[deblee]

Originally Posted by albajoereturns

is this fw any good ? Is the brightness still capped ? I.e. Pretty dim ?

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[button_sw]

I have also gone back to 1024 from 1015 and imho its the best one, zero brightness pops and have got my natural plasma picture back. I think i was getting obsessed with brightness and that "In your face" look but it was getting like an lcd and the brightness pops were grating on me.

Couldn't be happier with 1024

[samsungderby]

Ok, i took the plunge and went from 1021 to 1024 .. my findings :

1: Firstly the only real negative it DOES completely change / delete all your settings (so make a note of them first)

2: Picture is more vivid/contrasty (kinda more LED like , but in a good way.)

3: Black levels are noticeably better.

4: It runs much cooler (mine used to be like a radiator)

altogether these make my D8k pretty stunning, the only thing is this new pic does take a bit of getting used to as its not as warm/soft looking as it was ... oh and i turned the colour down a tad as it was a bit much for my taste ..

[AlbaJoeReturns]

Originally Posted by samsungderby

Ok, i took the plunge and went from 1021 to 1024 .. my findings :

1: Firstly the only real negative it DOES completely change / delete all your settings (so make a note of them first)

2: Picture is more vivid/contrasty (kinda more LED like , but in a good way.)

3: Black levels are noticeably better.

4: It runs much cooler (mine used to be like a radiator)

altogether these make my D8k pretty stunning, the only thing is this new pic does take a bit of getting used to as its not as warm/soft looking as it was ... oh and i turned the colour down a tad as it was a bit much for my taste ..

Was going ask about brightness pops but I see you havent downgraded before

[samsungderby]

Originally Posted by AlbaJoeReturns

Was going ask about brightness pops but I see you havent downgraded before

Never had them dont even know what they look like tbh ..

[AlbaJoeReturns]

Originally Posted by samsungderby

Never had them dont even know what they look like tbh ..

Sorry I actually meant brightness cap ..... i.e. the plasma isnt very bright.

The brightness pops I havent seen much myself but its basically changes in the brightness that automatically come about in certain scenes to the point they are noticable.

[shield]

Hi
i did the hdmi calibration in the service meny and all good and well,but in cinema mode i need to put the brightness at 100 and gamma at +3 on avs hd 709 too see all level from 17,arent brightness at 100 too high?did i do something wrong here?i have the samsung ps51d535.but in standard mode i can have brightness at 63.

[scottthehat]

Originally Posted by shield

Hi
i did the hdmi calibration in the service meny and all good and well,but in cinema mode i need to put the brightness at 100 and gamma at +3 on avs hd 709 too see all level from 17,arent brightness at 100 too high?did i do something wrong here?i have the samsung ps51d535.but in standard mode i can have brightness at 63.

That doesn't sound right mine is 60 in movie mode and 44 in standard.

[shield]

If i set hdmi black too normal then i get 57 in brightness if i set it too low iam maxed out on brightness,and then my contrast is set at 90 on normal and on low its set too 74.but shouldent hdmi black be set at low?

[Scooby2000]

Originally Posted by shield

If i set hdmi black too normal then i get 57 in brightness if i set it too low iam maxed out on brightness,and then my contrast is set at 90 on normal and on low its set too 74.but shouldent hdmi black be set at low?

I think you want normal or you get black crush.

[shield]

Originally Posted by Scooby2000

I think you want normal or you get black crush.

Normal it is then.thx

[scottthehat]

normal is right, and 57 sounds about right, but for low it should need to be near 0 not 100 as the higher the lower the black level so 0 being the darkest and 100 being lightest.

[shield]

yea it looks good now,my contrast is at 80 and brightness on 58,good pic quality,sharpness is on 10 and color on 47.but the black could be better i think its a hint of grey black isted of black.

[shield]

Cinema smoothnes on or off?

[FUltra]

Originally Posted by shield

Cinema smoothnes on or off?

On if you want to remove the 2:3 pulldown judder the tv will introduce on 24p material. Off if you care more for the black level (the black level gets a little worse with it on).

[scottthehat]

I leave it on as i calibrate with it on so if i turn it off the calibration is out more so the gamma.

[Scooby2000]

Originally Posted by shield

yea it looks good now,my contrast is at 80 and brightness on 58,good pic quality,sharpness is on 10 and color on 47.but the black could be better i think its a hint of grey black isted of black.

Those settings sound a bit more like it, though reducing the colour control can throw out the gamut....sorry no its the CMS that's effected, basically it can throw the colours out of whack.

[panman40]

Originally Posted by Scooby2000

Those settings sound a bit more like it, though reducing the colour control can throw out the gamut....sorry no its the CMS that's effected, basically it can throw the colours out of whack.

Hey Scoobs,
I have some weird anomallys with mine regarding Gamma 2.2 V's Ref Brightness .

It does seem that last years sets including mine have trouble CMS with not enough Red in Green and the same for magenta,

Heres the best i could do with mine >

[$weetFA]

Hahahaha I just had a quick play
More reading need's to be done!! lol.

[panman40]

Got any spare red then ? looks like it

[shield]

What can i do about brightness pops?i have european version tv,my firmware is 001007.can i use a diffrent firmware or do i need to wait for them to update the firmware.

[FUltra]

Originally Posted by shield

What can i do about brightness pops?i have european version tv,my firmware is 001007.can i use a diffrent firmware or do i need to wait for them to update the firmware.

Samsung D series FBr fix discussion

[slc79]

I also took the plunge and updated from 1021 to 1024. Can't say I notice the very big differences yet, and I suspect the reported black levels are more placebo than anything else.

I will give it a closer look when the sun sets today and see if something really changed. Brightness fluctuations still appear to be there, but they were not very bad with 1021 either. They might have reduced, but I will have to find some offending material to find out.

[Blu-rayx]

Originally Posted by slc79

I also took the plunge and updated from 1021 to 1024. Can't say I notice the very big differences yet, and I suspect the reported black levels are more placebo than anything else.

I will give it a closer look when the sun sets today and see if something really changed. Brightness fluctuations still appear to be there, but they were not very bad with 1021 either. They might have reduced, but I will have to find some offending material to find out.

When you spend a bit more time with firmware 1024, You will realise it's the best firmware so far.

[slc79]

Originally Posted by Blu-rayx

When you spend a bit more time with firmware 1024, You will realise it's the best firmware so far.

My D455 is still blacker than the D8005, so I am pretty certain black levels are the same. Tested some material that I knew brightness popping showed up, and it's still there. So, so far I can't seem to find any big differences. Sorry (But it didn't make anything noticeably worse either)

[scottthehat]

Originally Posted by slc79

My D455 is still blacker than the D8005, so I am pretty certain black levels are the same. Tested some material that I knew brightness popping showed up, and it's still there. So, so far I can't seem to find any big differences. Sorry (But it didn't make anything noticeably worse either)

where abouts are you and what size tvs do you have and how much lower model is the d455.

[slc79]

Originally Posted by scottthehat

where abouts are you and what size tvs do you have and how much lower model is the d455.

Norway, the D455 is 43" and is the entry level (cheapest plasma) from Samsung (it's the exact same as D450). The D8005 is 51".

The black levels of the D450-plasma is quite amazing, really. I have no clue why an entry level plasma is that black But I know it's been mentioned in the forums earlier too. Only drawback with the D450 is that it's 1024x768, but at 43" that doesn't matter all that much.

[scottthehat]

Originally Posted by slc79

Norway, the D455 is 43" and is the entry level (cheapest plasma) from Samsung (it's the exact same as D450). The D8005 is 51".

The black levels of the D450-plasma is quite amazing, really. I have no clue why an entry level plasma is that black But I know it's been mentioned in the forums earlier too. Only drawback with the D450 is that it's 1024x768, but at 43" that doesn't matter all that much.

thanks thats interesting as with samsung normally the bigger the panel the better the blacks.

[samsungderby]

Originally Posted by slc79

I also took the plunge and updated from 1021 to 1024. Can't say I notice the very big differences yet, and I suspect the reported black levels are more placebo than anything else.

I will give it a closer look when the sun sets today and see if something really changed. Brightness fluctuations still appear to be there, but they were not very bad with 1021 either. They might have reduced, but I will have to find some offending material to find out.

Are you using it in movie mode? , because thats where the difference is most ..
It most definitely isnt placebo the difference is quite profound on my set ..

[slc79]

Originally Posted by samsungderby

Are you using it in movie mode? , because thats where the difference is most ..
It most definitely isnt placebo the difference is quite profound on my set ..

They might have somehow improved contrast ratio which will fool your eyes to believe it's blacker, but really.. it's still just as gray compared to my D455 as before the update. A proper contrast ratio is very important for black level perception, which is also why a lot of people thinks blacks look better in dynamic mode. Black looks blacker because everything else is lighter. Eyes are easily fooled