[kbfern]

If you buy a projector at list or anything close to RRP you have no chance of loosing a few hundred pounds (or $) unless you buy it at the end of line when the price has been seriously discounted be prepared to take a considerable hit.

You are better buying and keeping for 3yrs at least or until the next major hike in performance levels (720p to 1080p or 1080p to 4K) that way you at least get some value from your purchase.

If you can afford it fine but most folks don't have £7k (in the case of a X7) to drop on a pj every 12-18 months and see a £3k+ depreciation which has only had very light use.

[JonStatt]

Originally Posted by Rich H

That sounds a bit daunting.

Unfortunately kbfern is correct. The depreciation is alarming on the higher models and you certainly could not upgrade for $500. I only wish that were possible. But I have always understood well, that home electronics can have a depreciation approaching 50% in the first year...generally the more expensive the item is, the more it depreciates proportionally. This applies to cars too. I am not talking absolute drop, but proportional value drop. The largest BMWs and Mercedes wipe out a much higher percentrage drop in the first year than a Vauxhall Corsa.

Unless there is a must have feature you cannot be without, you are always better waiting at least 2 years between models rather than one. The slope-off is much less after the first year so your investment/return model is substantially better.

[HAWK-EYE]

X90 Dark Knight scene.

[JonStatt]

Originally Posted by HAWK-EYE

X90 Dark Knight scene.

image

Hmm....its not very good is it! I guess you should think about upgrading

[Rich H]

Originally Posted by JonStatt

Unfortunately kbfern is correct. The depreciation is alarming on the higher models and you certainly could not upgrade for $500. I only wish that were possible. But I have always understood well, that home electronics can have a depreciation approaching 50% in the first year...generally the more expensive the item is, the more it depreciates proportionally. This applies to cars too. I am not talking absolute drop, but proportional value drop. The largest BMWs and Mercedes wipe out a much higher percentrage drop in the first year than a Vauxhall Corsa.

Unless there is a must have feature you cannot be without, you are always better waiting at least 2 years between models rather than one. The slope-off is much less after the first year so your investment/return model is substantially better.

Hmmm...I'm starting to think I may have blown it. I was going to wait one more year (which would likely also bring a physical overhaul of the JVC as well)...but got itchy trigger fingers. I've been so happy with my RS20 it could have kept me happy another year easily. I'm still in conflict about my upgrade. Live and learn....

[JonStatt]

Originally Posted by Rich H

Hmmm...I'm starting to think I may have blown it. I was going to wait one more year (which would likely also bring a physical overhaul of the JVC as well)...but got itchy trigger fingers. I've been so happy with my RS20 it could have kept me happy another year easily. I'm still in conflict about my upgrade. Live and learn....

Yes I can see from your posts. I had the HD950 (RS25) before, and I saw a significant jump when I went to the X7, let alone the X70 with its e-shift. So I know you are not as convinced as I was, but I don't think you blew it!

[KelvinS1965]

Haven't been on in a while, but glad to see you sold your's Jon. Better get that ad removed pronto incase the mods don't like it being sold elsewhere while advertised on here.

Seeing the prices of the recently sold X30 and some older X3s makes me think I'm better off spending money on other things (not necessarily AV I'm afraid ) then looking into a used X30/70 this time next year. If JVC bring out some 'killer feature' such as 4K native or perhaps LED light source then the used values of existing models will drop even harder than the X3s seem to have done lately. TBH anyone with a HD1 onwards in a reasonably well setup room isn't exactly sluming it in image quality terms, so it's not such a big hardship to wait a bit longer really IMHO.

I can never understand the guys over on AVS that change every year and claim it's similar cost to buying a new lamp for their existing PJ...They must be getting really good deal on preorder (I know the RS45 was a very low price from AVS for example) but they must be offloading them on Ebay or somewhere so their use price looks good value. If it was common knowledge what they'd paid for them new then they'd be in the same boat as we are: I once lost £700 on a 3 month old Panasonic projector, but it serves me right for not buying a JVC instead and for not demoing it first.

Belated Happy New Year Guys.

[Steve Stifler]

Hi
I'm interested in an X-30. Problem is I cannot use a ceiling mount due to the sloping ceiling, and the sofa is on the back wall of a smallish room, so the PJ needs to sit above the seating position.

Is there a bracket or shelf that will enable me to mount it on the wall? I've looked in DIY stores and their shelves are too narrow, as the X30 is about 471mm long. I could make one from thick MDF, which I did in a previous home, and source some substantial brackets.

Having been unable to find a manual online, I'm unsure about cooling/air flow, and whether the PJ can be mounted very close to the backwall, or if a gap is needed for intake/expelled air.

Great if somebody can answers these questions from me.

[Donnacha]

B-Tech do wall mounts for projectors. I am in a similar position with a sloping ceiling so I went for one of their mounts. You can see it in my signature below. It was around £80, has a universal mounting plate and holds upto 15kg. Not sure what weight the JVC is but be surprised if its heavier than that?

[Steve Stifler]

Donnacha
Like your room. The mount looks far better than the shelf.
Thanks

[RICKYJ]

Originally Posted by Steve Stifler

Hi
I'm interested in an X-30. Problem is I cannot use a ceiling mount due to the sloping ceiling, and the sofa is on the back wall of a smallish room, so the PJ needs to sit above the seating position.

Is there a bracket or shelf that will enable me to mount it on the wall? I've looked in DIY stores and their shelves are too narrow, as the X30 is about 471mm long. I could make one from thick MDF, which I did in a previous home, and source some substantial brackets.

Having been unable to find a manual online, I'm unsure about cooling/air flow, and whether the PJ can be mounted very close to the backwall, or if a gap is needed for intake/expelled air.

Great if somebody can answers these questions from me.

The intakes are on the back, as are the hdmi ports etc.

Originally Posted by Donnacha

B-Tech do wall mounts for projectors. I am in a similar position with a sloping ceiling so I went for one of their mounts. You can see it in my signature below. It was around £80, has a universal mounting plate and holds upto 15kg. Not sure what weight the JVC is but be surprised if its heavier than that?

Projector weight 14.9kg according to specs

[JonStatt]

Originally Posted by RICKYJ

The intakes are on the back, as are the hdmi ports etc.



Projector weight 14.9kg according to specs

The intakes are angled on the back though. My understanding is you don't need any more rear clearance than enough for the power cable and hdmi cable. You can get right angled versions of these that minimise the rear extension.

The X70/X90 weigh an additional 0.5 kg....For any of these projectors, don't compromise on the mount. These are seriously big and heavy beasts. We don't want reports of projectors coming down from the ceiling!

[RICKYJ]

Originally Posted by JonStatt

The intakes are angled on the back though. My understanding is you don't need any more rear clearance than enough for the power cable and hdmi cable. You can get right angled versions of these that minimise the rear extension.

The X70/X90 weigh an additional 0.5 kg....For any of these projectors, don't compromise on the mount. These are seriously big and heavy beasts. We don't want reports of projectors coming down from the ceiling!

Page 22 of the manual suggests a min 200mm from a wall at the rear

[JonStatt]

Originally Posted by RICKYJ

Page 22 of the manual suggests a min 200mm from a wall at the rear

It does, but I remember this coming up last year, and somebody said that it was over cautious and not neccessary. Certainly from a "physics" standpoint, I fail to see what even 1cm gives you. The intakes are actually on the sides towards the rear but not physically coverable by the rear wall. It will draw the same amount of cool air in no matter how close to the wall it is. I call foul with this requirement, just like the one that says in the manual you can get screen-burn on these JVC projectors when nobody has ever, ever, managed that with a JVC LCoS since the HD1.

[Ideal AV]

Originally Posted by JonStatt

I have now managed to sell it outside of the forums. I am going to remove my advertisement now. It would have been nice to sell it through here, but if any others are struggling to sell their projectors, I suggest selling through broader channels.

So you didn`t need my services afterall Jon

thats great news and I hope the new owner enjoys it

Allan

[JonStatt]

Originally Posted by Ideal AV

So you didn`t need my services afterall Jon

thats great news and I hope the new owner enjoys it

Allan

Hi Allan,

Thanks again for offering to help. I really do appreciate it. I was just about to call you up again to take your help when it sold

I hope the new owner is happy too!

[RICKYJ]

Phil's review of X70 is up now here: http://www.avforums.com/review/JVC-x...or-Review.html

[Ideal AV]

and a really good one it is too

[GaryB]

A software update is now available for the DLA-X30, DLA-X70 and DLA-X90 (and all equivalent DLA-RS models). You can get it from here:

JVC Projector Firmware Download

This update also includes the new LAN Updater software. There is a list of the fixes and changes included in the update at the top of the page that I've linked to above. You can use the previous USB Updater if you can't use or don't want to use the LAN Updater.

I'd like to thank JonStatt for reporting some of the issues fixed in this update and also for helping with the testing of this new version.

Also available now is the calibration software for the DLA-X90/SLA-RS65. This is available from:

JVC Projector Calibration Software Download

We'll mirror both updates on the UK site later today.

EDIT: Updated download link as Japan have changed the URL.

[chienmetallique]

Interesting that JVC propose to use a Spyder 3 pro/elite on its flagship £10K projector for calibration, thoughts?

[Nostageek]

Howdy good people!

I've gone through every page of the thread (phew!) but aside from one mention of Steve playing Uncharted 3 I haven't seen anyone really talk about games.

Before the X30 started popping out I was thinking about getting the Panny AE7000 and I'm still a little concerned about all those 3D reports for the JVC. But even then I have tons of 2D content and just a scant few in 3D (Avatar, and some recent animated movies) so it's not as big a deal to me as great 2D perf, which the JVC has.

That said, I'm a big gamer and I plan to have my PS3 and 360 hooked up to the PJ and will play a lot of games on it. So if there is a ghosting problem that may be an issue for me.
Steve didn't seem to have any problem on Uncharted but is anyone else here a gamer that could give an account of their experience?


PS: just as a side note I plan to do: everything->AVR->PJ. Right now I have a Denon 4810CI but as you know it doesn't do 3D so I was debating grabbing a Pioneer Elite SC57 instead.

[fight4yu]

Originally Posted by GaryB

A software update is now available for the DLA-X30, DLA-X70 and DLA-X90 (and all equivalent DLA-RS models). You can get it from here:

JVC Projector Firmware Download

This update also includes the new LAN Updater software. There is a list of the fixes and changes included in the update at the top of the page that I've linked to above. You can use the previous USB Updater if you can't use or don't want to use the LAN Updater.

I'd like to thank JonStatt for reporting some of the issues fixed in this update and also for helping with the testing of this new version.

Also available now is the calibration software for the DLA-X90/SLA-RS65. This is available from:

JVC Projector Calibration Software Download

We'll mirror both updates on the UK site later today.

Gary, do we need a cross-over LAN cable, or just a regular patch cable will do when connect from PC to PJ?
BTW, it seems like connceting the PJ to router should also work??

What is the previous USB adapter you mention??

[erezg123]

Originally Posted by Nostageek

Howdy good people!

I've gone through every page of the thread (phew!) but aside from one mention of Steve playing Uncharted 3 I haven't seen anyone really talk about games.

Before the X30 started popping out I was thinking about getting the Panny AE7000 and I'm still a little concerned about all those 3D reports for the JVC. But even then I have tons of 2D content and just a scant few in 3D (Avatar, and some recent animated movies) so it's not as big a deal to me as great 2D perf, which the JVC has.

That said, I'm a big gamer and I plan to have my PS3 and 360 hooked up to the PJ and will play a lot of games on it. So if there is a ghosting problem that may be an issue for me.
Steve didn't seem to have any problem on Uncharted but is anyone else here a gamer that could give an account of their experience?


PS: just as a side note I plan to do: everything->AVR->PJ. Right now I have a Denon 4810CI but as you know it doesn't do 3D so I was debating grabbing a Pioneer Elite SC57 instead.

Nostageek - the good news is that the ghosting is not so bad on gaming....

However, the bad news....the X30 has an 80ms lag time, meaning that anything other than casual gaming (and particularly FPS or timing-based games) are a pointless experience.

[Wiggins]

Hi all, slightly off-topic this perhaps but here goes!
I currently own an old (at least in AV terms) JVC HD1 projector that has served me well since I got it at launch. As ever though, I've currently got the upgrade bug, and am desperate for a newer 3D model. At the moment, I'm pretty sure it's got to be the X70. But my main problem is what the hell do I do with my old projector?
The last time I upgraded to the HD1 from an Infocus that I grew to hate and was glad to get rid of (although I did so at a terrible loss) I sold it to a CEX shop.
What do you guys generally do when upgrading though? I'm considering trying to sell it privately, but I've no idea what I can reasonably expect to get. FYI it has approx nearly 400 hours on the lamp currently in. It also unfortunately has a slight pinkish tinge to the extreme right middle area of the image that developed when I moved house and I assume happened during transit. I've nearly irradicated it through the colour shift calibration controls but it is still visible to those who notice such things.
Alternatively, are there any retailers who take older projectors in part-exchange against newer models?
By the way, I live near Doncaster, South Yorkshire.
Any advice and ideas would be greatly appreciated. It's getting silly now- I've stopped watching any films that I consider would be "better" on the newer projector. I've got a terrible back-log of films to get through!

[kbfern]

Best trying to sell on the forum classifieds, depending on the hours and if this pink tinge is noticeable expect around £500.

No one takes px as far as I know.

[Ideal AV]

We are only 20 mins away and would take a px

Allan

[Wiggins]

Cheers for the replies guys. And Allan from Ideal AV in particular. I've seen you on these forums quite a bit, but I'd no idea you were as close as Normanton! Not far away at all for me. Excellent news. I shall get in touch through your website. That's made my weekend!

[Ideal AV]

Originally Posted by Wiggins

Cheers for the replies guys. And Allan from Ideal AV in particular. I've seen you on these forums quite a bit, but I'd no idea you were as close as Normanton! Not far away at all for me. Excellent news. I shall get in touch through your website. That's made my weekend!

Your very welcome to come along for a demo when it suits you

if you want to bring your HD1 so you can compare the two pj's that's ok

Allan

[Mr Blu]

Part ex is not uncommon. My X70 is my 3rd PJ. I traded in my HW10 for a VW85 before that for LITERALLY no depreciation. I was made a pretty good offer for the VW85 prior to getting the X70, but decided to keep it as a spare.

[GaryB]

Originally Posted by fight4yu

Gary, do we need a cross-over LAN cable, or just a regular patch cable will do when connect from PC to PJ?
BTW, it seems like connceting the PJ to router should also work??

What is the previous USB adapter you mention??

A regular patch cable will do. As part of testing, I've tried it direct and also I've tried updating two projectors connected at the same time via a 4 port Hub. All worked fine, so I'm pretty sure connecting via a normal home Router would too.

The USB Updater is the one included with the X3/X7/X9 updates for last year's models. You can install that and just use the Updater with the software from the X30/X70/X90.