[100949football]

Really looking for Chris Frost here as he did warn me about possible issue.
I have HDFury1 with five bnc's going to Lumagen Vision Pro Scaler.
Sony S360 Blu Ray player HDMI to the HDFury.
On playing Blu Ray film picture fine BUT only occupies around 9/10's of the screenwidth.
On playing normal DVD film only occupies around 6/10's of the screen.... picture otherwise perfect!

Any ideas my friend?

[Tom.W]

NTSC or PAL ?

[Tom.W]

Sounds like a scaler issue. Certainly not the Fury or projector.

[100949football]

Originally Posted by Tom.W

NTSC or PAL ?

Pal

[Chris Frost]

Hi Tom,
If it's a 1st gen Fury playing PAL 50Hz material then there's a well documented problem with the porch timings that causes this picture offset. NTSC is fine, hence why Blu-ray is OK because most discs play at 60Hz.

It was fixed in the 2nd gen product.



Bill,
It's a bit of a juggling act, but you can try using the Lumagen's picture shift controls along with the phase control on the Seleco. But you're going to have to do a couple of things first before playing with those controls.

First, you need the Lumagen to treat PAL, NTSC and Blu-ray as individual signals with independent output memories. The Vision Pro supports two memories per input, so you're probably going to have to use a different player for DVDs and keep the BR player just for BR discs. Here's a starter guide to what you want...

• 576i for PAL R2 mapping to a 50Hz output at 720p or 768p for the Seleco
• 480i (NTSC R1 film) mapping to 71.92Hz at 720p or 768p for the Seleco
• 480i (NTSC R1 video) mapping to 59.94Hz at 720p or 768p for the Seleco
• 1080i* (Blu-ray) mapping to 71.92Hz at 720p or 768p for the Seleco

* check what the maximum input resolution the Vision Pro supports. It might do 1080p/24 over analogue

You also need to be aware that the Vision Pro will only support higher refresh rate & resolution combinations on the letterboxed aspect ratios. So 720p @ 71.92Hz might only work on the 2.35 AR. You need to do some reading of the manual, the Lumagen forum, AV Science and AV Forums if you're not already up to speed on this. Oh, and remember to save your settings after making changes

Next, make sure you have first set the Lumagen input size correctly first using the TOPL and BTMR controls so that there are no gaps around the Blu-ray player picture. fills source scanning window: MENU > IN > ADJ > SIZE > (TOPL, BTMR, SIZE, POS). You need to do this for Blu-ray, and for PAL, and for NTSC.

[100949football]

Originally Posted by Chris Frost

Hi Tom,
If it's a 1st gen Fury playing PAL 50Hz material then there's a well documented problem with the porch timings that causes this picture offset. NTSC is fine, hence why Blu-ray is OK because most discs play at 60Hz.

It was fixed in the 2nd gen product.



Bill,
It's a bit of a juggling act, but you can try using the Lumagen's picture shift controls along with the phase control on the Seleco. But you're going to have to do a couple of things first before playing with those controls.

First, you need the Lumagen to treat PAL, NTSC and Blu-ray as individual signals with independent output memories. The Vision Pro supports two memories per input, so you're probably going to have to use a different player for DVDs and keep the BR player just for BR discs. Here's a starter guide to what you want...

• 576i for PAL R2 mapping to a 50Hz output at 720p or 768p for the Seleco
• 480i (NTSC R1 film) mapping to 71.92Hz at 720p or 768p for the Seleco
• 480i (NTSC R1 video) mapping to 59.94Hz at 720p or 768p for the Seleco
• 1080i* (Blu-ray) mapping to 71.92Hz at 720p or 768p for the Seleco

* check what the maximum input resolution the Vision Pro supports. It might do 1080p/24 over analogue

You also need to be aware that the Vision Pro will only support higher refresh rate & resolution combinations on the letterboxed aspect ratios. So 720p @ 71.92Hz might only work on the 2.35 AR. You need to do some reading of the manual, the Lumagen forum, AV Science and AV Forums if you're not already up to speed on this. Oh, and remember to save your settings after making changes

Next, make sure you have first set the Lumagen input size correctly first using the TOPL and BTMR controls so that there are no gaps around the Blu-ray player picture. fills source scanning window: MENU > IN > ADJ > SIZE > (TOPL, BTMR, SIZE, POS). You need to do this for Blu-ray, and for PAL, and for NTSC.

Oh Christ!


So many many thanks Chris, I just knew you were the man!

Would it solve ALL of these problems if I searched for a HDFury11?
I have a Philips 963sa already set up for ordinary DVD and that works perfectly but obviously the problem is with the Blu Ray.

Another thing I should point out.
The five bnc's are connected to the HDFury via vga male connected to female / female VGA gender changer - this cable is 1.5 metres long????? is that too long a cable?

Many many thanks once more - wisdom is a wonderful thing, but ONLY if you know it!

regards and best wishes, Bill

Thanks also Tom for your interest.

[Chris Frost]

If the cable was too long or there was a problem with the connectors and adapters I'd expect either a softened image or some picture break up. It's not going to change the porch timing.

All reports I've read suggest that the Fury II solves the problem of the image offset. One bit of advice I hope you'll heed this time (): Do get the additional power supply.

Even after getting the Fury II, you should still have the scaler outputting specific resolutions and refresh rates for each source signal. It does make a difference.

Regards

Chris

edit - clarification

[100949football]

Originally Posted by Chris Frost

If the cable was too long or there was a problem with the connectors and adapters I'd expect either a softened image or some picture break up. It's not going to change the porch timing.

All reports I've read suggest that the Fury II solves the problem of the image offset. One bit of advice I hope you'll heed this time (): Do get the additional power supply.

Even after getting the Fury II, you should still have the scaler outputting specific resolutions and refresh rates for each source signal. It does make a difference.

Regards

Chris

edit - clarification

Consider myself suitably "chastised" re "heeding your advice".....I'm just a miserable Scot trying to do on the cheap and it usually NEVER works out!
I already have the power supply for the Fury1.......not using it.......is THAT worth a try?
Gonna search for the Fury11 methinks.

Regards Bill

[Chris Frost]

Just have a look on the Fury homepage to see if the PSU is suitable. I tend to use a differnt solution for HDMI conversion so can't really advise further on that.

Edit:

I already have the power supply for the Fury1.......not using it.......is THAT worth a try?

Just realised, your question could be interpreted in a couple of ways. If you mean will the PSU fix the offset problem, then the answer is no. It's the settings in the Fury I firmware that aren't correct.


You should use a PSU with the Fury II though. HDMI sockets do have a voltage that can be used to power stuff, but an external power supply is definitely the better option.

[Pulse1]

Just to let you know the Image shift function was only fixed for component and not RGB in version 2 of the HD fury. You will need to get the new version 3 HD Fury which uses a slider at the side of it for use with RGB. I tried the version 2 when i had my Seleco 800 Millennium CRT and sent it back and stuck with version 1. If it were me i would just get version 3 and be done with it Bill, that way your also maximizing the controls/Porch settings in your Lumagen as well mate Just to let you know as well Bill the porch settings are easy to work out in the Lumagen just don't store any you change until you get the hang of which one shifts what

[100949football]

Originally Posted by Pulse1

Just to let you know the Image shift function was only fixed for component and not RGB in version 2 of the HD fury. You will need to get the new version 3 HD Fury which uses a slider at the side of it for use with RGB. I tried the version 2 when i had my Seleco 800 Millennium CRT and sent it back and stuck with version 1. If it were me i would just get version 3 and be done with it Bill, that way your also maximizing the controls/Porch settings in your Lumagen as well mate Just to let you know as well Bill the porch settings are easy to work out in the Lumagen just don't store any you change until you get the hang of which one shifts what

Thanks Brian, I appreciate that!

Best wishes, Bill

[Roland @ B4]

Originally Posted by Pulse1

don't store any you change until you get the hang of which one shifts what

Oh yes, been there

"There you go Mr customer all done!"

AND

" You did what!"

[Pulse1]

Originally Posted by Roland @ B4

Oh yes, been there

"There you go Mr customer all done!"

AND

" You did what!"

Roland, sometimes it's easier and quicker to muck things up than get it right Then the panic finger kicks in and where's the door

[100949football]

Originally Posted by Pulse1

Just to let you know the Image shift function was only fixed for component and not RGB in version 2 of the HD fury. You will need to get the new version 3 HD Fury which uses a slider at the side of it for use with RGB. I tried the version 2 when i had my Seleco 800 Millennium CRT and sent it back and stuck with version 1. If it were me i would just get version 3 and be done with it Bill, that way your also maximizing the controls/Porch settings in your Lumagen as well mate Just to let you know as well Bill the porch settings are easy to work out in the Lumagen just don't store any you change until you get the hang of which one shifts what

By the way Pulse1 / Chris Frost which are the "porch" settings in the Lumagen?
You KNOW you are dealing with an AV Idiot here!


You should ALL know by now I'm a miserable bugger and the best part of £300 (HDFury3) for a wee gadget scares the @*^& out of me AND the Bank Manager not to mention "she who must be obeyed"!
I may wait until August when I understand CurtPalme may NOT have the exclusive rights to sell these.....then market-powers may help!

[Pulse1]

You have to go into the menu settings and change the timings have a look through the manual Bill it tells you in there how to get to them. If i was in front of the Lumagen i could direct you exactly but i don't have one any more sorry mate. You have seperate porch/timing settings for NTSC 60hz/PAL 50hz and 48/72hz etc that you can change to adjust width/height/shift/sync etc. It's better to do that than using the Phase shift etc in your Seleco as you want to keep these adjustments as close to midway/central as possible in the Seleco for optimal performance and Tube wear etc Bill

[100949football]

Originally Posted by Pulse1

You have to go into the menu settings and change the timings have a look through the manual Bill it tells you in there how to get to them. If i was in front of the Lumagen i could direct you exactly but i don't have one any more sorry mate. You have seperate porch/timing settings for NTSC 60hz/PAL 50hz and 48/72hz etc that you can change to adjust width/height/shift/sync etc. It's better to do that than using the Phase shift etc in your Seleco as you want to keep these adjustments as close to midway/central as possible in the Seleco for optimal performance and Tube wear etc Bill

Many thanks again, friend.

Do you not use a scaler now then?

[Pulse1]

Originally Posted by 100949football

Many thanks again, friend.

Do you not use a scaler now then?

No no need mate as my JVC HD750 has all the calibration settings built into it inc. Gamma/Colour Balance/CMS and also has a very good upscaling chip for SD material I would still say that in the right situation as with a CRT projector then a Lumagen Processor is a must have piece of kit though

[100949football]

Originally Posted by Pulse1

You have to go into the menu settings and change the timings have a look through the manual Bill it tells you in there how to get to them. If i was in front of the Lumagen i could direct you exactly but i don't have one any more sorry mate. You have seperate porch/timing settings for NTSC 60hz/PAL 50hz and 48/72hz etc that you can change to adjust width/height/shift/sync etc. It's better to do that than using the Phase shift etc in your Seleco as you want to keep these adjustments as close to midway/central as possible in the Seleco for optimal performance and Tube wear etc Bill

Me again!

Is there a separate way to get into these "porch" settings as I can only access all available through the general menu feature on the Lumagen........I know how to get to them and change them but changing doesn't seem to do anything......current setting is 720p and 50HZ.

[Pulse1]

Originally Posted by 100949football

Me again!

Is there a separate way to get into these "porch" settings as I can only access all available through the general menu feature on the Lumagen........I know how to get to them and change them but changing doesn't seem to do anything......current setting is 720p and 50HZ.

Bill are you changing the right timings ? As it does alter the image once you change the values then once you get the hang of it and have the image where you want it then hit the save button

[100949football]

Originally Posted by Pulse1

Bill are you changing the right timings ? As it does alter the image once you change the values then once you get the hang of it and have the image where you want it then hit the save button

Hi Brian,

thanks again I tried the settings in the Lumagen:
Menu: In / Out / Misc / Save/ = selecting OUT.
Res / Aspect / GBAR / Mode / UNL = selecting Res
VRES / V Rate / H Rate / Size / Pos
768P / 50.00 / 40.000 / 150.84 / 0.57

Changing didn't make any real differences.

Then I went to the Sony Blu Ray 370:
Changed the Video out setting from 720p to 1080i and bingo everything perfect. 1080P causes the same problem again but the 1080i setting is great.
I use a Philips 963SA for conventional DVD so that is now fine as well.....all sorted - many, many thanks to yourself and Chris for your valuable time.
Now no need for an HDFury 2 or 3.

Happy Bunny once more.

[Pulse1]

Glad you got it fixed Bill, happy viewing