[SlingShotUK]

Originally Posted by Gordon @ Convergent AV

Slingshot: I'd use the blue filter and then forget about red and green filter. Just use some programme material. If you see what look like red or green push then turn down colour a notch or two and review.

Your idea of how to set contrast is good. However, as well as looking for the differnetiation between those stripes you also want to look at the colour of all the stripes. On some sets it's possible to push one set of phosphor in to clipping so you still see the delinetion but the colour at top is shifted away from mid and low tones. I'd say find the clipping point for white like you have then knock it back so you see the bars...then knock it back a few steps more to give you some headroom.

Gordon

Excellent, thanks Gordon. I'll reset tint tonight then but leave colour at +5 which is where the blue looks correct.

Contrast wise I think it was about 42 that clipping was really clear so I dropped it down by 4. When I checked some HD material after the colour and contrast settings things really lept out of the screen - look incredible. So hopefully I've got the settings about right.

So, out of interest what is happening when I adjust tint and make red and green look right? Just changing blues shows the red and green as being imbalanced. And you dont think going into the colour management settings and altering green and red individually could help to correct this rather than use tint?

[Gordon @ Convergent AV]

Originally Posted by SlingShotUK

Heh heh, superb - I'll have to re-watch that later.

Thanks for the information Gordon. I wasn't inferring you were making anything up, I was just confused as to why they include the green and red if they aren't useful. I thought the point was to calibrate blue and then make sure green and red were right and correct if not. I did this and then found green and red were off so used tint to correct it.

They give you the set as they wil be accurate with some displays....just unlikely to be accurate with yours.

[Gordon @ Convergent AV]

When you adjust tint to get red and green right looking through the filters you are most likely NOT making them right. You're making it look correct through fitlers that are not showing you an accurate representation of what is happening with the colour decoder as the red filter is showing you some green and blue light that is contaminating the results you see....and the same with green filter.....

[hAx0R]

hi there,
does anyone know the dimensions of the 5090 boxed?

cheers

[kingfats]

Originally Posted by Gordon @ Convergent AV

. At contrast 60 you'd be kicking the living daylights out of it.

The Dynamic preset seems to be pretty vile i wonder how high the contrast is on that?

[SlingShotUK]

Originally Posted by Gordon @ Convergent AV

Also...just because the scale goes to 60 doesn't mean it is going to be ok to run it at that level. At contrast 60 you'd be kicking the living daylights out of it.

Well of course.. I'd never advocate going anywhere near that. Just pointing out tha 38 isn't that bad when the top limit is 60. As I said, it clips badly at 42.

[SlingShotUK]

Originally Posted by Gordon @ Convergent AV

They give you the set as they wil be accurate with some displays....just unlikely to be accurate with yours.

Out of interest why do you think the 5090 won't be accurate using the colour bars?

[Gordon @ Convergent AV]

sLINGSHOT: I am not saying it wont be accurate with colour bars. I am saying you use a colour bar reference test pattern to work out if the colour decoder is accurate. You need a tool to measure this. It may be correct, it may be wrong.

My comment was about the filters....and I explained why in posts below
4564 and 4574

[SlingShotUK]

Originally Posted by Gordon @ Convergent AV

sLINGSHOT: I am not saying it wont be accurate with colour bars. I am saying you use a colour bar reference test pattern to work out if the colour decoder is accurate. You need a tool to measure this. It may be correct, it may be wrong.

My comment was about the filters....and I explained why in posts below
4564 and 4574

I was just confused as to why they would be accurate on *some* sets just not likely to be on the Pioneer and why DVE supply these strips when they are aimed at peope who do not have professional equipment.

I'm sorry if I not understading what you are saying...

I would like to know if my question above about using the colour management controls (individual settings for green and red) could be used with the strips though. I assume the answer is no though..

[Gordon @ Convergent AV]

They give them out as it's a MARKETING tool and the blue is better than nothing. They only ever gave out BLUE with the original video essentials Laserdisc and DVD.

The spectral characteristics of a Pioneer plasma, UHP Lamped projector a Xenon lamp projector, an LCD direct view TV are all different from a SMPTEC phosphor set direct view TV.

Re the CMS of the Pioneer. I advise against any use of it for red green primary gamut adjustment uless you have tools to measure the effects it's having on other facets of the sets performance.

[SlingShotUK]

Originally Posted by Gordon @ Convergent AV

They give them out as it's a MARKETING tool and the blue is better than nothing. They only ever gave out BLUE with the original video essentials Laserdisc and DVD.

The spectral characteristics of a Pioneer plasma, UHP Lamped projector a Xenon lamp projector, an LCD direct view TV are all different from a SMPTEC phosphor set direct view TV.

Re the CMS of the Pioneer. I advise against any use of it for red green primary gamut adjustment uless you have tools to measure the effects it's having on other facets of the sets performance.

Thanks Gordon, that does make sense.. I do have the original video essentials and notice that it only provides the blue.. Seems abit silly of them to give out the others if they really are of little use.

Yeah, if the red / green colour bars are useless then there is no point playing with the CMS to try and calibrate to them. I'll reset the tint setting later and stick to the setting the blue calibrates to.

Thanks for the help..

[PioFreak]

Originally Posted by The_Reaper

yer when playing fifa the info in the corner on the pio says,
720p ?
then how do i take upscale on

I don't have my setup going right now, because I am moving into a new house next week. So I can't look at the menu exactly, and I am too lazy to go online to see the menus.

But....The upscaling options (normal, double, full, off, etc.) refer to how the PS3 handles SD DVD's. This has nothing to do with PS3 games. If you want the Pioneer to handle all the scaling then select of SD-DVD's then selct "off" for the upscaling options. Then the PS3 will send the native SD-DVD resolution to the Pioneer display where the Pio will scale it. Selecting any other option will have the PS3 scale the native resolution of the SD-DVD.

To scale a PS3 game from 720p to 1080p you can either have the PS3 scale it OR the Pio panel. To have the PS3 scale the game you must deselect every resoultion EXCEPT 1080p in the XMB. Don't select HDMI--->automatic. (This will automatically detect whoch resolutions your TV supports and will send those resolutions to your TV (to scale if neccessary). Select HDMI---->manual.... And then manually deselect EVERY reslution except 1080p. Now the PS3 thinks that 1080p is the ONLY resolution your TV accepts (even though your Pio panel will accept ANY resolution and scale that to its' fixed 1080p resolution).....and the PS3 will scale any resolution other than 1080p to 1080p and send that to the Pio panel. So you are kinda of tricking the PS3 into thinking your TV can only accept 1080p, thus FORCING the PS3 to scale all non 1080p resolutions to 1080p.

That is the explanation and instructions, but here are the simplified instructions for how to scale a game that is 720p to 1080p either way.

1) Pio panel does the scaling: select Display---->HDMI----->automatic.

2) PS3 does the scaling: select Display---->HDMI----->manual....then uncheck EVERY resolution except 1080p.

[SlingShotUK]

Originally Posted by PioFreak

I don't have my setup going right now, because I am moving into a new house next week. So I can't look at the menu exactly, and I am too lazy to go online to see the menus.

But....The upscaling options (normal, double, full, off, etc.) refer to how the PS3 handles SD DVD's. This has nothing to do with PS3 games. If you want the Pioneer to handle all the scaling then select of SD-DVD's then selct "off" for the upscaling options. Then the PS3 will send the native SD-DVD resolution to the Pioneer display where the Pio will scale it. Selecting any other option will have the PS3 scale the native resolution of the SD-DVD.

To scale a PS3 game from 720p to 1080p you can either have the PS3 scale it OR the Pio panel. To have the PS3 scale the game you must deselect every resoultion EXCEPT 1080p in the XMB. Don't select HDMI--->automatic. (This will automatically detect whoch resolutions your TV supports and will send those resolutions to your TV (to scale if neccessary). Select HDMI---->manual.... And then manually deselect EVERY reslution except 1080p. Now the PS3 thinks that 1080p is the ONLY resolution your TV accepts (even though your Pio panel will accept ANY resolution and scale that to its' fixed 1080p resolution).....and the PS3 will scale any resolution other than 1080p to 1080p and send that to the Pio panel. So you are kinda of tricking the PS3 into thinking your TV can only accept 1080p, thus FORCING the PS3 to scale all non 1080p resolutions to 1080p.

That is the explanation and instructions, but here are the simplified instructions for how to scale a game that is 720p to 1080p either way.

1) Pio panel does the scaling: select Display---->HDMI----->automatic.

2) PS3 does the scaling: select Display---->HDMI----->manual....then uncheck EVERY resolution except 1080p.

But to do that the game *must* support 1080p. If it doesnt the PS3 will output the game in SD.

[TomJones83]

I had a demo of the 5090H(5090 with satellite tuner) today and watched Transformers on dvd and Die hard 4 on blu-ray. Die hard was provided by the Lx70A set to 1080p/24 with the panel set to movie mode and "dot by dot". The contrast ratio, black level, depth and detail were fantastic! Motion handling was also excellent with no judder or blurring. Impressive!

Transformers on dvd surprised me actually, for a moment I actually thought I was watching the hd-dvd! The dvd player was sending native 576i and the Pio did a fine job of scaling and deinterlacing the signal, the video processing is first rate for sure.

These panels certainly deliver the goods when it comes to PQ and I have no choice but to open my wallet and become a member of the esteemed Pioneer owners club Hopefully I will receive my panel next week, can't wait!

[rupertisalive]

Hello there - been watching this thread for a while and have really valued the great contributions you make. I took the happy plunge and replaced my 508XD with a 6090 (mostly justified 'cos it is bigger), and very good it is too.

I know there have been a couple of posts on scalers and these TVs and I thought you might like to hear of my experience. I set up the TV about a week ago with my DVDO VP30+ABT in line - scaling to 1080p. It looked better at the time than the raw feed from Sky HD and DVD...

However, over time I noticed some weird effects - presumably as the TV was bedding in, and becoming more 'what it is really like'. Specifically I was noticing fairly subtle but obvious flashing red/green blotches (about the diameter of a small ball) in background greys (it was as if the TV was searching for exactly the right shade but could quite decide), and I found I had to turn the brightness way down to -2 (which is way below what bumtious recommends, probably a bit far off even for a different batch).

So I spoke to steve at TLC (where I bought it from) and he recommended I try taking the DVDO out of the chain. Hey presto! Just a perfect image! To be honest, now the TV has a few hours under its belt, I really can't see what the DVDO was adding after all - except some weird effects.

Would be interesting to see if anyone else has tried it and got similar interactions.

Anyway, my thinking is
a) if you have a scaler and one of these TVs think carefully about whether you want to use it - have a really good look at whether it is adding anything desirable, and actually is it doing anything nasty?
b) If you have one of these TVs and are thinking about a scaler - make sure you get a demo!
c) Positively, it does suggest that the quality of the electronics in these TVs is pretty good. I don't have the most amazing 'eye' but I am more discerning than average, I think, and I really couldn't tell the difference between an expensive dedicated scaler image and the TVs own efforts (acknowledging that the TV is always processing whatever it is fed).

Anyone want a VP30? Probably not the place to sell it now...

[kingfats]

Originally Posted by TomJones83

Transformers on dvd surprised me actually, for a moment I actually thought I was watching the hd-dvd! The dvd player was sending native 576i and the Pio did a fine job of scaling and deinterlacing the signal, the video processing is first rate for sure.

!

Agree with that.

[Gordon @ Convergent AV]

I think this just shows that scalers need to be set up properly and that the VP30 isn't that great an upscaler for your display......hahaha...

For an alternative view on using a scaler with a Kuro have a read of this from the definative online guide to video processing, be it scalers, bd, hd or dvd players.

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/acces...processor.html

[jitla71]

Hi Everyone

Does anyone have any setting for the pdp lx 5090, which is used with normal sky digital??
any information would be appreciated, as i want to get the optimal imahe quality.
Btw this plasma is well worth the money.

Thanks

[kingfats]

Originally Posted by jitla71

Hi Everyone

Does anyone have any setting for the pdp lx 5090, which is used with normal sky digital??
any information would be appreciated, as i want to get the optimal imahe quality.
Btw this plasma is well worth the money.

Thanks

Here you go mate can be used with all sources.

[rupertisalive]

Originally Posted by Gordon @ Convergent AV

I think this just shows that scalers need to be set up properly and that the VP30 isn't that great an upscaler for your display......hahaha...

For an alternative view on using a scaler with a Kuro have a read of this from the definative online guide to video processing, be it scalers, bd, hd or dvd players.

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/acces...processor.html

Your response is a little patronising. The article gives a lot of detail about the workings of this Radiance, but it gives a VERY short glimpse of what it looks like with a specific display. This seems quite negligent and glib, given that many users might consider partnering the two. I makes me suspicious because the article mainly talks in general terms.

I think my comments stand, and yours support them; the pioneer gives a great picture, as good as the DVDO (albeit on its standrad settings), the DVDO is a dedicated processor. Whether or not interacts well with the Pioneer says 'don't buy before you try' or have had a VERY good look at what the effects of such expensive devices are.

The subtext is that scaling is all a bit of an expensive, and black, art...too much fuss for me when the Pio puts out such a great picture on its own, and without calibration...

[ChundanaUK]

Originally Posted by SlingShotUK

The scaler is only applicable to PS2 games though is it not? I imagine that the Pioneer can probably do a pretty good job of upscaling these games than the PS3 though, like you say.

For PS3 games it depends on what they support. If the game only supports 720p, you can't get the PS3 to output it in 1080p so the Pioneer will do the scaling as normal. However, if it supports 1080p - even if the game isn't 1080p internally - then I think it's best to let the PS3 output in that mode.
The weird thing with GTA 4 is that it supports 1080p but will always default to 720p. Therefore you have to force it in 1080 by telling the PS3 that your TV only supports SD and 1080p..

I don't know if it's because I have a 1080p native panel but the game really does look much better when output in 1080p mode. As the PS3 isn't doing any scaling, I assume that the game itself must be rendering at 1080p and it appears to do a great job of it. When I switch into 720p mode it just doesn't look at nice..

On the contary though in my case, i've spent a fair amount of time (too much) trying to find the most suitable settings as regards to the PS3 upscaling on the 5090, and have come to the conclusion that it's better to allow the ps3 to upscale than the tv, likewise with dvd the cleanest pic is when i have the ps3 output dvd @ 1080i. Otherwise i find the image too hazy, this is with Bumtious setting btw....would be interested if anybody thinks the same.

[Meridius]

@ bumtious or anyone

I have theLX50 pluged into my tv now there are a couple of options that i dont know what to pick

1 the hdmi has 3 colour selections RGB, Component, Full RGB which one do i pick i have it set to component at the moment.

2 this dvd player has purecinama as well it has AUTO, drive 1 drive 2 what do i pick ? its on auto at the moment

also another question i have tried 576i and 1080p and there does not seem to be much diffrence i dont know but i am sure the 1080p is a littile more sharp to me could be wroung but would of thought the tv would do a better job than the player ?.

i dont know whcih to use what ever i use 576i or 1080p the settigns on the tv will be the same anyway is this right ?

thanks for any help

[kingfats]

Originally Posted by ChundanaUK

, likewise with dvd the cleanest pic is when i have the ps3 output dvd @ 1080i. Otherwise i find the image too hazy, this is with Bumtious setting btw....would be interested if anybody thinks the same.

This is just my opinion of course but personally i don't think the PS3's DVD playback does the Pioneer justice to be honest.

[kingfats]

Originally Posted by Meridius

@ bumtious or anyone

I have theLX50 pluged into my tv now there are a couple of options that i dont know what to pick

1 the hdmi has 3 colour selections RGB, Component, Full RGB which one do i pick i have it set to component at the moment.

2 this dvd player has purecinama as well it has AUTO, drive 1 drive 2 what do i pick ? its on auto at the moment

also another question i have tried 576i and 1080p and there does not seem to be much diffrence i dont know but i am sure the 1080p is a littile more sharp to me could be wroung but would of thought the tv would do a better job than the player ?.

i dont know whcih to use what ever i use 576i or 1080p the settigns on the tv will be the same anyway is this right ?

thanks for any help

Hi Meridius.
I would go with RGB.
AUTO.
576i will end up as 1080p just choose which looks best to you.Watch a few movies/programmes first though with either setting,and then make your mind up. (576i leaves the TV to do all the processing)
All the best.

[ChundanaUK]

Originally Posted by kingfats

This is just my opinion of course but personally i don't think the PS3's DVD playback does the Pioneer justice to be honest.

Thanks for the feedback , it's interesting to see the varied opinions that people give. I think an ISF is in order, ohh god i've just paid 185 quid to have my staff castrated....what are my priorities like eh

[kingfats]

Originally Posted by ChundanaUK

ohh god i've just paid 185 quid to have my staff castrated....what are my priorities like eh

Ouch.

[Stuart]

Another review of the 5090

http://www.trustedreviews.com/tvs/re...n-Plasma-TV/p1

Verdict

Try as I might, nothing I can write in this review can do full justice to the truly extraordinary picture quality of the LX5090. You have to see it to fully believe it. So if I were you I'd start begging, borrowing or saving the necessary cash so that you can get one at home and start ‘seeing' it for yourself as soon as humanly possible.

[Meridius]

Originally Posted by kingfats

Hi Meridius.
I would go with RGB.
AUTO.
576i will end up as 1080p just choose which looks best to you.Watch a few movies/programmes first though with either setting,and then make your mind up. (576i leaves the TV to do all the processing)
All the best.

if i selected 576i and let the tv do all the work how come when i select 1080p on the dvd player it looks just as good or maybe just maybe a littile sharper i thoguth the tv would do a better job than the dvd player ?????

when the tv gets the 1080p pictures is there any processing from the tv at all i just thought the lx50 ould not do a good job compaired to the tv am i missing somthing ?

also the lx50 is a craking player my mate came over before and he said i see you just bought a blu ray becasue he thought the picture was pin sharp and very detailed, he could not beleave it when i toled him it was just a dvd player had to prove it to him as well.

i must say all my dvds are going to look very good

[YellowSphere]

Some people have bought the LX50 for its ability to send a good 576i signal, but have found its upscaling slightly better than the television. Nothing wrong with that, and if you agree, all you need to do is make sure the TV is set in dot-by-dot mode.

[kingfats]

Originally Posted by Meridius

if i selected 576i and let the tv do all the work how come when i select 1080p on the dvd player it looks just as good or maybe just maybe a littile sharper i thoguth the tv would do a better job than the dvd player ?????

Hi Meridius.
If you prefer to send 1080p then send 1080p.
Only you can decide what gives you the best picture presentation.
All the best.