[TheBlueRaja]

Hi all,
Ive noticed on my PX60 that the response time leaves a lot to be desired really, it seems to echo the picture as a camera pans accross a shot. Not by much mind but its noticable.

I was aware of this issue on LCD's but im suprised to see it on a top line plasma.

Im not 100% sure its the telly thouhg as on my Xbox its not so noticeable somehow, but it is clear on my feed from Sky (scart).

Has anyone else noticed this and would changing the input from scart to another type of feed help (is this even possible?

[johnfbr]

Only had mine since friday but have seen nothing like this- Xbox is stunning so is DVD , both via component. Sky via scart also good though some channels better than others.

i refer to another post i made, which describes the phenomena abit

http://www.avforums.com/forums/showt...51#post2705751

[Steve_P]

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

... but it is clear on my feed from Sky (scart).

Has anyone else noticed this and would changing the input from scart to another type of feed help (is this even possible?

You say SCART but SCART is just a connection type... it can carry various different types of video signal, e.g. composite, S-Video or RGB signals. Are you sure your Sky box is outputting an RGB signal and not a composite video signal? The difference in quality is quite shocking. You need to check your Sky box settings and then check the signal is being fed to a RGB capable SCART on the PX60.

S.

[TheBlueRaja]

Originally Posted by Steve_P

You say SCART but SCART is just a connection type... it can carry various different types of video signal, e.g. composite, S-Video or RGB signals. Are you sure your Sky box is outputting an RGB signal and not a composite video signal? The difference in quality is quite shocking. You need to check your Sky box settings and then check the signal is being fed to a RGB capable SCART on the PX60.

S.

Yup - RGB is set up for this connection.

Looks like something i just need to get used too unfortuantely.

[choddo2006]

I wonder if it's a deinterlacing artefect rather than response time? Might explain why it doesn't affect the xbox if that's set to progscan.

I read an interview with a big cheese at Panasonic where he said plasmas refresh thousands of times a second, totally different from LCDs. I've certainly never noticed LCD style blurring on a plasma.

[sdb123]

Slightly off topic...but my LCD doesn't blur Admittedly some do...but not all

[Mep]

Originally Posted by sdb123

Slightly off topic...but my LCD doesn't blur Admittedly some do...but not all

slightly??

[sdb123]

Nope

[kevlar]

I got my 42px60 a few days ago, haven't played my 360 on there too much but last night I noticed the blur, and frankly I'm horrified. I've held out buying a plasma for years and finally jumped in thinking now was the time, a well respected make and the right price but it seems I was wrong. I was reasonably impressed with the tv until last night when I played farcry on there for a few hours, after a while I thought something was bugging me about the picture, then I spotted it, a terrible green smudge surrounding anything moving at a resonable speed, like straffing or turning your head in a fps. It almost looks like a tv where one of the 3 colour elements is missaligned. Now I can't help noticing it. If you want to see if you have the same I sugest standing about 6 feet away from the corner of a building in farcry or ghost recon and moving from side to side. I've tried taking a photograph of it, by using the freeze frame button on the remote, but it stops at a fully settled frame every time. Tried just taking a photo while I'm actually moving but the shutter speed on my camera is too slow and shows the whole screen as a blur. The response time on this tv must be staggeringly slow.

Can someone with a vga lead please test and see if the results are the same?
By the way I've tried 720p and 1080i, am connected with component lead and have tried fiddling around with all the picture settings.

Gutted.

Kevlar

its a plasma thing, the green colour when picture is in motion. it was the same on my 42pa50/42pe50 panasonic plasma, their previous plasma generation. it occurs with the blur. not much you can do with it, im afraid :/

[kevlar]

It may be normal for some blurring in plasma's but this bad? I really wasn't expecting anything this bad. About 10 years ago I had a tv where one of the colours was out of alignment, it reminds me exactly of that when in motion. I can't believe this is the best plasma has to offer.

[kevlar]

Is it possible that my plasma is faulty or needs calibrating or something? I can't believe if everyones is as bad as mine that there aren't more comments about, you can't help but notice it and as most people who visit this forum would be fairly fussy about these things I would expect a lot of complaints if they are all like mine. It's not just games either, I'm seeing it all the time whenever something moves fast on the screen. I've stayed clear of lcd displays as it is well know lcd tv's with poor response time give blurry picture when something moves fast but I didn't know it was a plasma issue too. To make matters worse I've just sold my 3 yr old son fs76, boy have I made a mistake. This tv sucks.

Well I've got a PV500 and after nearly one year I haven't seen any blurring except for SD channels.

With HD I don't see any blurring at all. So I figure it has something to do with poor MPG compression. But maybe I'm not on the same page here..

[sweetmate]

No blurring on my PX60 here, and I've still not seen this green smudge.

What do you have the pictures settings on?

[kevlar]

Originally Posted by k0rn

Well I've got a PV500 and after nearly one year I haven't seen any blurring except for SD channels.

With HD I don't see any blurring at all. So I figure it has something to do with poor MPG compression. But maybe I'm not on the same page here..

I really am starting to think my plasma is faulty, please, other px60 owners, confirm for me wether you have the ' green glow ' around anything that moves quickly. Easiest way to see it is with a 360,corners of buidings in farcry or graw, or on burnout I can clearly see it when the camera pans around the wheels of your car at the start of a race.

[kevlar]

Originally Posted by sweetmate

No blurring on my PX60 here, and I've still not seen this green smudge.

What do you have the pictures settings on?

I'm on run in settings atm, cinema mode, brightness/contrast midway, tried sharpness right up or down, tried pnr all settings, 1080i and 720p. If you aren't seeing it then you don't have it. You can't miss it on mine. As I've said before it looks just like a colour ellement is out of line, you know like a missaligned crt projector. Only like it with movement though.

Originally Posted by kevlar

I really am starting to think my plasma is faulty, please, other px60 owners, confirm for me wether you have the ' green glow ' around anything that moves quickly. Easiest way to see it is with a 360,corners of buidings in farcry or graw, or on burnout I can clearly see it when the camera pans around the wheels of your car at the start of a race.

I don't know if your plasma is faulty - but this is an issue with plasmas in general on occasion. It doesn't occur in all fast moving scenes but on some (note not all) scenes involving fast movement and high contrast (i.e. whites on black or vice versa). Most games look absolutely stunning (checkout something like full auto demo or Burnout revenge demo off the top of my head) with no green haze at all. Tbh if your not happy with it, you're buggered, because the only other option is LCD which has its own problems and cannot provide as good a pic as plasma at these sizes (and make no doubt about it, the pic on the panny for dvd playback is outstanding and probably the best I've seen).

[Tommymang]

Originally Posted by k0rn

Well I've got a PV500 and after nearly one year I haven't seen any blurring except for SD channels.

With HD I don't see any blurring at all. So I figure it has something to do with poor MPG compression. But maybe I'm not on the same page here..

I have checked this on the PV500, same thing! Seen it with certain DVDs (RGB scart) and with xbox360 games (component). I'm afraid you don't know what the problem looks like.

[Tommymang]

Originally Posted by kevlar

I really am starting to think my plasma is faulty, please, other px60 owners, confirm for me wether you have the ' green glow ' around anything that moves quickly. Easiest way to see it is with a 360,corners of buidings in farcry or graw, or on burnout I can clearly see it when the camera pans around the wheels of your car at the start of a race.

Don't worry, your plasma isn't faulty. This is a known issue with plasma screens...

[kevlar]

Originally Posted by Tommymang

Don't worry, your plasma isn't faulty. This is a known issue with plasma screens...

Well it's not very well known!. Lots of people on here have been saying how awesome their 360 is on their HD plasma, hardly a mention of this effect, and to me its unmissable. Personally I think we have all been conned into a new technology that really isn't up to the job. As far as I know response times aren't quoted for plasma screens, but they are always quoted for lcd screens because it is a major spec indicating the quality of picture to expect. Why is that? I can't see any lcd blurring more than what I am witnessing here. Sometime today I am going to try to capture the effect in a video clip and will post a link to it, hopefully someone here will tell me that it shouldn't be as bad as it is so I can get an engineer out to look at it.

[Tommymang]

Originally Posted by kevlar

Well it's not very well known!. Lots of people on here have been saying how awesome their 360 is on their HD plasma, hardly a mention of this effect, and to me its unmissable. Personally I think we have all been conned into a new technology that really isn't up to the job. As far as I know response times aren't quoted for plasma screens, but they are always quoted for lcd screens because it is a major spec indicating the quality of picture to expect. Why is that? I can't see any lcd blurring more than what I am witnessing here. Sometime today I am going to try to capture the effect in a video clip and will post a link to it, hopefully someone here will tell me that it shouldn't be as bad as it is so I can get an engineer out to look at it.

Hi,

Hope you succeed in taking a picture/video of this. I think that 90% of plasma owners aren't that demanding. But I also think it's annoying, we'll have to live with it I guess. The problem is that once you know it's there, you'll notice it even more.

Keep us posted

Thanks!

[kevlar]

Here are the promised video clips, hope this works, never done it before.

can't miss that!

Same here

watch the wheels

I'm hoping someone will say, ' that ain't right, get it fixed '

Watching the effect on video seems even worse. It doesn't look quite that bad to me, but I can't help seeing it.

[thewul]

i see it on mine and i have a 360 connected via vga, also see it on sky via scart( rgb),battlestar galactica shows it up well with its sweeping cameras. i believe its to do with "decay time" of the plasma cell....as in its not switched on and off like an lcd pixel but charged up then the charge is removed, this means that on very fast moving pictures especially when the edge is light next to dark, when the charge is removed the infomation dosnt dissapear it fades.
its more noticable when your watching a black and white film.
its a bit like rainbows on a dlp projector, some people see them some dont and some people do but can live with it.
its not just common to the px60 or even panasonic i`ve seen it on 2 pio 436`s and a hitachi as well ( flame suit on )

[Tommymang]

Originally Posted by kevlar

Here are the promised video clips, hope this works, never done it before.


watch the wheels

I'm hoping someone will say, ' that ain't right, get it fixed '

Watching the effect on video seems even worse. It doesn't look quite that bad to me, but I can't help seeing it.

Yes it's the same as with my Plasma (42PV60). Maybe specific settings can reduce this effect, anyone? Or will it be less noticable after a certain number of play time?

As you can see it's always when a bright part of the screen is quickly followed by a dark part. So I guess it's correct to say that these plasmacells can't immediately switch from bright to dark.

Nicely done btw, hope these videos open the eyes of the people that don't see this effect once and for all ;-)

[TheBlueRaja]

Originally Posted by kevlar

Here are the promised video clips, hope this works, never done it before.

can't miss that!

Same here

watch the wheels

I'm hoping someone will say, ' that ain't right, get it fixed '

Watching the effect on video seems even worse. It doesn't look quite that bad to me, but I can't help seeing it.

WOW, thats - bad!

I just loaded up Burnout on my 360 and looked long and hard for this effect and i get nothing like what you have shown, in fact i cant even see a green blur like your video clearly shows.

Im connected via my 360 at 720p on component and i cant even see any hint of green blur never mind what you see.

Can you try via component and see if the effect remains?

EDIT: I can sort of see it if i press the big xbox button on the controller to bring up the control panel on my 360 but i assure you its something you have to look for otherwise you would never notice it.

Unlike what you have.

[shrimp3r]

Originally Posted by kevlar

Here are the promised video clips, hope this works, never done it before.

can't miss that!

Same here

watch the wheels

I'm hoping someone will say, ' that ain't right, get it fixed '

Watching the effect on video seems even worse. It doesn't look quite that bad to me, but I can't help seeing it.

Yep, I get the same effect on GRAW and I've seen it once when watching The Apprentice. Taking the Plasma as a whole, I'll forgive it this problem - I'm not sure if you'll ever find the perfect screen, there seems to always be somekind of compromise to make. FWIW, I don't recall seeing this problem on the LG PX5D that I had (returned faulty, hence the PX60 now).

Mark Mac

Originally Posted by Tommymang

I have checked this on the PV500, same thing! Seen it with certain DVDs (RGB scart) and with xbox360 games (component). I'm afraid you don't know what the problem looks like.

Could very well be... but then again if I haven't discovered this issue I'm not really interested in finding out more about it. If it ain't broken, don't fix it, eh?

I'm already into the horizontal line thingy which bugs me from time to time... so no need to actively look other flaws that might be there.

[kevlar]

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Can you try via component and see if the effect remains?



Unlike what you have.

I am connected via component.

[thewul]

Originally Posted by kevlar

I am connected via component.

I have tried both component + vga