[rumblesushi]

I don't think he has, no, it's just that having no filter on a Plasma isn't a big deal unless you have exceptionally bright overhead lights, or sunlight shining directly on the screen, which of course does cause major reflections and makes the picture look washed out.

[Nicholars]

Hmmm for me personally I found the D6900 got washed out far too easily... With anything other than perfect bias lighting the lighting had an effect on the blacks... Making them look sort of red coloured and washed out. Also I had the DSE even without a real black filter!

[famouscookster]

Hi guys was thinking of getting the ps60e530 today. Anyone got one or any information on it? Want it mainly for gaming and blu rays. Not fussed about 3d watch all 3d films at cinema. It's gone down from 1499 to 999 so was just a bit weary to y? And also another question it says 1080p hd ready not full hd? What's difference? It has the 1080p resolution, so surely it's full hd? Any thoughts and comments welcome picking it up later if u guys recommend it thanks

[davidcrofter]

Originally Posted by famouscookster

Hi guys was thinking of getting the ps60e530 today. Anyone got one or any information on it? Want it mainly for gaming and blu rays. Not fussed about 3d watch all 3d films at cinema. It's gone down from 1499 to 999 so was just a bit weary to y? And also another question it says 1080p hd ready not full hd? What's difference? It has the 1080p resolution, so surely it's full hd? Any thoughts and comments welcome picking it up later if u guys recommend it thanks

Basically it is a cut down version of the E550 and is full 1080p but without a Freeview HD tuner - hence the HD ready part.

If you are after a no-thrills screen then this could be a real bargain as Samsung tend to use better panels in their larger screens (whether this does is anyones guess though) and Currys are offering £10 cashback for every goal England nab at the Euro Championships ... this may not amount to much plus 1.5% cashback from quidco.

[famouscookster]

That's a tenner back in the group stages then if I'm lucky lol.

[davidcrofter]

Originally Posted by famouscookster

That's a tenner back in the group stages then if I'm lucky lol.

I am Scottish I don't want to add anything to your prediction apart from your maybe aiming a bit high.

[famouscookster]

Think Rooney is good for atleast 1 lol

[famouscookster]

Took the plunge and bought one last night not really had time to set it up properly just turned all the filters and things off and turned contrast down and put movie mode on other than that not much. But really impressed with it the blacks are great got good detail and when I get round to it colours should look good too. Don't get me wrong they are good already just not changed anything yet gonna run it in for a while first. Played 2 games of mw2 online came top both times so no real problem with input lag either. And for a big screen sd was good too. But only had about 3 or 4 hrs watching tv and cod

[fitze73]

Originally Posted by famouscookster

Took the plunge and bought one last night not really had time to set it up properly just turned all the filters and things off and turned contrast down and put movie mode on other than that not much. But really impressed with it the blacks are great got good detail and when I get round to it colours should look good too. Don't get me wrong they are good already just not changed anything yet gonna run it in for a while first. Played 2 games of mw2 online came top both times so no real problem with input lag either. And for a big screen sd was good too. But only had about 3 or 4 hrs watching tv and cod

which set did you go for in the end the 60e6500?

[famouscookster]

The ps60e530

[Jtm79]

Here in Finland 64E8000 is about 3040€ and 65ST50 is about 3290€. Im wondering which one to get.

Currently i have 51D550. I want bigger screen, better antiglare/bright room performance, brighter 3D and better blacks.

Panasonic might have little bit deeper blacks, but it it supposed to have more ir than Sammy. Im leaning toward Sammy.

[Moonwalker2006]

I may be alitle early with this, but still....

I recently bought a Toshiba LCD, but long story short...it just doesn't hold a candle against a plasma when it comes to the motions. When i still had my previous Panasonic plasma and before that a Samsung plasma, i wasn't familiar with things like motion blur in gaming but i definitely am now. In alot of games now, when i turn the camera around i see motion blur effects and that stuff is horrible, especially when i've been used to a plasma for years now. I'm starting to realize that moving from a plasma to LCD is just a bad decision.

Long story short, if i'm able to sell it (and the change that i'm going to is growing bigger by the minute) i'm planning on maybe going for the Samsung E6500. It's just weird that there are NO reviews of it, none....there are some of the E8000 though and i'm wondering, what are the true differences between the two, besides it's price, of course.

[whiteswan]

Originally Posted by Moonwalker2006

I may be alitle early with this, but still....

I recently bought a Toshiba LCD, but long story short...it just doesn't hold a candle against a plasma when it comes to the motions. When i still had my previous Panasonic plasma and before that a Samsung plasma, i wasn't familiar with things like motion blur in gaming but i definitely am now. In alot of games now, when i turn the camera around i see motion blur effects and that stuff is horrible, especially when i've been used to a plasma for years now. I'm starting to realize that moving from a plasma to LCD is just a bad decision.

Long story short, if i'm able to sell it (and the change that i'm going to is growing bigger by the minute) i'm planning on maybe going for the Samsung E6500. It's just weird that there are NO reviews of it, none....there are some of the E8000 though and i'm wondering, what are the true differences between the two, besides it's price, of course.

Hi

Check out the E6500E Owners Thread..........

Dave

[Moonwalker2006]

Originally Posted by whiteswan

Hi

Check out the E6500E Owners Thread..........

Dave

But that one is only about the 60 inch version, or doesn't it matter whether it's the 51 inch or 60 inch version?

[Nicholars]

Originally Posted by Moonwalker2006

I may be alitle early with this, but still....

I recently bought a Toshiba LCD, but long story short...it just doesn't hold a candle against a plasma when it comes to the motions. When i still had my previous Panasonic plasma and before that a Samsung plasma, i wasn't familiar with things like motion blur in gaming but i definitely am now. In alot of games now, when i turn the camera around i see motion blur effects and that stuff is horrible, especially when i've been used to a plasma for years now. I'm starting to realize that moving from a plasma to LCD is just a bad decision.

Long story short, if i'm able to sell it (and the change that i'm going to is growing bigger by the minute) i'm planning on maybe going for the Samsung E6500. It's just weird that there are NO reviews of it, none....there are some of the E8000 though and i'm wondering, what are the true differences between the two, besides it's price, of course.

You could get a Panasonic plasma or a Samsung E6500 / E8000 these are very good but these have irritating image retention when gaming... Whatever people say it is an issue and you can't really play for more then a few hours without running into problems...

If you get a high end LCD like a Sony with 1080p motion resolution and motionplus 400 the motion is arguably as good as a plasma and you get no worry of IR. Just a suggestion for you to think about... Don't get me wrong I think plasmas are good just I am sayign that not all LCD from 2011/2012 have bad motion. Toshiba are hardly a great brand compared to the better brands such as sony or panasonic.

[Moonwalker2006]

Originally Posted by Nicholars

You could get a Panasonic plasma or a Samsung E6500 / E8000 these are very good but these have irritating image retention when gaming... Whatever people say it is an issue and you can't really play for more then a few hours without running into problems...

If you get a high end LCD like a Sony with 1080p motion resolution and motionplus 400 the motion is arguably as good as a plasma and you get no worry of IR. Just a suggestion for you to think about... Don't get me wrong I think plasmas are good just I am sayign that not all LCD from 2011/2012 have bad motion. Toshiba are hardly a great brand compared to the better brands such as sony or panasonic.

The Toshiba actually is a tv that can compete with the best LCD's around there, if i'm to believe several reviews. I read alot of reviews on Sony LCD's but i don't see how its any different than the Toshiba. According to Trustedreviews,HDtvtest,Avforums reviews and so on....the Toshiba is really really good, especially for gaming. It just can't ever compete with plasma. That is something i know now. A friend of mine has the E8000 plasma and he doesnt have IR problems.

I've had a Panasonic VT30 for 8 months and IR was not really much of an issue to be honest. The issues were..green blob effect and vertical banding. Plus i wasn't too fond of the picture quality...i'm actuallly omre impressed with the much older LG PK250's picture quality.

[Nicholars]

I owned a toshiba WL863 and the Sony HX723 motion is significantly better... I also owned a Samsung PS51D6900 plasma and while the motion was marginally better on the plasma it still had motion blur quite often and the Sony is pretty much as good as the plasma. Samsung LCD however the motion is not as good as either the PS51D6900 or the Sony HX723.... Panasonic plasmas have other motion issues as well.

Blobs and dirty screen effect are the main plasma problems but playing games for more than 2-3 hours can leave image retention that lasts for a day or so... It did make me a bit worried tbh on the PS51D6900.... I wouldnt want to play for much longer then that with a HUD on the screen.. By all means get an E6500 or E8000 they are probably very good I was just giving you another opinion as IMO the motion on the high end sony LCD's is exceptionally good and IMO IR is a bit of an issue for me personally. Oh yes and I almost forgot.... BUZZING ON PLASMA!

[Jtm79]

I have 51D555 samsung and i do have image retention, but it goes away very easily. Have been playing ME3 for 8 hours straight and ir goes away in minutes. 59/60 and 64 inch models should be even better, so Sammy plasmas are good for gaming.

[scottthehat]

i have not had a bit of ir on my sammy ps59d550 at all, had cartoon channels on for 5 hours with logos and black bars and played ps3 for 5 hours the other day and not a bit of ir at all, as for buzzing a can hear a slight buzz but past 2 foot away its gone.

and only done about 300hrs on my plasma to.

[Nicholars]

Hmm well I played call of duty for about 4 hours on my PS51D6900 and I had the HUD burned into the screen for about 24 hours, it went away eventually but still seem s a bit dodgy to me.

[Dazzyman]

Bought the E550 51" nearly 3 weeks ago. Have setup an owners thread. Love it . It doesn't have Freeview hd that's next model up, just built in Freeview and wired network instead of wireless. Great at 3d and lovely pic for HD, bluray and games. They need to move the game mode tho as its still buried. We have a Humax Freesat HD and router so just use that so for us no need to spend the extra. Does PVR with external hdd and we can watch our wedding etc...either off our external hdd plugged in or use the PC wireless connected to router and then TV to play. Even syncs with the Mrs Galaxy phone.

Had zero probs with image retention and I play a lot of video games and watch TV with being at home all time with disabilities.

Knocks spots off my old Sony 2k 46" LCD original first gen 1080p what replaced for. Everything is so smooth, gorgeous blacks and only a slight hum which u cannot hear with any volume. Excellent sub 1k large tv with full hd and 3d and includes 2pairs or active glasses

[scottthehat]

Originally Posted by Nicholars

Hmm well I played call of duty for about 4 hours on my PS51D6900 and I had the HUD burned into the screen for about 24 hours, it went away eventually but still seem s a bit dodgy to me.

you must be unlucky,

[Insanity202]

With every plasma I've owned i always suggest regular breaks with gaming. Every time you go for a drink, have a toilet break, are waiting in a game lobby etc etc run the scrolling bar.
Image retention will happen with every plasma if its used for games with static huds for hours at a time.
Theres warnings in tv manuals about this, even game manuals suggest regular breaks.
Use the tools to reduce the risk of retention eg pixel shift, scrolling bars etc etc.
I will also point out lcd screens are also at risk from burn. My sisters tv has sonic logo engraved on it, when i had to do jury service the screen there had the words dvd burnt into the screen.

Play safe is the way to go.

[Syphon Filter]

As above, take breaks, run the scrolling bar and knock the contrast back a bit...

[Nicholars]

I was just giving a different perspective that it is annoying to have to worry about burn all the time... Lets face it the chance of burn on an LCD is almost nil.... Thats why I can leave my PC monitor on for 24hours and not even a hint of burn on it...

Anyway go ahead and get a E6500 or E8000 if that is what you want... they are very good, also 2011 Samsung plasma had ridiculously low input lag as well.

I was just giving another option/opinion as I am very pleasantly suprised with this Sony HX723 after owning Samsung plasma, Samsung LCD, Toshiba LCD and LG LCD... I think the Sony HX723 is clearly the best bargain available at the moment. (For £550 after selling the free blu ray player that came with it!)

[Insanity202]

Originally Posted by Nicholars

I was just giving a different perspective that it is annoying to have to worry about burn all the time... Lets face it the chance of burn on an LCD is almost nil.... Thats why I can leave my PC monitor on for 24hours and not even a hint of burn on it...

Anyway go ahead and get a E6500 or E8000 if that is what you want... they are very good, also 2011 Samsung plasma had ridiculously low input lag as well.

I was just giving another option/opinion as I am very pleasantly suprised with this Sony HX723 after owning Samsung plasma, Samsung LCD, Toshiba LCD and LG LCD... For £550 (after selling the free blu ray player that came with it) I think the Sony HX723 is clearly the best bargain available at the moment.

I will have to take a look at the Sony. I want a decent cheapish set for the bedroom. Only going to be used for the odd movie and Tv. Cheers for pointing that out with the HX723

[Nicholars]

Yes it ticks all the boxes for me :

Excellent motion (arguably as good as plasma)
Very good blacks (with local dimming and bias lighting prob best LCD iv seen)
Extremely good SD with Xreality engine
Very good colour

Only problems are the usual LED problems of small amount of clouding and banding and also the sound is mediocre but other than that I think it is a better TV than the Samsung D series.

[davidcrofter]

Originally Posted by Nicholars

Yes it ticks all the boxes for me :

Excellent motion (arguably as good as plasma)
Very good blacks (with local dimming and bias lighting prob best LCD iv seen)
Extremely good SD with Xreality engine
Very good colour

Only problems are the usual LED problems of small amount of clouding and banding and also the sound is mediocre but other than that I think it is a better TV than the Samsung D series.

Big difference - only 40" coming from a 50" plasma though ... don't reckon many could live with that.

[scottthehat]

I must say i have never had any ir on any lcd and have played games for 10 plus hours at a time. I would take an lcd for hours of gaming any day of the week.

[Moonwalker2006]

Originally Posted by davidcrofter

Big difference - only 40" coming from a 50" plasma though ... don't reckon many could live with that.

Hold on, the Sony only is 40 inch? No way i could get used to that. Either 50 or even larger, really.

Nah, if i manage to sell the Toshiba LCD. I will head straight back to plasma. The only downside to plasma really is the IR, and to avoid that, having to turn the tv off when i go for a break, but that's really the only thing. Plasma still has the better black levels and motion as well, i'm probably not going for a D series Samsung plasma, and probably for the E series. And the E6500 is the only affordable one for me. the E8000 is 2000 euro...impossible for me.