TX-P42X10 or TX-P42C10?

PhilsterUK · 06-05-2009, 12:38 PM

So, 42X10 or 42C10, that is the question!?

I bought a TX-P42C10 from JL for £549 on Saturday that is being delivered tomorrow.

However, a JL price match letter arrived this morning for the TX-P42X10 for £619.95.

So, now I am torn as to whether to stick with the C10 or pay the extra £70 and get the X10.

The fact that there are no reviews yet for the C10 make it a tough decision!

Is the X10 worth the extra £70??

Decisions, decisions..........

E9 Smooth · 06-05-2009, 1:50 PM

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Originally Posted by PhilsterUK

So, 42X10 or 42C10, that is the question!?

I bought a TX-P42C10 from JL for £549 on Saturday that is being delivered tomorrow.

However, a JL price match letter arrived this morning for the TX-P42X10 for £619.95.

So, now I am torn as to whether to stick with the C10 or pay the extra £70 and get the X10.

The fact that there are no reviews yet for the C10 make it a tough decision!

Is the X10 worth the extra £70??

Decisions, decisions..........

Its not a tough decision, get the X10.

mulholland · 06-05-2009, 2:19 PM

£620 inc delivery from JL is good work!

May I ask which branch of John Lewis, and who did you pricematch against?

*mabuk* · 06-05-2009, 3:01 PM

Just this this posted elsewhere:

"Contrary to many store listings and forum posts, Panasonic technical support have confirmed:

The C10 and X10 use identical panels, have the same native contrast of 20000:1, and the same dynamic contrast of 2000000:1.

The C10 is identical to the X10 in all respects except that it lacks: eco mode, surround-sound simulation, side HDMI input, and PC input."

tvbox · 06-05-2009, 3:05 PM

X10 gets a vote from me: only because i need those little extras

If you don't need them, then get the c10. I'm pretty sure the Picure Quality will be the same.

allstar_07 · 06-05-2009, 3:16 PM

I have to make the same decision, although I'm looking at the 37" X10 PM at £549.99 as well. The C10 seems to differ on the points you make above to the X10. Personally 2hdmi inputs doesn't bother me and the surround sound probably doesn't make much difference. It's the same panel but I 'think' uses V-Real3 instead of 4 but I wouldn't know what sort of difference that makes. There was also some talk of it not having a filter to help stop reflections etc. I looked at it in JL through the built in Freeview and it looked decent enough to me. The x10 didn't look any better anyway.

Maybe the biggest difference will be the eco mode which has recieved quite a lot of good support on here.

However, I've found that the X10's all look fairly poor if I'm honest in the shop but the rave reviews they get must mean they get better with age and with lighting conditions and look better when properly set up etc.

I'm going for a X10 or C10 myself so I'm relying on peoples opinions on here! I can't see a proper review for the C10 coming out for a while but user reviews on here hopefully will start appearing in the next week or so when people recieve them from JL. RS are doing it at 499.99 with 1yr or 550 with 5.

I've been researching for quite a while now and I'm starting to think will I even notice the difference! As long as there isn't loads of motion blur etc I'm sure I won't notice how deep the blacks are etc when it's in my living room with nothing to compare it with.

tvbox · 06-05-2009, 3:21 PM

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Originally Posted by allstar_07

However, I've found that the X10's all look fairly poor if I'm honest in the shop but the rave reviews they get must mean they get better with age and with lighting conditions and look betetr when properly set-up etc.

The shop's never the best place to judge a tv.
If you don't need the extras or the round looks, then get the C10.
You could try asking this thread for avforums review requests:
AVForums display review Requests

allstar_07 · 06-05-2009, 3:21 PM

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Originally Posted by PhilsterUK

So, 42X10 or 42C10, that is the question!?

I bought a TX-P42C10 from JL for £549 on Saturday that is being delivered tomorrow.

Maybe you can put up one of the 1st reviews!

rewerb · 06-05-2009, 3:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mabuk

Just this this posted elsewhere:

"Contrary to many store listings and forum posts, Panasonic technical support have confirmed:

The C10 and X10 use identical panels, have the same native contrast of 20000:1, and the same dynamic contrast of 2000000:1.

The C10 is identical to the X10 in all respects except that it lacks: eco mode, surround-sound simulation, side HDMI input, and PC input."

No game mode either? nor x.v colour. no s-video input. And it doesnt have the Natural Vision Filter (anti-glare) and has a different stand.

mulholland · 06-05-2009, 4:19 PM

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Originally Posted by rewerb

No game mode either? nor x.v colour. no s-video input. And it doesnt have the Natural Vision Filter (anti-glare) and has a different stand.

I made the original post about the C10 and X10 performance difference. I did not intend to compare cosmetic or external differences as these are plain for all to see in pictures and in the flesh.

Anyway, you're wrong: The C10 has game mode, xv color and S-Video input.

And again wrong: Neither the C10 nor the X10 have the Natural Vision Filter.

The stand and cosmetics are different, yes. Same standard of finish, just different shape. Difference in PQ and reflections was undetectable to my keen eye.

My source: Panasonic UK, and just seen one in the flesh.

I don't know why forum users here like to spread unsubstantiated misinformation?

xp1 · 06-05-2009, 4:26 PM

I see Richer sounds are doing these for £500. Is that the cheapest?

tvbox · 06-05-2009, 4:27 PM

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Originally Posted by xp1

I see Richer sounds are doing these for £500. Is that the cheapest?

I think so
Well, at the moment anyway

Lizzybif · 06-05-2009, 4:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mulholland

And again wrong: Neither the C10 nor the X10 have the Natural Vision Filter.

On the Panasonic website it shows AR beside Natural Vision Filter. What does this mean?

mulholland · 06-05-2009, 4:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lizzybif

On the Panasonic website it shows AR beside Natural Vision Filter. What does this mean?

This means it doesn't have the Natural Vision Filter, but the AR filter.

Lizzybif · 06-05-2009, 4:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mulholland

This means it doesn't have the Natural Vision Filter, but the AR filter.

Thanks. What is the difference?

E9 Smooth · 06-05-2009, 4:38 PM

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Originally Posted by mulholland

This means it doesn't have the Natural Vision Filter, but the AR filter.

So does the C10 have the AR filter, becuase I read in another thread the C10 has some sort of filter missing. So guess in brighter lighting conditions the X10 should perform better

mulholland · 06-05-2009, 4:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Lizzybif

Thanks. What is the difference?

I don't know, I don't make them.

mulholland · 06-05-2009, 4:44 PM

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Originally Posted by E9 Smooth

So does the C10 have the AR filter, becuase I read in another thread the C10 has some sort of filter missing. So guess in brighter lighting conditions the X10 should perform better

Having studied the reflections carefully today as best I could, I was surprised to find that despite the specification and name of filters:

Z81 and Z800 are better than X10 and G10.

Shockingly, C10 is also a bit better than X10 or G10 for reflections.

And for some reason, G10 and X10, I couldn't tell a difference.

All quite small differences though.

Kev12 · 06-05-2009, 4:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mulholland

I don't know, I don't make them.

Whats your malfunction?

Lizzybif · 06-05-2009, 4:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mulholland

I don't know, I don't make them.

Okay. Sorry for asking.

E9 Smooth · 06-05-2009, 4:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mulholland

Having studied the reflections carefully today as best I could, I was surprised to find that despite the specification and name of filters:

Z81 and Z800 are better than X10 and G10.

Shockingly, C10 is also a bit better than X10 or G10 for reflections.

And for some reason, G10 and X10, I couldn't tell a difference.

All quite small differences though.

Sorry I disagree with everything you just said, Im not sure about the C10 because I havent yet recieved it at my store. But the G10 and X10 deal with reflections better than last years models.

mulholland · 06-05-2009, 5:03 PM

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Originally Posted by E9 Smooth

Sorry I disagree with everything you just said, Im not sure about the C10 because I havent yet recieved it at my store. But the G10 and X10 deal with reflections better than last years models.

That's ok, everyone sees things differently. I'm surprised though.

I disagree with you likewise.

Anyone worried about reflections should therefore go and check it the models out for themselves, plenty on display to see.

mulholland · 06-05-2009, 5:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Lizzybif

Okay. Sorry for asking.

Sorry - I meant it light-heartedly!

Lizzybif · 06-05-2009, 5:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mulholland

Sorry - I meant it light-heartedly!

Oh okay thanks. It just didn't come across that way. Should have added a

Apology accepted and appreciated.

Greenpanda · 06-05-2009, 5:15 PM

The rumour was a lack of polarising filter I thought, not Anti-Reflective.

Although I have no idea how important that omission is.

E9 Smooth · 06-05-2009, 5:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mulholland

That's ok, everyone sees things differently. I'm surprised though.

I disagree with you likewise.

Anyone worried about reflections should therefore go and check it the models out for themselves, plenty on display to see.

Its true people can see things differently, but thats how I see it

PhilsterUK · 06-05-2009, 6:38 PM

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Originally Posted by mulholland

£620 inc delivery from JL is good work!

May I ask which branch of John Lewis, and who did you pricematch against?

It's from the Nottingham branch, PM'd against RS.

I decided to plump for the X10 and it's now that that is being delivered tomorrow instead. Thought the difference wasn't THAT much for the extra bits and bobs so thought what the hell, why not.

thebigdan32 · 06-05-2009, 7:50 PM

ARGHH

New to this forum but have been reading intently for the last week or so. Had a 42inch PX80 that I got for £500 at Curry's just after christmas and was delighted with it. Problem is that we got burgled last week and it was taken (how they carried the beast away when I was asleep upstairs I don't know!). Too add to this we didnt have insurance (let this be a lesson!)

Anyway, about to replace it and want to keep to a budget for obvious reasons (but also want something that lasts to avoid replacing again over next few years. Narrowed it down to this C10 vs X10 argument, and have been quoted £499 and £619 from JL with the 5yr guarentee (pricematching Richer Sounds). Though it is "only" £120 difference, that is actually about a 25% premium on the C10 price to get the X10 - quite a bit!

I only really use SD inputs for now, but do want to get a Blu-Ray player in the next few years...

They both have identical G12 plasma panels, and I've seen different answers from different places about the V-real 3 or 4 (some say both have 4, most say V real 3 is on the C10).

These are my conclusions:

- The X10 is a bit sleeker looking (not that important)
- The X10 has "eco" mode, dimming the monitor in dark conditions, and not sure if the C10 does
- The X10 has an extra HDMI socket (3 vs 2)
- The X10 has had great reviews, especially when it comes to sound quality. This is probably most relevant as the C10 is yet to be properly reviewed.

Apart from the last point there, I dont really see it worth it to spend 25% more just for the X10. Might well buy tomorrow from JL - havent been watching any TV since the last one was stolen as cant bear to use my rubbish old JVC thing!.

alsina · 06-05-2009, 9:49 PM

For anyone considering buying an X10 based on picture quality, then the C10 shoud be avoided. I have been to John Lewis today to cast my eye over the pretender to the X10's throne and I came away disappointed. My observations:

C10 does have:

S-Video input
Game mode
x.v.Colour

it also uses an identical plasma panel to the X10 and from what I can gather from Panasonic UK, it also uses the same V-Real 4 processor as the X10.

Sound quality is also identical to the X10.

However, the C10 has 2 major flaws:

1) It looks particularly cheap and nasty in terms of the screen surround (bezel) and I mean not like any panasonic I have ever seen or sold. Go see for yourself.

2) Now the biggy, picture quality. IMPORTANT the C10 has NO AR (anti-reflective) screen filter. What does this mean? Well, in a pitch black room there will be practically no ambient light hitting the screen and therefore nothing to reflect back at you and in these conditions, I would say that the picture quality is on a par with the X10. But, and it's a big but, if you have ANY light in the room, you will suffer from severe reflections from the untreated screen which, as well as being very irritating, means that the colours and especially the black levels, are in reality much worse than the X10. In average room lighting, you will be watching mainly yourself in the screen! In a brightly lit room, say during the day, this would make the tv pretty much unwatchable. This was a problem with plasmas of old, it has come back to haunt us.

So, in summary, if you're leaning towards the X10 for its picture quality, the C10 is no substitute, not even close. A great value tv with Panasonic reliability, yes. Class leader, no. I realise that the C10 is much cheaper initially than the X10, but I'd strongly advise to get a good deal on an X10 and close the price gap. To buy the C10 over the X10 is a decision that any enthusiast will regret.

The Snake · 06-05-2009, 9:57 PM

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Originally Posted by thebigdan32

ARGHH
Had a 42inch PX80 that I got for £500 at Curry's just after christmas and was delighted with it. Problem is that we got burgled last week and it was taken (how they carried the beast away when I was asleep upstairs I don't know!).

They're burgling people just to get hold of the PX80 now, thats just how good it is

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