[clydebest]

In gamma adjustment their is a setting called Sforce, which I have set the tv too, is their any reason why I should not.To my eyes at least it gives the picture a bit of pop.

[Gordon @ Convergent AV]

Originally Posted by clydebest

In gamma adjustment their is a setting called Sforce, which I have set the tv too, is their any reason why I should not.To my eyes at least it gives the picture a bit of pop.

The S shaped gamma profile that this uses basically makes midtones brighter than they should be and dark tones darker than they should be. It makes it harder to see detail in both those areas but makes the image more "contrasty" to use a technical term. S shaped gamma is what photographers use a lot in photoshop to add POP to their images. It is not at all accurate though. If you like it then of course use it as it's your tv. If you want accuracy though then it's not advised and you will probably find that if you look with a critical eye it will be apparent that it makes things look incorrect.

Gordon

addition: Photographers use it to create the look they want on a final image. To view that image properly you would not then add this effect again. The photographer has already made the decision as to how he wishes his work viewed.

[Nevaborn]

Originally Posted by Gordon @ Convergent AV

Vat man gets 20%....NI and PAYE have a nice slice too....then there's fuel and wear and tear on car and tools.... Also its not like we're doing multiple calibrations a day.....I don't know any calibrators who are holidaying in the Bahamas....in fact i haven't changed my car in 8yrs and it's currently at 238,000 miles!

i suspect that most folk who post these sort of things do not work for themselves.

Yes didnt think of insurance etc.

There are many expenses involved but i prefer to think of the pq benefits lol

[saarnold]

Originally Posted by gadget man

Yes fair point but the other side of the coin is why spend so much in calibrating your TV when you have a band on the right hand side . I have been put of upgrading my TV because of the problems. I currently own a V20 not worth getting calibrated as floating blacks waste of money. When a perfect TV is made with no problems maybe just maybe i could justify the cost.

Hi gadget man,
very true what you are saying - i have spent the last 5 years finding a dealer/company/shop that have a good aftercare service for this very reason; that if you have a problem, a refund or exchange will not be problem and that you don't have to 'sweat' unduly when making a considered purchase. A hobbyist should try to cover all eventualities because of the long term investment he or she makes in their chosen hobby. My current dealers have bent over backwards to accommodate me - the last 2 purchases i have made ( 50VT30 and 50VT50 ) both have been exchanged twice without any objection even though i know that they personally lost out financially on the VT30 which they exchanged without/before speaking with Panasonic, knowing that Panasonic might not agree with the exchange.
As we all know, no tv is perfect but one should get what you pay for, and if you have spent £1000+ on a tv the next best thing is to find an accommodating dealer that is on the same page.

[Big]

Originally Posted by Gordon @ Convergent AV

Vat man gets 20%....NI and PAYE have a nice slice too....then there's fuel and wear and tear on car and tools.... Also its not like we're doing multiple calibrations a day.....I don't know any calibrators who are holidaying in the Bahamas....in fact i haven't changed my car in 8yrs and it's currently at 238,000 miles!

i suspect that most folk who post these sort of things do not work for themselves.

Being self-employed myself this failure to appreciate the differences between being self-employed and an employee is somewhat frustrating.

You are also forgetting to include the lack of paid annual leave, sick pay, & maternity leave, plus the potential to be work free at times and training for free in your own time. This is somewhat counterbalanced by the tax breaks for being self-employed, but it certainly isn't an unremitting cash cow.


My 65" is finally coming from John Lewis this evening. Has anyone posted recommended settings for the various processing features? I did have a trawl through the threads but struggled to find anything given the volume of information they contain!

[Gunner_Mike]

Hi, I've been considering a 50" VT for a few weeks now, and I'm going to have a demo of one tomorrow.

Can anyone help with suitable things I could take along to get the best out of the demo, particularly to see if I can see the DSEB? I'm hoping I'll demo one where either they don't exist, or at least I can't see them in normal tv.

I've seen lots of mention of slides of different colours and shades (eg 30% gray) that seem to be good for showing issues, where might I get those from?

Thanks all.

[Nik73]

This is the first tv I've had calibrated and, for me, it's absolutely worth it. My eyes tell me that! When you flick between a calibrated picture and an uncalibrated one there's a clear difference (the green is the most noticeable thing to me), but it's when you just watch and enjoy something, rather than scrutinising, that you notice how good a calibrated picture is even more, if that makes sense.
While there's no doubt the PQ on The Fifth Element blu ray is very good, I've never been blown away by it. Watching it last night was a revelation. The detail, depth and colours were beautiful, but natural as well. I never had this when I watched it on my GT50, so a big part of it is obviously the calibration.

[say33d]

For all those who have had experience with TPS Whats after sales like?

[middleweight]

Originally Posted by Nik73

This is the first tv I've had calibrated and, for me, it's absolutely worth it. My eyes tell me that! When you flick between a calibrated picture and an uncalibrated one there's a clear difference (the green is the most noticeable thing to me), but it's when you just watch and enjoy something, rather than scrutinising, that you notice how good a calibrated picture is even more, if that makes sense.
While there's no doubt the PQ on The Fifth Element blu ray is very good, I've never been blown away by it. Watching it last night was a revelation. The detail, depth and colours were beautiful, but natural as well. I never had this when I watched it on my GT50, so a big part of it is obviously the calibration.

think we get it now!!! yes get your screen, calibrated if you choose, only yourselfs can decide if its worth the money, in my view, its worth every penny

[Dellboy]

Spoke with Steve at TPS this morning. Pre calibrated 55vt50 arriving Thursday. Once I have clocked a few hours I'll be arranging with Steve for him to come down and calibrate with the Lumagen.

[millsey]

Those of you that have calibrated fiddy's, is there much difference between thx cinema & your calibrated pro1?
In all the reviews the difference was negligible, yet on here the reports would seem theirs a big difference.
I'm just curious to what differences you can see?

[kingkarl]

Originally Posted by Nik73

This is the first tv I've had calibrated and, for me, it's absolutely worth it. My eyes tell me that! When you flick between a calibrated picture and an uncalibrated one there's a clear difference (the green is the most noticeable thing to me), but it's when you just watch and enjoy something, rather than scrutinising, that you notice how good a calibrated picture is even more, if that makes sense.
While there's no doubt the PQ on The Fifth Element blu ray is very good, I've never been blown away by it. Watching it last night was a revelation. The detail, depth and colours were beautiful, but natural as well. I never had this when I watched it on my GT50, so a big part of it is obviously the calibration.

Told ya at the TPS meet up Nik just how good the VT50 looked after calibration
They really are worth every single penny calibrated and it makes you wanna go back and view all your movies again to see how much different they look.
If I could get married to my 65VT50 I would , she is just stunning
I had another peek at PACIFIC last night and it looked good the first time I saw it on my old 65VT30 uncalibrated , but my god the quality now is breathtaking the whole islands and jungle look immense

[aandpwoodley]

Originally Posted by say33d

For all those who have had experience with TPS Whats after sales like?

First class service from TPS

[Nik73]

Originally Posted by SHAGGER

think we get it now!!! yes get your screen, calibrated if you choose, only yourselfs can decide if its worth the money, in my view, its worth every penny

Yeah, sorry. New toy and that.

Originally Posted by kingkarl

Told ya at the TPS meet up Nik just how good the VT50 looked after calibration
They really are worth every single penny calibrated and it makes you wanna go back and view all your movies again to see how much different they look.
If I could get married to my 65VT50 I would , she is just stunning
I had another peek at PACIFIC last night and it looked good the first time I saw it on my old 65VT30 uncalibrated , but my god the quality now is breathtaking the whole islands and jungle look immense

Absolutely mate. I knew it would be better, but was sceptical it would be that much better.
Watching everything again is exactly what I am doing! I'm hooked on BBC Natural World stuff at the minute. I find myself putting them on while I'm cleaning or something and just end sitting and watching it with the cloth in my hand!

[Roon1]

Hi All,

Took delivery of my VT50 last week after much reading on the forums, it is amazing as most here agree. Amazing that is apart from one dead pixel which I simply cannot forget about! (Cannot see from viewing distance)

Advice please, return to Panasonic dealer for replacement or get over it and enjoy the set which appears other wise perfect?

I am slightly concerned about getting a new set which could have some of the more serious issues I have read about, any advice would be appreciated, not sure what to do! Should i expect all the pixels to work?

Thanks,

[Nevaborn]

Well a single dead pixel shouldnt be viewable at normal distances. Also not many places replace due to dead pixels as many consider that acceptable. But if within a certain time i think you have a cooling off period anyway. Scoob knows all this stuff better than me im sure he can advise better

[kingkarl]

Originally Posted by Nik73

I'm hooked on BBC Natural World stuff at the minute. I find myself putting them on while I'm cleaning or something and just end sitting and watching it with the cloth in my hand!

Try HUMAN PLANET mate stunning !

[gazeds]

just took delivery of my 55vt, and the differance in picture quality between this and my vt20 is truly amazing, this is in a differant league. Just wondering if you have 24p turned on on your bluray player, do you leave it turned off on the tv. Also how about 1080p pure direct on or off. Never bothered with 3d on my vt2o but this is just brilliant

[Roon1]

Originally Posted by Nevaborn

Well a single dead pixel shouldnt be viewable at normal distances. Also not many places replace due to dead pixels as many consider that acceptable. But if within a certain time i think you have a cooling off period anyway. Scoob knows all this stuff better than me im sure he can advise better

Thanks for that, i cannot see it at viewing distance but i know it is there and therefore i cannot stop looking at it. Does any one else have them and is prepared to live with them

[robtodd]

Originally Posted by Nik73

I've had Sky F1HD on for 3 hours straight and there's not a sniff of IR, even with that stupid red button that you can't get rid of!

Press the backup button on your remote that should get rid of the red button

[BradleyLove]

Just to add to the IR discussion, I stupidly left my TV on for 24 hours without realising (I thought I'd turned it off when I went to my GF's). It was a fully black screen except for the AV input label of "AMP" (was HDMI2)...

Sure enough when I got home, "AMP" was plain as day on the screen :-(

So when I went to bed I set the sweeping white pattern thing running and next morning, "AMP" is gone.

I've now turned the auto-off back on again. I am very surprised however that the TV doesn't turn the input label off after a while when it's not receiving a signal.

[Anbjorn]

Originally Posted by BradleyLove

I've now turned the auto-off back on again. I am very surprised however that the TV doesn't turn the input label off after a while when it's not receiving a signal.

That would be a good idea to add for FW update
Panasonic, are you listening?

[Nevaborn]

Originally Posted by robtodd

Press the backup button on your remote that should get rid of the red button

The red button on F1HD isnt a button its a static image part of the F1 logo.

[Ferruccio]

After a week of playing around with the VT50 I've come to the conclusion that either there is something wrong with my set or I'm doing something seriously wrong myself (on the settings maybe).

As I posted earlier I clearly notice a 'flickering' of the screen on bright images, expecially in the THX Bright Room setting, but to some degree it's always there on all image settings. Even worse, I've noticed that on occasion the whole image is stuttering (movement of objects on the screen) which also seems to be worse when the image is bright(er).

Now someone from Panasonic is coming over soon to check out the set, but I wanted to ask for the help of you kind people before he shows up so that I'm best informed as possible.

Anyone maybe own the Game of Thrones season 1 bluray set and / or the latest Star Trek film on bluray? 5 Minutes of your time and I would be most grateful.

Here's what I see:
(PS3 with 24frames output enabled, no smoothener on, VT50 info says 1080p/24hz during playback. Used THX Bright Room and THX Cinema)

Game of Thrones episode 1 - 00:10:40 (stuttering of image, when Snow moves his head away from Bran towards the left of the screen especially)
Game of Thrones episode 1 - 00:13:52 (also stuttering of the image)
Game of Thrones episode 1 - 00:23:16 (when Bran's on the roof and you get a clear view of him and the bright sky behind him, the image flickers badly, especially the bright area of the screen)

Star Trek - 01:12:40 (when kirk is in the middle of the screen close up and all around him there is snowy white, the image again flickers)

Pausing the image with Bran and the image with Kirk gives you a good indication of the flickering. Try switching from THX Bright Room to THX Cinema and you'll see how calm the image on the latter is, while THX Bright Room seems to have a stroboscopic effect on the eyes. All the other stuttering on Game of Thrones is maybe even worse than the flickering. The part at 00:10:40 looks like the whole image is falling apart there.

Now I'm no expert and I don't mean to be nitpicking every little thing. I've looked long and hard for a great tv set and decided on the 65VT50 which set me back 3700 Euros, but if this is how the VT50 is supposed to act normally, I think I'll return it. It's a great TV in all other aspects, but the THX Bright Room for me really emphasizes some problems I'm having with this set (which, again are always there though less noticeable on other modes)

Also I wanted to ask, what other options are there comparable to the 65VT50 if it should come that far? Sony HX920 or new Sony LED models? Samsung E8000 plasma? I really don't know what to do. I've been looking forward to the VT50 for months now (longer really, had my eyes on a VT20 couple years back) and this whole thing is quite depressing.

And as a sidenote: the whole 'susceptible to plasma flickering' issue I kind of could understand that (though to me and both a friend of mine it's clear as day) however the stuttering of the images that I mentioned would be impossible for anyone to miss.

[Nik73]

Originally Posted by kingkarl

Try HUMAN PLANET mate stunning !

I think that's about the only one I haven't got for some reason. Ordered now for £12.95. Cheers.

Just watching Wall-E and it looks like crap! Lots ringing around the edges of things and the colours seem really washed out.










Kidding of course, it's

[reddevil74]

Originally Posted by millsey

Those of you that have calibrated fiddy's, is there much difference between thx cinema & your calibrated pro1?
In all the reviews the difference was negligible, yet on here the reports would seem theirs a big difference.
I'm just curious to what differences you can see?

I'm interested in this also.
Firstly I understand completely that people like to try and get the very best out of their equipment and £300 odd quid isn't that much in the big scheme of things.
However reading the hyperbole on this thread for the last couple of days has got me thinking - where is this vast improvement coming from?
Even taking a conservative guess that the most accurate mode is 75% there already then the remaining 25% gain isn't going to be "like night and day " or "jizzing my pants" like some have described
Again I accept if someone thinks the improvement is worth it then I have no problem with that
Would this be fair comment

[robtodd]

Originally Posted by Nevaborn

The red button on F1HD isnt a button its a static image part of the F1 logo.

Missed that.Cheers.

[Gunner_Mike]

Originally Posted by Gunner_Mike

Hi, I've been considering a 50" VT for a few weeks now, and I'm going to have a demo of one tomorrow.

Can anyone help with suitable things I could take along to get the best out of the demo, particularly to see if I can see the DSEB? I'm hoping I'll demo one where either they don't exist, or at least I can't see them in normal tv.

I've seen lots of mention of slides of different colours and shades (eg 30% gray) that seem to be good for showing issues, where might I get those from?

Thanks all.

Anyone?

[Phil1975]

Originally Posted by Gunner_Mike

Anyone?

Lost the link Mike

But if you send me a pm I'll email you some slides...!

[Big]

Ok, so it came today but I have a fault I don't think anyone else has reported.

Basically the right lateral side of the screen (about 10% of the total screen) is completely black and in certain modes it looks like that side of the screen has been chopped off, but in THX Cinema it stretches to fit the whole display into the 90% that display. It happens with both TV and HDMI inputs. Is there something to change in e menus or do I have a duff screen? It would be a shame to have to send it back as it appears to be band free even in the menu.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

Dan