[mrwhoppit]

Time to upgrade my 8 year old NEC 42MP2, still working to be fair but leaving it on the wall when moving next week and at last have an excuse to replace!
Anyway decided to invest in one of the above and wondered what opinions were from those that have made or are about to make the same decision.

My gut feeling is that I will not require the media box since I plan to run a humax freesat pvr & ps3 via an av amp probably the SC LX71 for video sources. There is a VCR & Humax freeview in the current rack but would probably retire these.
The tuners within the media box would then potentially be a duplication although i appreciate that one could then still watch a channel if pvr recording was fully engaged etc...
I notice the networking opportunities for the 500A though which while appear attractive am not sure in real terms what this means.
The dvi input on the 500M presumably can take a pc/media centre connection later anyway?
Quite like the idea of just a monitor and minimal number of boxes however don't want to miss a trick if possible either.

Will be stand mounting in the short term so easy access to panel etc..

Any input to my first post very welcome...

thanks

[Professor_V]

Try out the new fujitsu /nec plasma's cracking screens...

[kingfats]

Originally Posted by mrwhoppit

My gut feeling is that I will not require the media box since I plan to run a humax freesat pvr & ps3 via an av amp probably the SC LX71 for video sources.

Hi mrwhoppit.
What first pushed me towards the M was that i didn't need or want the Media box and it's features i really fancied a monitor only version for a change also.
Very pleased with the M it's got some neat tricks up it's sleeve as well.
All the best.

[mrwhoppit]

I have to say the NEC has been the business and gone on working far longer than I expected. Back in 2000 as I recall the choice was the afore mentioned, Fujitsu or Panasonic. Don't remember any Pioneer offering or possibly out of my budget!
It's not so easy to check NEC out now of course as even more out of the domestic market.
Is there a particular model you are suggesting?

[mrwhoppit]

What tricks have you discovered with your 600M captain?

[Black Adder]

Originally Posted by mrwhoppit

What tricks have you discovered with your 600M captain?

He won't say cos he's shy. It's all a bit secret and hush hush - sort of secret society. They are seemingly small things that are more useful than meets the eye initially and not obvious in the manual - bit like playing Tomb Raider and trying to find that difficult artifact.

[kingfats]

Originally Posted by mrwhoppit

What tricks have you discovered with your 600M captain?

Pure mode (picture preset) is not global TV remembers settings per resolution/Hz as well,this applies to each Input.
If your feeling lonely the TV can send you an email to cheer you up.

[Black Adder]

Originally Posted by kingfats

Pure mode (picture preset) is not global and can be set independantly per Input.
Remembers settings per resolution/Hz as well,this applies to each Input.
If your feeling lonely the TV can send you an email to cheer you up.

You forgot the finer steps for ISFing KF?

[mrwhoppit]

Very rewarding when you finally crack that elusive part of the level that you have been stuck on between 2 & 3 in the morning, agreed .
However on this occasion before blowing 2.5k it would be useful to get the cheat guide & complete walk through
How do we lure the 'shy one' away from his pond to reveal these closely guarded secrets?

[Black Adder]

Originally Posted by mrwhoppit

Very rewarding when you finally crack that elusive part of the level that you have been stuck on between 2 & 3 in the morning, agreed .
However on this occasion before blowing 2.5k it would be useful to get the cheat guide & complete walk through
How do we lure the 'shy one' away from his pond to reveal these closely guarded secrets?

He just did in post 7. Some also say that the inherent design without all the extra tuners and other gubbins gives a better picture, but I couldn't comment myself on that as I've not seen the two together.

Be aware though that the M has a lot of things missing that you would normally take for granted to be present on a TV. You need to research it like I'm doing.

[wHoMe]

Hardly a secret about per resolution when bumtious mentioned it before they were even on sale

http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasm...ml#post7667414

Originally Posted by Black Adder

Some also say that the inherent design without all the extra tuners and other gubbins gives a better picture, but I couldn't comment myself on that as I've not seen the two together.

Maybe you shouldn't comment at all as I don't know anyone who has said that about the M & A, it was certainly said about the LX because everything is in the panel unlike either the M or the A

Maybe you should read the review or listen to what Tony said about the A

http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Pion...0A-Review.html

AVForums and TLC Broadcast Pioneer KRP Event

Its not a competition between panels they all have their benefits its about finding the one thats right for you

[IanSeward]

Originally Posted by mrwhoppit

Time to upgrade my 8 year old NEC 42MP2, still working to be fair but leaving it on the wall when moving next week and at last have an excuse to replace!
Anyway decided to invest in one of the above and wondered what opinions were from those that have made or are about to make the same decision.

My gut feeling is that I will not require the media box since I plan to run a humax freesat pvr & ps3 via an av amp probably the SC LX71 for video sources. There is a VCR & Humax freeview in the current rack but would probably retire these.
The tuners within the media box would then potentially be a duplication although i appreciate that one could then still watch a channel if pvr recording was fully engaged etc...
I notice the networking opportunities for the 500A though which while appear attractive am not sure in real terms what this means.
The dvi input on the 500M presumably can take a pc/media centre connection later anyway?
Quite like the idea of just a monitor and minimal number of boxes however don't want to miss a trick if possible either.

Will be stand mounting in the short term so easy access to panel etc..

Any input to my first post very welcome...

thanks

My thoughts were similar to yours, did not want another box, everything goes via my Yamaha amp so only need 1 HDMI on the TV, only need power and 1 HDMI to go to the TV (so no advantage from 500A), DVR provides a free view tuner if I need it, as I normally use Sky HD. So, I could not see any benefit in going with the A - just hope it is delivered tomorrow as promised

If you need scart connection, want to take audio out of the set, play media files etc you need the A, so do your homework - manuals for both sets are on the Pioneer site.

[mrwhoppit]

Thanks for the replies all, reckon the M is still favourite due partly to potential congestion in the rack when something else comes along. Not using any scarts recently although thinking about it maybe I should since I'm always finding new ones in a cupboard!
What's the score with sound via hdmi as did to plan to get a new av amp to simplify the process but could always still use the Denon for audio and go straight into the monitor or the box in the case of the A?
Decisions decisions...it's a hard life

[kingfats]

Originally Posted by mrwhoppit

What's the score with sound via hdmi as did to plan to get a new av amp to simplify the process but could always still use the Denon for audio and go straight into the monitor or the box in the case of the A?
Decisions decisions...it's a hard life

The M will of course accept audio "In" but there is no audio outs at all.
Cheers.

[mrwhoppit]

How are the menus KF as the word on the street is that the A's have a sexy GUI whereas M's are more industrial?
Assuming they both cover the same ground including sending the lonely viewer an email!

[kingfats]

Originally Posted by mrwhoppit

How are the menus KF as the word on the street is that the A's have a sexy GUI whereas M's are more industrial?
Assuming they both cover the same ground including sending the lonely viewer an email!

The M menus are quite straight forward,plain and simple a lot of the main settings are on one page so that's handy.

[chiholam]

Hi!

I'm in this same quandry - do I get a M or an A. I don't have an AV receiver at the moment, and new setup will be replacing a Hitachi plasma which had the tuner box coupled with a Sony All in One DVD/Amp/Speaker. I'm moving house as well, so basically taking the opportunity to set up a good HC system with the panel and speakers properly hung in the wall with all the cables stuck in the wall. With the set up of the room, the cable will have to be at least 5Ms long (I understand I can get a 10M cable for the A version)

I was looking at the A (before I even knew of a M), and talking to Sevenoaks, they basically asked whether I needed the media box. They told me that I could just get the M (and save £200 compared to the A) and an AV receiver instead, and have a single HDMI cable from it to the TV; possibly at the same time also plug in the second HMDI cable in the TV as spare in case I ever wanted to use it. The 5m Chord HDMI cable was ablout the same cost of the 10M A cable, so no difference in cost there (well, if I don't included the second spare HDMI cable)

I told them that I had normal Sky, and component versions of Xbox360 and Wii. Whilst I do intend to switch to Sky HD in the future, it'll need to be able to support Scart (Sky) and component for the 2 consoles. DVD currently uses Scart, but that'll be switched for one with HDMI during the move/HC setup.

Sevenoaks told me that a decent AV receiver would be able to convert the RGB Scart (Sky), and the components (XB360/Wii) to HDMI without any problems (and no loss of picture quality). Presumably any HDMI inputs are simply pass through to the panel anyway?

Being new to AV receivers - how true is this? I was looking to get an AV receiver anyway, so would I simply be wasting money if I bought the A, as presumably the media box would simply be unused - I don't plan to use terrestial TV (or at least have not done so for the past 4-5 years!).

One thing that the media box did look promising was the DNLA network capability. I sometimes (albeit rarely) stream, HD movies from my XBox360/Vista setup. If I got the A version, would I be able to the same via the media box only (as my wife has suggested I should put the Xbox360 in my office, and leave the main TV alone!).

Oh yes, I'm looking to spend about £5-600 on the AV receiver, possibly more if there's a great jump in functionality/quality for not too great a jump in price!

Thanks for all your advice.

[Turbe]

Originally Posted by mrwhoppit

Time to upgrade my 8 year old NEC 42MP2

Originally Posted by mrwhoppit

I have to say the NEC has been the business and gone on working far longer than I expected. Back in 2000 as I recall the choice was the afore mentioned, Fujitsu or Panasonic. Don't remember any Pioneer offering or possibly out of my budget!
It's not so easy to check NEC out now of course as even more out of the domestic market.
Is there a particular model you are suggesting?

NEC engineers went to Pioneer, in fact, several of them worked on the 9G Monitors (Signature Elite PRO-101FD / PRO-141FD and KRP-500M / KRP-600M).. This was a different engineering group than the one that worked on the 9G TV's (all models but the Monitors).

[kingfats]

Originally Posted by chiholam

I told them that I had normal Sky, and component versions of Xbox360 and Wii. Whilst I do intend to switch to Sky HD in the future, it'll need to be able to support Scart (Sky) and component for the 2 consoles. DVD currently uses Scart, but that'll be switched for one with HDMI during the move/HC setup.

Sevenoaks told me that a decent AV receiver would be able to convert the RGB Scart (Sky), and the components (XB360/Wii) to HDMI without any problems (and no loss of picture quality). Presumably any HDMI inputs are simply pass through to the panel anyway?

[SIZE=2]Being new to AV receivers - how true is this? ]

Hi chiholam.
Most good amps will convert component and send over HDMI no problem or just connect direct to the screen (if you want) the M accepts 1008p over component,which is a plus.
Scart is an issue though some kind of adaptor needed? i'll leave to someone else.
Cheers.

[chiholam]

Thanks kingfats. Yea, I think Scart is the problem too - not sure where I can find a Scart RGB convertor, or at least not for a decent price.

Presumably there's nothing inherently 'wrong' with using an AV receiver with the media box? I suppose it would be the non-Scarts (component and HDMI) into the AV receiver, and the Scarts (and the HDMI out from AV receiver) into the media box?

Thanks, Chi

[malcolmk]

Originally Posted by chiholam

One thing that the media box did look promising was the DNLA network capability. I sometimes (albeit rarely) stream, HD movies from my XBox360/Vista setup. If I got the A version, would I be able to the same via the media box only (as my wife has suggested I should put the Xbox360 in my office, and leave the main TV alone!

'A' models stream HD movies easily. Keep the woman happy!

[kingfats]

Originally Posted by chiholam

Presumably there's nothing inherently 'wrong' with using an AV receiver with the media box? I suppose it would be the non-Scarts (component and HDMI) into the AV receiver, and the Scarts (and the HDMI out from AV receiver) into the media box?

Thanks, Chi

Certainly nothing wrong with that route mate.
Happy Christmas.

[TheDoctor]

The 'M' can accept a 48Hz signal from a video processor (via HDMI) and leave it as it is. Therefore, no messing around with Pure Cinema settings and no converting of 24Hz to 72Hz (which caused lip sync issues for me when using a video processor).

The 'A' may also be able to do this but I'm not sure.

[wHoMe]

Originally Posted by chiholam

Hi!

I'm in this same quandry - do I get a M or an A. I don't have an AV receiver at the moment, and new setup will be replacing a Hitachi plasma which had the tuner box coupled with a Sony All in One DVD/Amp/Speaker. I'm moving house as well, so basically taking the opportunity to set up a good HC system with the panel and speakers properly hung in the wall with all the cables stuck in the wall. With the set up of the room, the cable will have to be at least 5Ms long (I understand I can get a 10M cable for the A version)

I was looking at the A (before I even knew of a M), and talking to Sevenoaks, they basically asked whether I needed the media box. They told me that I could just get the M (and save £200 compared to the A) and an AV receiver instead, and have a single HDMI cable from it to the TV; possibly at the same time also plug in the second HMDI cable in the TV as spare in case I ever wanted to use it. The 5m Chord HDMI cable was ablout the same cost of the 10M A cable, so no difference in cost there (well, if I don't included the second spare HDMI cable)

I told them that I had normal Sky, and component versions of Xbox360 and Wii. Whilst I do intend to switch to Sky HD in the future, it'll need to be able to support Scart (Sky) and component for the 2 consoles. DVD currently uses Scart, but that'll be switched for one with HDMI during the move/HC setup.

Sevenoaks told me that a decent AV receiver would be able to convert the RGB Scart (Sky), and the components (XB360/Wii) to HDMI without any problems (and no loss of picture quality). Presumably any HDMI inputs are simply pass through to the panel anyway?

Being new to AV receivers - how true is this? I was looking to get an AV receiver anyway, so would I simply be wasting money if I bought the A, as presumably the media box would simply be unused - I don't plan to use terrestial TV (or at least have not done so for the past 4-5 years!).

One thing that the media box did look promising was the DNLA network capability. I sometimes (albeit rarely) stream, HD movies from my XBox360/Vista setup. If I got the A version, would I be able to the same via the media box only (as my wife has suggested I should put the Xbox360 in my office, and leave the main TV alone!).

Oh yes, I'm looking to spend about £5-600 on the AV receiver, possibly more if there's a great jump in functionality/quality for not too great a jump in price!

Thanks for all your advice.

Thought the Wii had Composite only not Component

Do you intend on getting the AV receiver and speakers at exactly the same time as the screen because if not what are you going to do for audio as the M doesn't have any audio outs so you would need the M speakers

I currently don't have an AV amp so went for the A so I could use the analogue outs to my audio amp that way I could have more time to demo some receivers and speakers and make the correct choice, you could probably use the optical or analogue outs to your sony

Just because you have a receiver doesn't mean the media box has to become redundant not everyone plugs all sources into there amp as they prefer the direct approach and you certainly wont ever run out of connections having both

BBC HD is a nice little bonus as well

I know how you feel though I nearly changed my order from the A to the M but now I'm glad I got the A

[jezclayton]

Taking account of your requirements I would forget you ever saw the M and stick with the A. I have never regretted having the separate media box on my 6th generation and I don't even have the added complication of scart leads to accommodate.

If you read your own post, you have already given enough reasons to rule the M out.

[DELUCAS]

coming from a pioneer screen with media box there is allways 1 more thing to go wrong and they do !!

How many times did pioneer do a swap out with the media boxes of failing i lost count !!

thats why i went for 500M screen only to yam amp via one 5 meter hdmi cable !!

[Archie007]

A couple of questions

Does the 'M' still have a separate box?

If it doesnt, are the two hdmi sockets horizontal, causing problems for large HDMI plugs (between plasma and wall - will be wall hung) or vertical - no problems for plugs

Also, there is no 'M' shown on the Pioneer UK web site on the current model page - does this mean its been replaced?

Thanks

[andrewfee]

Originally Posted by Archie007

Does the 'M' still have a separate box?

If it doesnt, are the two hdmi sockets horizontal, causing problems for large HDMI plugs (between plasma and wall - will be wall hung) or vertical - no problems for plugs

All the connections for the M are on the back of the set (no media box) and are vertical.

Originally Posted by Archie007

Also, there is no 'M' shown on the Pioneer UK web site on the current model page - does this mean its been replaced?

Pioneer Flat Screen TVs

[hopeless]

no its still there. its listed under monitor not tv:

KRP-600M Pioneer Flat Screen TVs

edit, doh beaten to it

[Archie007]

Originally Posted by andrewfee

All the connections for the M are on the back of the set are vertical.

Just to clarify, the 2 HDMI sockets are facing downwards, is that correct?

Thanks