[Det]

All these anti-American semetics are awesome!!!

[Sonic67]

Originally Posted by PJTX100

Worst-case the UK Government may lose £6bill in taxes over this if BPs annual profit is wiped. That's not gonna help our deficit.

Maybe lots of oil revenue from exploiting the Falklands will help pay off losing money near Florida?

[baldrick]

Originally Posted by Fowl

Maybe because they don't want to give up the Reserve?

Doesn't capping essentially prevent an easy restart to pumping work?

To all intents and purposes the solution they're trying right now effectively replaces the 'lost' riser pipe and lets them collect the oil into tankers?

Regardless they are planning to plug the well as the long term solution...

[danalfie]

Originally Posted by Detrimental2u

All these anti-American semetics are awesome!!!

Hi Detrimental2u
Can you explain what semetics mean ?
I have looked it up on google and all it goes on about is something about folk who live in ancient AFRICA.
Your comment about anti-American could not be further from the truth,regarding any comment i have made.
I honestly think the USA does a great job as the worlds police man .The country as a whole is a great advert for multi cultralism ,The people are American first and foremost. The UK could learn a lot from this way of thinking.
But i stand by my point American engineers and American engineering are behind this accident.
If there was a tragic Accident at a Steel works in the UK,Would we all start jumping on the band wagon and blaming India ?
If there was a accident at a brewery in Burton on Trent or Tadcaster, Would we blame the Belgians ?

[Det]

Originally Posted by danalfie

Hi Detrimental2u
Can you explain what semetics mean ?
I have looked it up on google and all it goes on about is something about folk who live in ancient AFRICA.
Your comment about anti-American could not be further from the truth,regarding any comment i have made.
I honestly think the USA does a great job as the worlds police man .The country as a whole is a great advert for multi cultralism ,The people are American first and foremost. The UK could learn a lot from this way of thinking.
But i stand by my point American engineers and American engineering are behind this accident.
If there was a tragic Accident at a Steel works in the UK,Would we all start jumping on the band wagon and blaming India ?
If there was a accident at a brewery in Burton on Trent or Tadcaster, Would we blame the Belgians ?

Its more closely related to Jews than Africans but I was using it as analygous to some of the posts on here and Jew hating in WWII... granted it's not that bad, but still... I think it's unwarranted.

But honestly, I don't think we're blaming the UK... maybe the company is British, but so what, if an American company did it, we'd be blaming them too. And one thing you have to keep in mind, the owner of the contract or supplies are the ones to be held responsible.

Yes an American company may have built it, but it's up to the owners of the company (BP) to maintain it and operate it within regulations... which they have a history of circumventing safety issues in the past so I think it's pretty safe to blame BP for it. Not UK as a whole, just the company.

[whatsupdoc]

Good post from Vnb.

It was interesting to hear on the Radio 4 Nature programme their man who toured the coastal area reported that while some wildlife had been affected it was only a small fraction of the damage that had been predicted.

[Wild Weasel]

Originally Posted by Detrimental2u

Yes an American company may have built it, but it's up to the owners of the company (BP) to maintain it and operate it within regulations... which they have a history of circumventing safety issues in the past so I think it's pretty safe to blame BP for it. Not UK as a whole, just the company.

BP didn't own the Deepwater Horizon rig. It was built by Hyundai in South Korea and leased to BP by its owner, Transocean Ltd.

[Det]

Originally Posted by Wild Weasel

BP didn't own the Deepwater Horizon rig. It was built by Hyundai in South Korea and leased to BP by its owner, Transocean Ltd.

Someone said Cameron (american company) built it earlier in this thread. *shrug*

I don't care either way, I just want the damn thing fixed.

[danalfie]

Originally Posted by Detrimental2u

Its more closely related to Jews than Africans but I was using it as analygous to some of the posts on here and Jew hating in WWII... granted it's not that bad, but still... I think it's unwarranted.

But honestly, I don't think we're blaming the UK... maybe the company is British, but so what, if an American company did it, we'd be blaming them too. And one thing you have to keep in mind, the owner of the contract or supplies are the ones to be held responsible.

Yes an American company may have built it, but it's up to the owners of the company (BP) to maintain it and operate it within regulations... which they have a history of circumventing safety issues in the past so I think it's pretty safe to blame BP for it. Not UK as a whole, just the company.

Dont think you will find any anti American sentiments on this thread, I will stand corrected if you can find any .
Analygous have not got a clue what that means ?
I take your valid point about if it was one of your companies you would think the same,But i doubt you would be jumping up and down on the stars and stripes like some of your countrymen did to ours ?
And to finish i will put down your referance to Jews as genuine ignorance of how Europeans would find this so offensive.

[brumhee]

Originally Posted by Prasius

According to my mate (tm) There was something on Radio 5 the other day about the scale of this in comparison to other oil disasters and it's only rating at Number 40 on the list or something. I'll do some proper digging on that later. I'm not suggesting it's just a little incident, but it's suggested it's a long way from the worlds greatest ever oil slick.

And I'm not really suggesting you're all bad Detrimental - it's just the ranting at BP seemed a little silly to me; it's not like it was intentional!

The biggest was the Iraqis before the first gulf war (I think it was the first). They scuttled a load of tankers to slow the american fleet!

[Det]

Originally Posted by danalfie

Dont think you will find any anti American sentiments on this thread, I will stand corrected if you can find any .
Analygous have not got a clue what that means ?
I take your valid point about if it was one of your companies you would think the same,But i doubt you would be jumping up and down on the stars and stripes like some of your countrymen did to ours ?
And to finish i will put down your referance to Jews as genuine ignorance of how Europeans would find this so offensive.

Meant Analogous, as in analogy.

It's possible I am reading too far into people's posts. But you're right, I wouldn't be jumping up and down on your flag, but to be honest, there are idiots in every country that do stupid things everyday. That just happened to be caught on camera.

Semetism happens everyday, I'm not specifically referring to Holocaust if that's what you're assuming. But you're probably right when you said "Sentiments" as it is clearly the more appropriate word.

[Prasius]

Thanks added to all the posts that have made me laugh

Detrimental - come on, lets not see you fall into that seemingly unique American phenomena of hearing any criticism of the US, or anything associated with the US, and thinking the criticiser is one step away from strapping on a suicide vest and screaming ALLAH AKBAR! whilst running at the local US Embassy... Oh, and just to refute any comparison to European Jews in WW2, neither is anyone suggesting we show the American populace some questionable shower blocks just because they're currently occupied ranting about BP.

Just to repeat the original point I was trying to make is that the American media and leadership seem to be spending all their time crying and ranting about what has happened, and haven't spent any time at all asking why, from a national policy point of view, such a process, with all its inherent risks was allowed to proceed in the first place.

[Bill Hicks]

Detrimental2U.
Over here we drink Carling, not that gassy amber fizz water you guys produce!
So stop calling my pint a woman!

[Det]

I can take criticism. Others might not be able to. However, I think the criticism should be appropriate to the individual rather than the nation. Just like with every nation there is good and bad within a society.

*** is Carling? I drink Shiner Bock. Shiner Bock > Your women/beer

[danalfie]

Originally Posted by Detrimental2u

they have a history of circumventing safety issues in the past so I think it's pretty safe to blame BP for it. Not UK as a whole, just the company.

Yes BP have had problems in the USA before.
The main cause of loss of life at Texas city was shutdown cabins on the plant during start up.
I work on a Chemical/Refinary complex here in the UK,This scenario would just not happen here. The workforce would not accept it.
Up until Texas city it must of been common practice in the US otherwise why were they there?
All that is happening is your engineering teams etc are cutting corners and BP the owners are picking up the can.
We are all frustrated and want this sorted and i am sure good American and British workers are working together to get there.

[Bill Hicks]

Originally Posted by Detrimental2u

*** is Carling? I drink Shiner Bock. Shiner Bock > Your women/beer

I'll buy you a pint any day.
Just as long as it's Sam Addams.

[Alan CD]

Originally Posted by Detrimental2u

I can take criticism. Others might not be able to. However, I think the criticism should be appropriate to the individual rather than the nation. Just like with every nation there is good and bad within a society.

Well said and I quite agree.

However, the American media, newspapers and TV, grab every opportunity to voice indignation and criticism on anything BP, or it's senior representatives, say or do. As such, to outsiders, the American media represent the feelings of the nation. That also includes the President as he has chosen to jump on the bandwagon.

Such righteous indignation caught me by surprise as it was not expected. Everywhere else in the world where such oil spills have taken place its been a case of roll the sleeves up and all hands to the pumps and everyone helps out.

These days it would appear in America that litigation has priority over all else. Stand back and squeeze as much money out of the situation as possible. Fill ya boots boys.

I now view America in a new light.

[Steven]

Just watching HIGNFY on iPlayer...

BP Global | BP

Do you have ideas to help us?:
+1 281 366 5511

[Bill Hicks]

Originally Posted by Alan CD

Well said and I quite agree.

However, the American media, newspapers and TV, grab every opportunity to voice indignation and criticism on anything BP, or it's senior representatives, say or do. As such, to outsiders, the American media represent the feelings of the nation. That also includes the President as he has chosen to jump on the bandwagon.

Such righteous indignation caught me by surprise as it was not expected. Everywhere else in the world where such oil spills have taken place its been a case of roll the sleeves up and all hands to the pumps and everyone helps out.

These days it would appear in America that litigation has priority over all else. Stand back and squeeze as much money out of the situation as possible. Fill ya boots boys.

I now view America in a new light.

Well said but nothings changed there really!
The US has always been a litigation society.

[whatsupdoc]

A post from a US citizen, lifted from elsewhere:-


By the end of this month there will at least 50 deep water offshore drilling rigs idle due to the total offshore drilling ban by President Obama.

When taking into account of all the service/supply companies that livelihood depends on offshore drilling, it will cause at a minimum job loss of 100,000 people. The longer the ban is in place, the higher the number of people becoming unemployed.

These soon to be unemployed people will stop buying new cars, used cars, eating out, not buy a new or used home, new clothes, etcetera. So just guess how many other people will lose their jobs.

One accident on an offshore drilling rig in over forty (40) years and Obama risks sending the US economy into a deep recession just to be Politically Correct.

[Steven]

Awfully PC when marine life choke to death and tourists stay away from the oil soaked beaches. There are more people affected than just the oil industry

It is important to exercise caution when reading an American forum - One amusing opinion I read advocating the resumption of drilling was that oil derived from nature and thus being a natural product it was good for the ocean as it merely represented the natural cycle

[whatsupdoc]

I think you're missing the point - it will do nothing to assist or rectify the current situation - just makes matters worse.

Also, see my #66. A fairly impartial report, I would say, without trying to minimise it in any way.

[xit2050]

How much is leaking according to BP?

First announcements: 1,000 barrels a day
Two weeks later: 5,000 barrels
Early last week: 12,000 barrels
End of last week: 19,000 barrels
Latest press briefing: 25,000 barrels

What a BP board member told the senate's commission behind closed doors: 60,000 barrels (9.5 million litres) each day.

And then there is this: New oil plume evidence uncovered - CNN.com

[SyStemDeMoN]

The effect on Wildlife is my main concern here.

Why is it, that if this had happened somewhere else, then the US would have probably pledged to help in the clear up and fix the problem ?

BP haven't said "prove it was us then we will help" pr anything like that, they just shut up and got on with dealing with the disaster, as any blame can be sorted later but the loss of marine life and damage to coast line cannot.

I can't belive the US would do nothing, why not help get the situation sorted, then bill BP ??

On another note, why don't BP just ask Micheal Bay to fix it, Blockbuster style !

YouTube - South Park - Michael Bay

[baldrick]

So the cap seems to be working well. Looking at BPs website they collected 14,800 barrels and flared 30.6 million cubic feet of gas.

The first one is good, but the second one seems like something of a waste, surely there must be a way to capture that gas and use it?

[danalfie]

Originally Posted by baldrick

So the cap seems to be working well. Looking at BPs website they collected 14,800 barrels and flared 30.6 million cubic feet of gas.

The first one is good, but the second one seems like something of a waste, surely there must be a way to capture that gas and use it?

Hi Baldrick
Some good news at last hope it continues.
Dont know how they could collect it.
Gas is normaly transported in a liquified state,Perhaps some of the new ships with a liquifacation plant built on board could be used ?
I suspect at this moment in time everybody will be working on capping the leak and tidying up.

[IronGiant]

It's standard practice to burn off gas at an oil rig unless they are specifically after the gas:

From Wiki: The World Bank estimates that over 150 billion cubic metres of natural gas are flared or vented annually, an amount worth approximately 30.6 billion dollars, equivalent to 25 percent of the United States’ gas consumption or 30 percent of the European Union’s gas consumption per year

[danalfie]

Originally Posted by IronGiant

It's standard practice to burn off gas at an oil rig unless they are specifically after the gas:

From Wiki: The World Bank estimates that over 150 billion cubic metres of natural gas are flared or vented annually, an amount worth approximately 30.6 billion dollars, equivalent to 25 percent of the United States’ gas consumption or 30 percent of the European Union’s gas consumption per year

Years ago it was burnt as waste not any more they try and capture it.
In this instant you will be right as the rig was destroyed.
The prime use of a flare stack is as a safety device for venting from other relief valves etc.

[Det]

Originally Posted by Alan CD

Well said and I quite agree.

However, the American media, newspapers and TV, grab every opportunity to voice indignation and criticism on anything BP, or it's senior representatives, say or do. As such, to outsiders, the American media represent the feelings of the nation. That also includes the President as he has chosen to jump on the bandwagon.

Such righteous indignation caught me by surprise as it was not expected. Everywhere else in the world where such oil spills have taken place its been a case of roll the sleeves up and all hands to the pumps and everyone helps out.

These days it would appear in America that litigation has priority over all else. Stand back and squeeze as much money out of the situation as possible. Fill ya boots boys.

I now view America in a new light.

The same president that cried racist when a black man wouldn't show the police his identification because they received a phone call saying the house was being broken into.

Everyone makes mistakes.

I'm not advocating our practices over here. I don't even watch the news because it's all death and taxes. It's on the air for entertainment, nothing of actual substance. They are all biased as well. News websites, TV media, etc are all on one side of the fence and will report facts with their skewed point of view.

Someone could donate their kidney to someone less fortunate and the republicans would say he did it because he had the choice. The democrats would say he did it because the guy who needed the kidney deserved it. Who gives a crap, the guy/girl is now given a second chance because someone was self-sacrificing, just leave it at that.

Sure the media might be all over BP, but who cares. We'll still be buying oil from them, we'll still come visit your pubs, we'll still consider you allies and brethren. No sense in getting up in arms over "entertainment" put on by idiots who make more money than I could ever dream about.

Sorry for the diatribe but I don't like being associated with assclowns just because I'm American.

[Det]

Originally Posted by Bill Hicks

Well said but nothings changed there really!
The US has always been a litigation society.

It's broke and maybe the next President will promise to change it and then do nothing which seems to be the norm lately