accidental hand knocking/head bashing.

It does lock when tightened in the right direction.. however in my experience its not completely rigid. Even if it moves 1mm then this could show as a 5-10mm move at the screen end... i.e. I'd avoid knocking it! If its any kind of single point adjustable mount as opposed to a three point fixed design it will probably be prone to moving slightly if knocked.

If you have a low ceiling what you need is a projector lift

[ectoplasm]

Originally Posted by guido

If you have a low ceiling what you need is a projector lift

Cheers, any links to a good selection?

[guido]

Originally Posted by ectoplasm

Cheers, any links to a good selection?

Sorry, it was a bit of a tongue in cheek reply cos I built my own lift to solve my problem .... home PJ lifts are few and far between and cost the earth and dont look too good I'm afraid. If you want an even lower profile mount than the short vogels (Vogels is about about 10-11cm).. then maybe a DIY mount would be good... fairly easy to make.. lots of people here have made their own... have a search on the site.

Originally Posted by Zag

I've got the same mount for the HS60 and had to get the C of G right otherwise it would move around. The ball joint didn't look easy to tighten so I just centred the PJ under the mount. Might be possible though to tighten the nut and bolt to stiffen the joint. Give that a go and see what happens.

I've just got a HS60, did you ever get this thing to lock? Must confess maybe its my lack of an engineering degree (or even more likely intelligence!) but I am really struggling to make the projector hang solidly. If I screw the nuts anti clockwise, the loosen, not tighten - is that correct someone?!?

cheers
Drew

[Kalos Geros]

I'm really not bothered with my IKEA wall-mount - it swings left and right when I connect or disconnect cables or operate the DVD player front buttons (since it's also mounted together with the PJ) but somehow it always re-centres itself unless swung with intention out of original direction...in that case I just correct it and it never fails...

haileris, the mount will tighten. Yes, the 2 silver screws should be turned anti-clockwise. This forces the tapered heads into the holes on the stem, thus centreing them and holding their position.
Out of the box, the moving portion of the mount is not tight enough to hold the PJ steady. Use a spanner to tighten the bolt that runs vertically through the centre of the mount and you should be OK.

Cheers, Beastie.

[Russell.Williams]

The two anti clockwise tightening bolts in the stem are to lock the quick release system only. It is a security measure to prevent the PJ from being accidentally released from the ceiling.

To tighten the mount and prevent projector swivelling, demount the PJ from the spider legs (can't think of a better description) and look up inside the mount. You will see a single bolt. This is the bolt that tightens the friction plate. This can tighten quite a lot - don't be scared.

My 7205 does not move at all, or rather it takes a lot of force to do it.

Russell

[birdseed]

I need to resurrect this thread as Im struggling to get this mount working. Im on my second now as the first was returned as vogels believed it wasnt tightening as they maybe had a bad batch.
Im not so sure as this one is exactly the same as the old one.

Vogels PPC 200 - Universal projector ceiling mount (max 20kg)

The two bolts that you undo counterclockwise do not lock anything. As you untighten them they eventually come out of their sockets.

Ive tried tightening the centre bolt at the top of the mount but that doesnt make any difference.

Help

[JamesBaby]

Hi.
I have the same mount mate. When I insert the plate section (shown in the picture) into the tube I am able to unscrew the 2 bolts so that the heads of the bolts come out and press into the holes (through which i am inserting the allen key) and thus the assemble stays in the tube.

There can only be 2 explanations i think. The first is that quite simply the tube in which you are inserting the assembly has too larger a diameter or is deformed at the point where the bolts should prodtrude into. Thus the bolts just reach the end of their threads and pop out before engaging. However, this is unlikely and would be readily visible. Do you have any pictures of the tube?

Secondly, If you have a look at your picture, is it just me or are the 2 vertical metal pieces in which the bolts reside bending inwards?. This might be another reason why your bolt heads don't reach the tube holes before inserting in the tube correctly. But then again, looking at the length of the bolts in comparison to the edge of the black ring there is plenty of length in the thread to enable them to prodtrude into a tube.

I try and post some picture of mine.

[JamesBaby]

Here are some pictures of how it should be. (or at least how mine is)

Note the width of the tube lines up with the black ring and is the same diameter. Your screws should be plenty long enough to unscrew without popping out of the thread.

[birdseed]

Thats maybe the problem, the screws arent long enough. That should be visible in the photo below.
They are only 16mm long including the domed head, 12m of thread only. The centre rectangular block is 25mm wide and the internal diameter of the grey tube is 55mm. So without threading the screws,the domed heads just touch the tube.

The grey tube is the correct diameter for the black plastic bit.

But Im still confused, is the screw heads the only thing stopping the projector falling down? If so, theyve simply included the wrong size of screws.

Thanks for taking the effort to take the pics, much appreciated.

[JamesBaby]

Just to check something that I was unclear about from what you said.

Can you confirm that you are leaving the bolts "in" the threads "before" inserting the plate assembly into the tube?. You know that you are not to take the bolts out right?

Thus you then "unscrew" the bolts (whilst holding the projector and plate assembly) after having lined them up with the holes.

The reason why I ask is that from your new pictures it looks like the screws are long enough.

If you are doing the above then it is probable that its just a case of the bolts not being the correct length.

[birdseed]

I can confirm I am leaving the bolts in the threads prior to inserting in the tube.

The bolts arent long enough to stay in the threads AND touch the inner part of the tube.


Can you explain how the tube actually stays attached? Is it just the domed screws that hold it together or is it some other mechanism? ( Obviously not present on my mount)

[JamesBaby]

Hi

Yes the tube stays attached by the heads of the screws. They protrude into the holes forming a tight connection. No need to overtighten. Just enough so that the heads properly insert themselves into the holes.

Check the packaging to see if you have any other bolts if not already done so. Check to see if any of the bolts that are to be used for fixing the plate to the projector haven't been inadvertantly switched. Failing that I'd call the retailer or Vogels and get them to send you some bolts.

You could go to B&Q but they are special security type allen key bolts. The special allen key should have come with the mount too. The allen key has a hole in it. The screws have an allen key type hole but with a "pin" sticking out in the middle. This means that no one can remove the projector by using a standard allen key.

[birdseed]

So just to clarify then, the domed heads of the screws are the ONLY thing keeping the projector from falling down?

Youre saying there isnt, as was suggested by the vogels technician, any clever spring mechanism below the screws?

[crowleyp]

The screws themselves are spring loaded - I found the easiest thing was to unscrew both screws equally so that they won't fit in the tube. Then squeeze them both in, so that the spring is compressed and slid into the tube as you release them. Then wiggle up the tube until both screw heads find the hole - and 'pop' they both release and engage.

So yes, the screw heads hold the projector.

You can see mine here: Planar PD7010 bargin?

[JamesBaby]

"Spring Loaded" ??. I do not recall any spring tension in mine at all. Just a metal bracket in which they screw and unscrew.

But in answer to the OP, yes, once unscrewed the bolts hold the projector up. It would take more than 20k to sheer the bolts vertically so don't worry. Just make sure you get the Vogal bolts is suppose to ensure quality.

Let us know how you get on.