[Roland @ B4]

Nothing to do with me in fact it was one of my customers who brought it up

Some one has a Cine 9 that looks genuine up for auction starting at £8500

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With a day and a bit to go

[Barcoing Mad]

Tut tut.

[Roland @ B4]

Sorry is this breaking the rules. (I have no connection with the seller)

Just thought others might be interested.

The Cine 9 is the the CRT enthusiasts obsesion.

[TVrepairman000]

I think it may have something to do with the £8500 price tag that might be puting people off, I see it never sold.

Don't get me wrong who buys will drool all over and fall in love with it (I would if I had the cash), fantastic bit of kit but unfortunataly people are holding on to their spare cash.

[tausifs]

with the technology now rendered obsolete as a result of EU law, wouldn't replacement tubes be a thing of the past pretty soon, so any pj would be on its last legs.

[Chris Frost]

EU Law as discussed in the Times Online article applies to domestic television sets. There's no mention of CRT projectors or other devices that use CRT display technology.

I don't think it is a well researched or well written article, nor is the basis for the EU's proposal a particular sound bit of reasoning. New CRT television product has pretty much ceased across Europe thanks to WEE anyway. It didn't need another bit of bureaucratic nonsense from Brussels wasting precious tax £'s/€'s, burning countless Watts and contributing god knows how much to Europe's carbon footprint to make this happen.

Nor do I believe that this new law has done anything to make this CRT projector technology obsolete. It's as preposterous as suggesting that a Ferrari Daytona or Lamborghini Miura is worthless because they aren't fitted with catalytic converters.

[TVrepairman000]

Originally Posted by tausifs

with the technology now rendered obsolete as a result of EU law, wouldn't replacement tubes be a thing of the past pretty soon, so any pj would be on its last legs.

Average optimal performace lifetime of a TV CRT is rated at 20000 hours at optimum emmisons that's a long long time even if on for 5 - 6 hours a day.

even after the 20000 hours the tube does not simply stop working, the electron emmisions from the cahtodes might / may start to tail off a bit and the colour may drift as a result but you can bet that it is still very watchable and can be tweeked, if it needs tweeking at all, generally not an issue as this happens evenly to all 3 electron guns unless you have a dodgy tube.

My nan has a 21 inch Sony manual tune Valve TV its wooden cabinet made around 1965 and its still going to this day and apart from me fitting quite a few new capacitors and the odd valve over the years the picture tube is still as good as the day it was made, plenty of emmisons on my tube tester, very nice vintage TV in daily use.

Projector tubes suffer from burn in due to very hight brightness output needed and this heats up the phosphor inside, over time due to the heat the used phosphor starts to darken in colour and emmit less light output, and that changes the colour of the image displayed but the tube still works unless the cathode has totaly stopped emmiting electrons.

I was given a while back a Grundig rear projection TV from 1983, (this was adapted into a front projection unit and mounded to a ceiling in a pub) it was on 24 - 7 - 365 from about 1984 - 2008, 24 years non stop (eurosport on analogue satellite) never turned off or put into standby (apart from for repair power out ), had a few triplers over the years and caps in the power supply, we worked out that it was on for 210,000 hours ish, the 3 tubes were almost burnt black, but it still projected an image (all be it a pretty poor one) after 210,000 hours, now that's darn good going, I do have pictures of it and its tubes I will upload as proof.

CRT's will be around for a very very long time, just as it is a reliable solid technology thats had the best part of 80 years of refinment, I have a CRT TV and intend to keep unit it fails, been going 11 years, bet you bottom doller whe it does pack up it will not be the CRT its self but some other component that can be replaced no problem + I prefer CRT picture to the blocky picture found on LCD / Plasma display because there are only a small number of colour combinations, on CRT its 0 off black though an infinate number of values to fully on white, digital its down to a palette of 16.8 million colors due to digital processing restriction. 256Red x 256Green x 256Blue = 16.8M

All hail the almighty CRT

[leeboy2k3]

Originally Posted by TVrepairman000

Average optimal performace lifetime of a TV CRT is rated at 20000 hours at optimum emmisons that's a long long time even if on for 5 - 6 hours a day.

even after the 20000 hours the tube does not simply stop working, the electron emmisions from the cahtodes might / may start to tail off a bit and the colour may drift as a result but you can bet that it is still very watchable and can be tweeked, if it needs tweeking at all, generally not an issue as this happens evenly to all 3 electron guns unless you have a dodgy tube.

My nan has a 21 inch Sony manual tune Valve TV its wooden cabinet made around 1965 and its still going to this day and apart from me fitting quite a few new capacitors and the odd valve over the years the picture tube is still as good as the day it was made, plenty of emmisons on my tube tester, very nice vintage TV in daily use.

Projector tubes suffer from burn in due to very hight brightness output needed and this heats up the phosphor inside, over time due to the heat the used phosphor starts to darken in colour and emmit less light output, and that changes the colour of the image displayed but the tube still works unless the cathode has totaly stopped emmiting electrons.

I was given a while back a Grundig rear projection TV from 1983, (this was adapted into a front projection unit and mounded to a ceiling in a pub) it was on 24 - 7 - 365 from about 1984 - 2008, 24 years non stop (eurosport on analogue satellite) never turned off or put into standby (apart from for repair power out ), had a few triplers over the years and caps in the power supply, we worked out that it was on for 210,000 hours ish, the 3 tubes were almost burnt black, but it still projected an image (all be it a pretty poor one) after 210,000 hours, now that's darn good going, I do have pictures of it and its tubes I will upload as proof.

CRT's will be around for a very very long time, just as it is a reliable solid technology thats had the best part of 80 years of refinment, I have a CRT TV and intend to keep unit it fails, been going 11 years, bet you bottom doller whe it does pack up it will not be the CRT its self but some other component that can be replaced no problem + I prefer CRT picture to the blocky picture found on LCD / Plasma display because there are only a small number of colour combinations, on CRT its 0 off black though an infinate number of values to fully on white, digital its down to a palette of 16.8 million colors due to digital processing restriction. 256Red x 256Green x 256Blue = 16.8M

All hail the almighty CRT

What a great post that imho deserves to be a sticky somehow lol?

I love these kind of posts they add to the arsenal of facts I present to the HDTV obsessed fanboys I regularly encounter drivel from.

They need to teach tv shop assistants on the high street that pixels and dynamic contrast ratio's are not the be all!

I miss the old specialist tv /repair shops sniff.

[Nashou66]

Originally Posted by TVrepairman000

Average optimal performace lifetime of a TV CRT is rated at 20000 hours at optimum emmisons that's a long long time even if on for 5 - 6 hours a day.

even after the 20000 hours the tube does not simply stop working, the electron emmisions from the cahtodes might / may start to tail off a bit and the colour may drift as a result but you can bet that it is still very watchable and can be tweeked, if it needs tweeking at all, generally not an issue as this happens evenly to all 3 electron guns unless you have a dodgy tube.

My nan has a 21 inch Sony manual tune Valve TV its wooden cabinet made around 1965 and its still going to this day and apart from me fitting quite a few new capacitors and the odd valve over the years the picture tube is still as good as the day it was made, plenty of emmisons on my tube tester, very nice vintage TV in daily use.

Projector tubes suffer from burn in due to very hight brightness output needed and this heats up the phosphor inside, over time due to the heat the used phosphor starts to darken in colour and emmit less light output, and that changes the colour of the image displayed but the tube still works unless the cathode has totaly stopped emmiting electrons.

I was given a while back a Grundig rear projection TV from 1983, (this was adapted into a front projection unit and mounded to a ceiling in a pub) it was on 24 - 7 - 365 from about 1984 - 2008, 24 years non stop (eurosport on analogue satellite) never turned off or put into standby (apart from for repair power out ), had a few triplers over the years and caps in the power supply, we worked out that it was on for 210,000 hours ish, the 3 tubes were almost burnt black, but it still projected an image (all be it a pretty poor one) after 210,000 hours, now that's darn good going, I do have pictures of it and its tubes I will upload as proof.

CRT's will be around for a very very long time, just as it is a reliable solid technology thats had the best part of 80 years of refinment, I have a CRT TV and intend to keep unit it fails, been going 11 years, bet you bottom doller whe it does pack up it will not be the CRT its self but some other component that can be replaced no problem + I prefer CRT picture to the blocky picture found on LCD / Plasma display because there are only a small number of colour combinations, on CRT its 0 off black though an infinate number of values to fully on white, digital its down to a palette of 16.8 million colors due to digital processing restriction. 256Red x 256Green x 256Blue = 16.8M

All hail the almighty CRT

So when we seeing these pics?


Athanasios

[Roland @ B4]

It's back BTW £5000 !!!

I'm trying to find the picture of my most "toasted" tube

[Roland @ B4]

Found it just short of 20,000 hours of constant display

[leeboy2k3]

Originally Posted by Roland @ B4

Found it just short of 20,000 hours of constant display

Toasty!.. now if only there was a way to reduce/eliminate tube face wear possibly using a phosphor substitute that doesnt degrade, but still has the same/similar luminance properties does any such thing exist?