[Moonwalker2006]

Can't believe i'm gonna say this, but unfortunetely it's true. Last year i bought a VT30 but early this year i had to return it because it suffered from green blobs and vertical banding. I then made a switch to LCD, big mistake,nothing but problems and definitely NOT for gaming. So back to plasma it was, i eventually decided to go for a LG 60PA6500. The size is amazing and great for the price too. Picture quality incredible and it's all good.

But after awhile i started to notice lines...vertical banding, in games like Skyrim and Tomb Raider Underworld, when i would look into the sky or swim underwater i'd see the vertical banding quite clearly. Just now, i decided to put some break-in images on a USB stick and run it on the tv and to my surprise(not in a good way) the white background was white-greenish, not alittle...but quite clearly actually and damn ugly too. Grey background showed the vertical banding very clearly and the green stuff even more.

The difference from this tv and the VT30 is that i don't see the green stuff in my games and i hope it stays that way. I DO however see the banding. Man this is all so unfortunete. My friend has a Samsung E8000 and says so far there hasn't been any flaw, nothing wrong with the tv, no green tinge,no banding, all good. I'm slowly starting to think i should have saved some extra money and waited awhile until i could buy the E6500. Which according to alot of people is practically the same as the E8000. At the same time i'm like 'my friend just doesn't see it, i'd probably see it right away' .

Any advice on this? Like i said...it's not yet ruining my gaming experience, except for the vertical banding which is quite visible in some games. The green stuff however, so far i don't see it in games and i'm glad as hell about that. Should i go to the store and at least just tell them about this or should i wait?

[Scooby2000]

Originally Posted by Moonwalker2006

Can't believe i'm gonna say this, but unfortunetely it's true. Last year i bought a VT30 but early this year i had to return it because it suffered from green blobs and vertical banding. I then made a switch to LCD, big mistake,nothing but problems and definitely NOT for gaming. So back to plasma it was, i eventually decided to go for a LG 60PA6500. The size is amazing and great for the price too. Picture quality incredible and it's all good.

But after awhile i started to notice lines...vertical banding, in games like Skyrim and Tomb Raider Underworld, when i would look into the sky or swim underwater i'd see the vertical banding quite clearly. Just now, i decided to put some break-in images on a USB stick and run it on the tv and to my surprise(not in a good way) the white background was white-greenish, not alittle...but quite clearly actually and damn ugly too. Grey background showed the vertical banding very clearly and the green stuff even more.

The difference from this tv and the VT30 is that i don't see the green stuff in my games and i hope it stays that way. I DO however see the banding. Man this is all so unfortunete. My friend has a Samsung E8000 and says so far there hasn't been any flaw, nothing wrong with the tv, no green tinge,no banding, all good. I'm slowly starting to think i should have saved some extra money and waited awhile until i could buy the E6500. Which according to alot of people is practically the same as the E8000. At the same time i'm like 'my friend just doesn't see it, i'd probably see it right away' .

Any advice on this? Like i said...it's not yet ruining my gaming experience, except for the vertical banding which is quite visible in some games. The green stuff however, so far i don't see it in games and i'm glad as hell about that. Should i go to the store and at least just tell them about this or should i wait?

If you aren't happy then yes, tell them ASAP.
All plasmas will have some banding with some content, but some sets are better than others and it may also be a fault, hard to say without seeing the set.
I went from Panasonic to Samsung as they seem to have the least issues. Skyrim on my D6900 doesn't show and banding I've noticed, maybe get a D6900 or D8000 as they're very cheap now.

There will never be a perfect set at these prices or even at double, this is technology were talking about and mass produced too, there's always going to be issues, just need to decide on what won't bother you.

[Moonwalker2006]

The problem with the D6900 for me is, there's no way for me to see it in the stores. Only a few online stores still have it. And i'd hate to go to a tv with a worse picture quality, this probably won't be the case, but still...i finally found a tv which PQ's makes me extremely satisfied. So much better than the VT30 in my honest opinion. How are the black levels on the D6900? I know LG is not known for amazing black levels, and while the PA6500's are quite alright, i don't think they can be considered great.

Also....

Since you said you play Skyrim as well, does it show alot of motion blurring for you as well when you look around in the game? It's probably the game itself, cause on my 18 inch monitor it shows the blur too. Maybe it's not even blur..but let's say i see a building and i look around with the camera, not slowly, but a normale speed...i see that building double, almost as if it has a ghost. It's certainly much better than the LCD i had, but i still notice it. I was just wondering if its the tv or just the game? Cause i was under the assumption that LG plasmas provided great motion.

[Scooby2000]

Originally Posted by Moonwalker2006

The problem with the D6900 for me is, there's no way for me to see it in the stores. Only a few online stores still have it. And i'd hate to go to a tv with a worse picture quality, this probably won't be the case, but still...i finally found a tv which PQ's makes me extremely satisfied. So much better than the VT30 in my honest opinion. How are the black levels on the D6900? I know LG is not known for amazing black levels, and while the PA6500's are quite alright, i don't think they can be considered great.

Also....

Since you said you play Skyrim as well, does it show alot of motion blurring for you as well when you look around in the game? It's probably the game itself, cause on my 18 inch monitor it shows the blur too. Maybe it's not even blur..but let's say i see a building and i look around with the camera, not slowly, but a normale speed...i see that building double, almost as if it has a ghost. It's certainly much better than the LCD i had, but i still notice it. I was just wondering if its the tv or just the game? Cause i was under the assumption that LG plasmas provided great motion.

The D6900 has a better black level than LGs sets, closer to Panasonic.
If you but online you have a couple of weeks in which you can return a set for any reason under distance selling regs.

Many games have motion blur with fast camera turns, its the games not the sets. Its to do with the frame rates.

[Moonwalker2006]

Originally Posted by Scooby2000

The D6900 has a better black level than LGs sets, closer to Panasonic.
If you but online you have a couple of weeks in which you can return a set for any reason under distance selling regs.

Many games have motion blur with fast camera turns, its the games not the sets. Its to do with the frame rates.

Thanks man, that's good to know. And in the case of the LCD that i had, that one produced motion blur too, so you get it twice in the games, oh my..that's bad. When i had a 50 inch Samsung plasma for years i never noticed the blurring, but there's a significant difference between 50 and 60 inch. You just notice things like that alot faster. And of course...Skyrim ain't the best aruond there, performance wise. I should try RAGE. A 60fps first person shooter.

[xcloudx]

are you playing with PC or colsole? Because i played skyrim with PC on my ex-ST30 and there wasn't blur at all, image perfectly clear also during fast mouse movements. At least for what i could see...

[Scooby2000]

Im guessing console, if PC you may be able to improve things in the games video settings to get the frame rate up.

[Xenocyde]

From my experience with first person shooters, this motion blur effect is on by default in the latest games. There's the possibility of turning it off or reducing it, like in Crysis 2, but some games don't even bother to offer the user a chance to reduce this effect.

Take for example Portal 2. It has a weird motion blur effect that leaves faint trails on darker colors. You can't reduce it or deactivate it. I went a bit paranoid about this, thinking my LCD suffers from excessive ghosting, but then I tried it on other LCDs and plasmas and the effect was there.

Don't know what game developers are thinking when hardcoding these effects and not letting players customize their experience. From this perspective, Skyrim is a great game. Some guys managed to modify the graphics to push the detail even further, reducing the unwanted effects to improve the overall experience. I think you can find graphics mods for Skyrim on the internet for the PC version. I don't know about the console versions, these can't really be tinkered with.

[Scooby2000]

Originally Posted by Xenocyde

From my experience with first person shooters, this motion blur effect is on by default in the latest games. There's the possibility of turning it off or reducing it, like in Crysis 2, but some games don't even bother to offer the user a chance to reduce this effect.

Take for example Portal 2. It has a weird motion blur effect that leaves faint trails on darker colors. You can't reduce it or deactivate it. I went a bit paranoid about this, thinking my LCD suffers from excessive ghosting, but then I tried it on other LCDs and plasmas and the effect was there.

Don't know what game developers are thinking when hardcoding these effects and not letting players customize their experience. From this perspective, Skyrim is a great game. Some guys managed to modify the graphics to push the detail even further, reducing the unwanted effects to improve the overall experience. I think you can find graphics mods for Skyrim on the internet for the PC version. I don't know about the console versions, these can't really be tinkered with.

As an ex dev I can assure I most motion issues or what are seen as issues with motion is not done deliberately, poor or varying frame rates can create motion issue, some code is better than others but especially on console its not easy if you want good visuals, physics and AI.

[xcloudx]

xenocide you're right. Luckily there are many pc games with the option "motio blur = on/off". In fact this is the firs option i turn off after installing a game. In addition this gives also a little fps boost :D

[longy]

Originally Posted by Moonwalker2006

Can't believe i'm gonna say this, but unfortunetely it's true. Last year i bought a VT30 but early this year i had to return it because it suffered from green blobs and vertical banding. I then made a switch to LCD, big mistake,nothing but problems and definitely NOT for gaming. So back to plasma it was, i eventually decided to go for a LG 60PA6500. The size is amazing and great for the price too. Picture quality incredible and it's all good.

But after awhile i started to notice lines...vertical banding, in games like Skyrim and Tomb Raider Underworld, when i would look into the sky or swim underwater i'd see the vertical banding quite clearly. Just now, i decided to put some break-in images on a USB stick and run it on the tv and to my surprise(not in a good way) the white background was white-greenish, not alittle...but quite clearly actually and damn ugly too. Grey background showed the vertical banding very clearly and the green stuff even more.

The difference from this tv and the VT30 is that i don't see the green stuff in my games and i hope it stays that way. I DO however see the banding. Man this is all so unfortunete. My friend has a Samsung E8000 and says so far there hasn't been any flaw, nothing wrong with the tv, no green tinge,no banding, all good. I'm slowly starting to think i should have saved some extra money and waited awhile until i could buy the E6500. Which according to alot of people is practically the same as the E8000. At the same time i'm like 'my friend just doesn't see it, i'd probably see it right away' .

Any advice on this? Like i said...it's not yet ruining my gaming experience, except for the vertical banding which is quite visible in some games. The green stuff however, so far i don't see it in games and i'm glad as hell about that. Should i go to the store and at least just tell them about this or should i wait?

Hi there , With regard to the greenish whites, does your TV have a white balance control ? if it does try turning down the green gain.

[Xenocyde]

Originally Posted by longy

Hi there , With regard to the greenish whites, does your TV have a white balance control ? if it does try turning down the green gain.

That green tinge can't be reduced using white balance controls. It's a fault introduced in last year's 30 series. The greenish tinge is within the plasma pixel cells, caused by the sub-field drive.

[Adlermann]

Originally Posted by Xenocyde

That green tinge can't be reduced using white balance controls. It's a fault introduced in last year's 30 series. The greenish tinge is within the plasma pixel cells, caused by the sub-field drive.

Actually it's a side effect of the ABL

[longy]

Originally Posted by Xenocyde

That green tinge can't be reduced using white balance controls. It's a fault introduced in last year's 30 series. The greenish tinge is within the plasma pixel cells, caused by the sub-field drive.

I was referring to the LG plasma that he has now where he noticed greenish whites from the usb slides.

[Moonwalker2006]

Hey all, it's been awhile and i have been hoping that the green tinge/blob would go away. But goddamnit...it's practically the same as what the VT30 did for me. Only difference is that i love the picture quality of this one and i didn't love the VT30's picture quality at all.

Recently i've been playing GTA IV on my Xbox 360 and especially in dark grey areas the green **** in the screen is very easy to notice and oh my does it annoy the crap out of me. I'm trying to live with it, and i'm not a huge complainer...but it distracts me while gaming and i keep seeing it. Today even on the Xbox 360 dashboard i could see it, clearly green stuff on the grey background. I'm kinda getting feelings of regret...regret that i did not go for the Samsung PS51E6500...but then, who's to say i won't encounter the green stuff on that one? A friend of mine has the PS51E8000 and claims there is ZERO wrong with the tv, calls it the absolutely perfect tv. But i kinda doubt it. I went from a Panasonic Vt30 plasma to a Toshiba LCD , to a LG plasma now and they all had similar things.

Not really sure now what i should do. I think i should inform the store about it and see what they say and what they offer me. I never had this with my old (non full HD though) Samsung plasma that i owned from like..2008 to like 2011.

Are there ways to maybe get rid of slightly remove the green stuff? I assume lowering contrast would help? Although it's already only at 70 or so.

[all clear]

I AGREE and it won`t exist

[Moonwalker2006]

Been playing some Red Dead Redemption and Grand Theft Auto IV today, and man...non stop i see that green stuff and it's bothering the **** outta me, i can't accept this and i won't. I just wonder what the store is gonna say, at least i now have a normal and good dealer/store compared to where i bought the VT30 last year. Still i don't know if they will give me my money back or the same set, and hoping that i don't get the green crap again. Other option is selling it and getting the Sammy E6500. But first i will check if that set doesn't have the green stuff. I can live with a buzzing sound but this green stuff and vertical banding....i can't have that.

[jwalsh82]

I agree, it's a minefield looking for a screen these days, too much choice.

My KRP isn't perfect. Expertly calibrated by Bumtious, but you still notice things (dithering for one).

[Moonwalker2006]

I called the store and they said 'Well, that's definitely not how a tv should operate' and they are gonna send someone over to come check it. The problem for me kinda was that the green stuff and vertical banding becomes especially visible when it's dark in my living room, so basically when it's dark outside in the evening it's clearly visible, but around daytime, alot less visible, and only during daytime they will come check up on the tv. But by enabling energy saving on the tv the green stuff becomes very clear, so there's no way they can deny this and they don't. This store sounds like a real good store that provides quality service. Unlike the store where i bought the Panasonic VT30, my god what a horrible experience.

[fluxo]

The perfect TV has never existed. However, there have been times in the past
when uniformity issues were rarer than they are now, even in cheaper sets.

[Gordon @ Convergent AV]

Originally Posted by fluxo

The perfect TV has never existed. However, there have been times in the past
when uniformity issues were rarer than they are now, even in cheaper sets.

indeed....my old PWD6 panasonic had no uniformity issues and no weird banding. The Panasonic VX100 I calibrated yesterday had no banding or blotchy uniformity.

All that tends to happen with new tech like this is that once they have worked out how to make it work they then try to work out how to make it cheap....and this often results in a year of broken product while they try to work out how to fix the manufacturing/design problem of the year before...so you get two years of fixes...a good year...then some more crap years...imho.

[Moonwalker2006]

Tomorrow one or two engineers from LG will visit my house and they said they will repair it. But i don't believe for a second they can just repair it,...just like that. It's exactly what my Panasonic VT30 suffered from, green spots/blotches/tinge/blobs and vertical banding and they were never able to repair it. But LG can? Nah, i'm afraid they are gonna take the tv with them and i'll be without the big screen for a while. I just wonder if they can fix this at all. But it's undeniable, i've tried all the picture modes and it's visible on all of them. It's just horrible.

[stucarblne]

Originally Posted by Moonwalker2006

Tomorrow one or two engineers from LG will visit my house and they said they will repair it. But i don't believe for a second they can just repair it,...just like that. It's exactly what my Panasonic VT30 suffered from, green spots/blotches/tinge/blobs and vertical banding and they were never able to repair it. But LG can? Nah, i'm afraid they are gonna take the tv with them and i'll be without the big screen for a while. I just wonder if they can fix this at all. But it's undeniable, i've tried all the picture modes and it's visible on all of them. It's just horrible.

Your probably right, unless they know exactly what is causing it i can't see them fixing it there and then. Unless they bring a part or parts to replace there and then if they do know how to - like a screen swap lol.

But best of luck with it anyway fella, be interesting to find out how they tackle it.

[Moonwalker2006]

Originally Posted by stucarblne

Your probably right, unless they know exactly what is causing it i can't see them fixing it there and then. Unless they bring a part or parts to replace there and then if they do know how to - like a screen swap lol.

But best of luck with it anyway fella, be interesting to find out how they tackle it.

The engineer from LG was here a few minutes ago. He noticed that the green stuff was especially visible when the energy saver was set on maximum. When it was disabled, it was less noticeable. The problem is, when it's evening here and dark in my living room...the green stuff is just as much visible on any picture setting, but during the day it's just very hard to notice. Either way, he said they are going to order a new panel for the tv and this should happen in two weeks. There's a chance they can't get that panel anymore and then i'll either get a new tv from them or credit from the store, to pick another tv there.

[stucarblne]

Originally Posted by Moonwalker2006

The engineer from LG was here a few minutes ago. He noticed that the green stuff was especially visible when the energy saver was set on maximum. When it was disabled, it was less noticeable. The problem is, when it's evening here and dark in my living room...the green stuff is just as much visible on any picture setting, but during the day it's just very hard to notice. Either way, he said they are going to order a new panel for the tv and this should happen in two weeks. There's a chance they can't get that panel anymore and then i'll either get a new tv from them or credit from the store, to pick another tv there.

Well... that's fantastic news fella... bet your really pleased either way

[aandpwoodley]

Originally Posted by Moonwalker2006

The engineer from LG was here a few minutes ago. He noticed that the green stuff was especially visible when the energy saver was set on maximum. When it was disabled, it was less noticeable. The problem is, when it's evening here and dark in my living room...the green stuff is just as much visible on any picture setting, but during the day it's just very hard to notice. Either way, he said they are going to order a new panel for the tv and this should happen in two weeks. There's a chance they can't get that panel anymore and then i'll either get a new tv from them or credit from the store, to pick another tv there.

Great news

[Moonwalker2006]

Absolutely, i'm really happy to finally see some good customer service, unlike how i had it with the Panasonic VT30 and the E-care repair service. LG called me this morning and said the panel has been ordered and soon they will come to my house again and get the tv, replace the panel and bring it back. Would be great if it gets rid of the problem, cause aside from the faults, i love the tv.

[stucarblne]

Originally Posted by Moonwalker2006

Absolutely, i'm really happy to finally see some good customer service, unlike how i had it with the Panasonic VT30 and the E-care repair service. LG called me this morning and said the panel has been ordered and soon they will come to my house again and get the tv, replace the panel and bring it back. Would be great if it gets rid of the problem, cause aside from the faults, i love the tv.

Yes it's nice to get some good customer service these days, too many times people get fobbed off nowadays with whoever on the other end of the phone giving it the technical talk that most of them probably don't fully understand themselves. Lol.

[Trollslayer]

Regarding the perfect TV - TVs have to compensate for the source.

Now if Blu-ray content was 12 bit colour, 48 (or 96) FPS then the TV wouldn't have to get so clever.

[Moonwalker2006]

LG just called me, they got the new panel for the tv and this thursday they will come to my house and pick the plasma up and repair it at their building. I live two stories high so it's gonna be quite a hassle to get the tv downstairs, oh my. I sure hope when the panel is replaced that the problem is gone...or else all this hassle has been for nothing. But at least they really help out and provide excellent service.