[custard10]

Originally Posted by varun432

Dulux Light And Space Doestn't Seem to be In Matt Finish?
It's Reflective?

iin england it can be bought in rich matt which is what has been used.
http://www.coopersdirect.com/pagevie...=5010212509777

[varun432]

Thanks for all your help.
I have finally decided to go with Dulux light and space.

I am using ax-200 and 130" screen.
This Is my first screen.and i have to complete my project.

What Color should i use?
Should It be Absolute White.
Or Should i go for 186:186:186 ie. light grey. or something in between the two.

I'll Order AAA from U.K. and mix with the Berger Paints and test first.
But This will be done later, may be after 2 months.

[custard10]

Originally Posted by varun432

Thanks for all your help.
I have finally decided to go with Dulux light and space.

I am using ax-200 and 130" screen.
This Is my first screen.and i have to complete my project.

What Color should i use?
Should It be Absolute White.
Or Should i go for 186:186:186 ie. light grey. or something in between the two.

I'll Order AAA from U.K. and mix with the Berger Paints and test first.
But This will be done later, may be after 2 months.

if you can block all light completely and all your walls and ceiling are dark then absolute white is a good starting point.

you referred to 186,186,186 as the light grey you would use. i think that this will be too dark a grey if there is no reflective element in the mix such as AAA.
something more at about 215-230 may be more appropriate.(n8.5 to n9)

[bobtex]

I've been reading up on paint sprayers, HVLP and whatnot. I think I might plump for that Wagner everyone is going on about, esp after looking at the avsforum posts on the subject (sorry mech, i know i shouldn't be there)!

If I knew for certain that the cheap £15 sprayer that I linked to before would do the job, I would certainly go for it, and for almost £60 delivered the Wagner is a good 4 times more expensive!!!

But it's tried and tested, and that counts for something

[chris555r]

Deefadog - having just gone through the frame making bit I am sad to say that B&Q don't seem to do straight timber.

My local B&Q (Portsmouth) has all of its planed timber in shrink wrapped packs looking nice and straight - but it's clear from those packs that are split that the timber is very warped, usually in all dimensions (i.e. it twists as well). In the end I purchased some timber I found the mouldings rack, but even then I had to pull out all the pieces and select the best (which weren't straight).

Your 111" will need long sides and if you can't find better product elsewhere you may need to find a way of fixing the frame to the wall that pulls the timber straight.

Has anybody else had the same problems and found another way round it?

Chris

[paulw77]

Chris,

MDF cut into strips should not warp.

[enablerbro1]

Finally got my AAA today, slow in coming due to a stock taking FUBAR apparently. Now I just need the wood for the frame, the paint, roller or spray gun and a projector.



Oh, I also need to finish off a half dozen other DIY projects of more immediate importance.

[martin purnell]

Try Homebase for wood. They'll cut it to the right length for you as well.
Martin

[saintstephen]

Would another option for people with the space for a fixed screen but uneven wall be to tack, screw, nail or glue the canvas straight onto the wall, no frame at all. leave extra and then cut away and put up a false frame, ( I put a false frame but painted directly onto the wall ).

[enablerbro1]

Originally Posted by saintstephen

Would another option for people with the space for a fixed screen but uneven wall be to tack, screw, nail or glue the canvas straight onto the wall, no frame at all. leave extra and then cut away and put up a false frame, ( I put a false frame but painted directly onto the wall ).

Might be difficult to stretch the canvas.

[mech]

Wow it's been busy here! Custy may have a much lighter shade of BW for you all soon! Harpmaker has figured out a BW in the 220 range! Custy will need to match up the base though.

mech

[bobtex]

Originally Posted by mech

Wow it's been busy here! Custy may have a much lighter shade of BW for you all soon! Harpmaker has figured out a BW in the 220 range! Custy will need to match up the base though.

mech

Much lighter you say? Brighter whites I take it that means - but what about the blacks?

[custard10]

Originally Posted by bobtex

Much lighter you say? Brighter whites I take it that means - but what about the blacks?

the lighter black widow will give brighter whites but the blacks will not be as deep as the current one.

the level of black is dictated by how dark the screen is.

when making screens there is always a trade off.
i dont doubt that we could make a screen with blacks as dark as the current mix and whites as light as the newer mix. it would probably mean using AAA in a ratio of 1:2 instead of 1:4. but doing that would result in a high gain screen with a narrow viewing cone and grainyness.

what we are really trying to achieve is a way of making a screen cheaply and still have the plus points of a screen which may have otherwise cost you a few hundred pounds.

the newer mix is for:
1) people who prefer the whites seen in a white screen/wall but want to improve their blacks abit more.
2) people who have a low lumens projector and cannot handle the darkening of the image with the current BW because their projector will not allow recalibration of brightness to a higher setting.

more info to follow as soon as i get the go ahead to begin testing

[muzz1]

Originally Posted by custard10

that person would not be tiddler would it

hahahahahahah...
ROTFLMAO

[bobtex]

I am about to order this Wagner Control Spray (Fine spray in UK i think) from America, along with a couple of other things, because it is a lot cheaper.

However, on reading amazon user reviews (http://www.amazon.com/Wagner-0417005...7191541&sr=8-4) almost all the reviewers mention it simply doesn't work with latex paints. If I remember correctly, Mech said the BW mix was latex (or latex based)!

Am I missing something? That is the right sprayer in the link isn't it?

[mech]

bobtex,

That is the correct sprayer and while I haven't used one, don't believe everything you read! There are several folks who've used this with latex paints to paint screens. I believe the problem with all of the reviews and what not is poor preparation. Well that and the fact that Wagner makes guns that will spray latex paint without any thinning.

Thin the mix so that when you swirl a fork through it and pull it out, the paint runs off between the tines. I believe I've read somewhere else that there should be like one second between drips. Add about 30% water to thin the mix.

By enough so that you can practice on something. You'll need practice and you'll also need to check the thin-ness of the mix.

Hope this helps a bit!

mech

[bobtex]

Originally Posted by mech

bobtex,

That is the correct sprayer and while I haven't used one, don't believe everything you read! There are several folks who've used this with latex paints to paint screens. I believe the problem with all of the reviews and what not is poor preparation. Well that and the fact that Wagner makes guns that will spray latex paint without any thinning.

Thin the mix so that when you swirl a fork through it and pull it out, the paint runs off between the tines. I believe I've read somewhere else that there should be like one second between drips. Add about 30% water to thin the mix.

By enough so that you can practice on something. You'll need practice and you'll also need to check the thin-ness of the mix.

Hope this helps a bit!

mech

It helps a lot! Much obliged to you, yet again!

[daveblade]

can someone post a link to the jackson canvas you are using as thair are about 10 italian fine canvasas and they range from 30 to 360 pound
thanks
dave

[enablerbro1]

It's the Universal Primed Finest Italian Cotton, Extra Fine Grain Texture, 250gsm, 2.1m wide £10.36 per metre.

[daveblade]

thanks for the quick reply
going to bite the bullet and do the best i can
screen width 110 x 60
order the paint and the material tomorrow

[custard10]

Originally Posted by daveblade

thanks for the quick reply
going to bite the bullet and do the best i can
screen width 110 x 60
order the paint and the material tomorrow

you might want to wait a week or 2 as we may be on the verge of having some new lighter black widow mixes.

i have been testing the newer versions today and the results are extremely interesting

[enablerbro1]

Originally Posted by daveblade

thanks for the quick reply
going to bite the bullet and do the best i can
screen width 110 x 60
order the paint and the material tomorrow

No problem.

[daveblade]

thanks guys
custard just order the screen and the aaa will the aaa still be used in the new mix i now have them on thair way
would also like to have a black outline to the outside of the screen as this set the pic off better in my opinion

[eddiem74]

Originally Posted by mech

By enough so that you can practice on something. You'll need practice and you'll also need to check the thin-ness of the mix.

Mech,

So you should practice with the actual mix you are going to use to spray, or could you practice with any spare paint ?

Also, how much further does the paint go when spraying versus rolling ? My 4:1 mix is 600ml before being thinned. Normally that 4:1 amount would get me one coat by rolling with a small amount over.

Thanks,
Eddie

[eddiem74]

Originally Posted by custard10

you might want to wait a week or 2 as we may be on the verge of having some new lighter black widow mixes.

i have been testing the newer versions today and the results are extremely interesting

More interesting than the current mix. I know you said you would most likely stay with the 4:1 BWUK mix. Are you now thinking of changing your mind ?

[custard10]

Originally Posted by daveblade

thanks guys
custard just order the screen and the aaa will the aaa still be used in the new mix i now have them on thair way
would also like to have a black outline to the outside of the screen as this set the pic off better in my opinion

the lighter mixes will utilize AAA-Medium or AAA-Coarse.

the current mix uses AAA-fine.

preliminary testing has begun and i am in the process of finding suitable paint for the uk with the help of the black widow team at the shack.

at this point i donot want to divulge further until it has been tested more thoroughly in the next week or two so as not to confuse people.

if/when the newer mixes are released it will just mean you will have more choices available.

if you cant wait then go for the current mix.

[custard10]

Originally Posted by eddiem74

More interesting than the current mix. I know you said you would most likely stay with the 4:1 BWUK mix. Are you now thinking of changing your mind ?

i always thought i would stick with current mix. but after testing last weekend i may contemplate changing

the testing was done in the night when i have light control.
i have not tested with ambient light which is where the current mix comes in to its own.

the newer mixes are more likely going to be for people with bat caves and low lumens projectors.

please bear with me. i will try and provide further info as soon as the black widow team finishes testing and approves the mixes.

[spaceman763]

Hi guys....

Just had a bit of a catch up on this thread and I cant believe Custy is at it again! Lol..... the potential new mix sounds very interesting. I may just be tempted!

I've had my BWUK screen now since it was first found here and although I have not used my PJ much in the last couple of months, it still never ceases to amaze me in ambient light. Even with my windows fully open in the long summer days the picture quality is cracking.

Just had Sky HD installed as well and the difference in picture quality over SD on the PJ is vast. Cannot underplay the role of BW in this at all!

Regards

[eddiem74]

Originally Posted by bobtex

I am about to order this Wagner Control Spray (Fine spray in UK i think) from America, along with a couple of other things, because it is a lot cheaper.

Hi bobtex,

Just wondering if you ordered the Wagner from the US or found something locally ? I see it on Amazon.co.uk for £50.

From some browsing around I also found some HVLP's sprayers from Earlex which can be purchased from B&Q and Argos.

I also found an offering on the Shopping Channel from JMLDirect !

Interested to know how your getting on.

[daveblade]

just waiting to find out how the paint spraying gose as i have the paint and the fabric just dont want to spend 50 quid on a spray gun if it dosnt work
just got to make the frame and place the fabric on to it