[kingkarl]

Hi Punt

I take it Helderheid is brightness ?

Are you sure this should be 0 or 30 for the default setting ?

When I put it to 0 it's nearly pitch black

[PuntNL]

Originally Posted by bumtious

On holiday at the moment, PuntNL will respond in detail when I get back to your light output question but I have had 32FL out of one of these but it needs a lot of work to keep things in check.

3D calibration is done by taping a set of glasses over your meter but you DO need a decent meter, and the person calibrating wearing another set of glasses.

Thanks Bumtious! Greatly appreciated! Enjoy your holiday

Originally Posted by Pazman

Hey pal

Is that a 50" or 55" you calibrated there ?

50 inch

Originally Posted by kingkarl

Hi Punt

I take it Helderheid is brightness ?

Are you sure this should be 0 or 30 for the default setting ?

When I put it to 0 it's nearly pitch black

Yes its brightness (great to learn some dutch right?).

The british models have 30 as mid point and goes from 0 to 60
The European models (which I have) have 0 as midway point and go from -30 to +30.
So in your case 30 will do the trick!

[Pazman]

Originally Posted by PuntNL

Thanks Bumtious! Greatly appreciated! Enjoy your holiday

50 inch

Yes its brightness (great to learn some dutch right?).

The british models have 30 as mid point and goes from 0 to 60
The European models (which I have) have 0 as midway point and go from -30 to +30.
So in your case 30 will do the trick!

Cheers for that mate . I got to say I have been using THX for weeks now with no problems at all , I entered your setting and they do look great , I would say the best so far .

[Long John]

Hello punt nl, do you know of There is going to be a software update for the VT30 in Holland? Groeten uit Amersfoort

[PuntNL]

Originally Posted by Pazman

Cheers for that mate . I got to say I have been using THX for weeks now with no problems at all , I entered your setting and do look great , I would say the best so far .

Hey, did you edit your post?

[PuntNL]

Originally Posted by Long John

Hello punt nl, do you know of There is going to be a software update for the VT30 in Holland? Groeten uit Amersfoort

Yes there will definitely be, however no idea when. In the US a few days back a new update has been released which should fix the color management settings.

[Smurfin]

PuntNL, are you seeing br flucs on all material or just some? i.e. on bluray or tv or other sources etc

[PuntNL]

Originally Posted by Smurfin

PuntNL, are you seeing br flucs on all material or just some? i.e. on bluray or tv or other sources etc

Really need to have more time with these to comment on that. Will get back to that in a week or so..

[Pazman]

Originally Posted by PuntNL

Hey, did you edit your post?

I did , I saw FBr 5 times with in 20mins of watching Tv with pro1 . 3 hrs of viewing and now don't see Any ! I don't understand this TV sometimes .
But I think your settings are very good on my Vt30 .

[PuntNL]

Originally Posted by Pazman

I did , I saw FBr 5 times with in 20mins of watching Tv with pro1 . 3 hrs of viewing and now don't see Any ! I don't understand this TV sometimes .
But I think your settings are very good on my Vt30 .

Thanks mate! Happy to hear!

[PuntNL]

How you doin Bumtious ? Still looking forward to your write up .

Sorry for the moaning...

[gaz2810i]

Apologies in advance for the long post!!!

Right guys as I have already stated Bumtious came round yesterday and he spent quite a few hours exploring the set, along with me, and getting some really great results.

Before I move on to a report I would like to qualify my views by saying that I work in TV. I am a Playout Director for BBC Television, here in the UK, and I monitor Broadcast TV, including HD, for a living. I, therefore, like to think I know what good accurate PQ is. On top of this I have also made short films and produced event videos, such as those you get at weddings, in the past and I am confident that I know what I am talking about. Having said that I do not know enough about TV calibration or have the right equipment to get the results Bumtious did from this TV myself

Anyways, first of all I was never impressed with THX mode. I would agree with some that out of the box it does a pretty nice job, well after a few hundred hours at least, but just not good enough. IMHO the image in THX mode (as well as all the other pre-sets) had very washed out colours, a green tinge in the greyscale (people looked jaundice and whites green or slightly blue), no where near as black blacks as I am now know this TV can produce and the dynamic contrast was not great. I would also say that the depth of field it produced was rather limited compared to other TV's I have seen in HD. All of the above were made worse because my old Samsung UE55D8000 did all these nicely. On top of all these the set is nowhere near as bright as it should be, but IMO as bright as I need it I would also like to add that my set suffered from the usual posterization seen on Panasonic sets.

Right, so what has calibration addressed? Well, in my opinion, everything but the brightness.

Colours are now as vibrant and realistic as I have seen on a plasma and even match my old Samsung, which were the best I have seen on any TV for vibrancy. Skin tones are as accurate as I have seen, since the Pioneers, and the whole set when playing the right source looks Filmic in its colours. Reds pop better than I have seen and so do all the other colours. Colours no longer look washed out and are as accurate as the broadcast monitors I have at work but far more vibrant.

The Green tinge seen in THX mode is completely gone and white now looks white, with everything in the grayscale perfect. The contrast has been mightily improved and blacks look amazing, with shadow detail in the dark simply stunning. IMO the blacks in THX mode are just too grey and the effect can easily bee seen in the black bars on letter-boxed movies. Bumptious has clearly rectified this and in doing so addressed my other gripe, which was the dynamic contrast and HD depth of field. The set now pops in the way the Samsung did and HD looks 3D.

Another thing that I am must happier with is the perceived improvement posterisation. This is now no longer an issue. It is still there but nowhere near as evident as in all the other pre-sets and a welcome bonus to all of the above. I would also like to add that without a firmware update I am not seeing many FBr's. It could totally be a coincidence, especially seeing as I wasn't seeing them much anyway, but I haven't seen any since the set was finished being calibrated.

As you can probably tell I am very happy with my calibration. As I said to Bumtious, this set is the first I have seen that can come close to looking as impressive, in HD as my broadcast monitors at work. Everything just looks as it should do and I am very happy and worth every penny. The only thing that has disappointed me is the overall brightness in the set during the day. Bumtious worked hard to bring this up to it’s highest and he simply couldn’t do it as it just cannot be done.. We did lots of tests and made some interesting findings but maybe he would prefer to chime in with this. He will be able to explain better than I.

Before people ask, I’ve decided not to share the settings and if Bumptious wants to share his report then that’s fine by me. Thanks so much mate it all looks great, oh and guys he also calibrated 3D and wow Avatar and Gullivers travels are the best I have ever seen. calibration is worthit for the 3D improvements alone.

[PuntNL]

Thanks also for your reply in the owners thread. Contrast maxed out in professional mode at 60. So that will definitely be my starting point than as well when I re-calibrate.

And did Bumtious also calibrate 3D for you? Because that would be a problem with such low light output in professional mode 2?

[gaz2810i]

Originally Posted by PuntNL

Thanks also for your reply in the owners thread. Contrast maxed out in professional mode at 60. So that will definitely be my starting point than as well when I re-calibrate.

And did Bumtious also calibrate 3D for you? Because that would be a problem with such low light output in professional mode 2?

Yep he did calibrate 3D and I was honestly amazed at how good it looked. I will have to check it out during the day as when he finished 3D it was pitch black in the room and it would be interesting to see how it looks in day light.

[Bumtious @ TPS]

Hi guys

I'm tied up at the moment. Will post detail later. Probably tonight.

FYI 3D has it's own separate controls that automatically activate and become available to use when the set goes into 3D mode.

The signal generator I use has a 3D mode that puts the set into 3D mode.

So to make it clear, pro 1 has a full set of its own controls for 2D and separate ones for 3D the same with pro 2.

[AndyVt30]

@bumtious.
What do you think about this fbr 1520 firmware fix?

[PuntNL]

Originally Posted by bumtious

Hi guys

I'm tied up at the moment. Will post detail later. Probably tonight.

FYI 3D has it's own separate controls that automatically activate and become available to use when the set goes into 3D mode.

The signal generator I use has a 3D mode that puts the set into 3D mode.

So to make it clear, pro 1 has a full set of its own controls for 2D and separate ones for 3D the same with pro 2.

Thanks!

Looking forward to that! And does that hold only for the professional modes?

Because for THX for example I know that if you make adjustments to contrast and brightness in 3d and switched back to THX 2D it would keep these contrast and brightness settings. I think that is a fault of the set.

[neilmcl]

Originally Posted by andyg20owner

@bumtious.
What do you think about this fbr 1520 firmware fix?

He's already posted his thoughts in the VT30 owner's thread.

[neilmcl]

Originally Posted by PuntNL

Thanks!

Looking forward to that! And does that hold only for the professional modes?

Because for THX for example I know that if you make adjustments to contrast and brightness in 3d and switched back to THX 2D it would keep these contrast and brightness settings. I think that is a fault of the set.

Have you tried locking the settings, does this make a difference?

[Magdat]

Looking forward to bumptious' settings found with the set of GAZ.

[Pazman]

Originally Posted by 939

Hello gang,

This is George Lucas writing from Modesto California.
I had Humpty Dumpty over for a calibration of my VT30 and all I can say is wow, I never imagined Star Wars could look so nice on a TV.

Sorry I can't communicate Humpty's secret settings but this is a miracle, compared to the lame THX mode I can say that Chewbacca's fur is now displayed exactly the way I saw it on the stage, I can even count each hair on it individually.

My regards to the VT30 enthusiast crowd.

(I feel a ban coming)....

Lmao. Lol lol brilliant.

[gaz2810i]

Originally Posted by 939

Hello gang,

This is George Lucas writing from Modesto California.
I had Humpty Dumpty over for a calibration of my VT30 and all I can say is wow, I never imagined Star Wars could look so nice on a TV.

Sorry I can't communicate Humpty's secret settings but this is a miracle, compared to the lame THX mode I can say that Chewbacca's fur is now displayed exactly the way I saw it on the stage, I can even count each hair on it individually.

My regards to the VT30 enthusiast crowd.

(I feel a ban coming)....

Really funny, maybe if it wasn't aimed at me I would be laughing but seriously mate what is the problem. I have paid someone to make my TV the best it can be yet you seem to expect me to hand these out to you, as a way for you to save yourself a few bucks. I could give you my settings but why should I

If these were my own settings that I had worked on myself I would be sharing but these are not.

[PuntNL]

Originally Posted by gaz2810i

Really funny, maybe if it wasn't aimed at me I would be laughing but seriously mate what is the problem. I have paid someone to make my TV the best it can be yet you seem to expect me to hand these out to you, as a way for you to save yourself a few bucks. I could give you my settings but why should I

If these were my own settings that I had worked on myself I would be sharing but these are not.

Well I also invest in a colorimeter and a software license and share them, but hey that is everyones own choice of course. I just like to share them and get the discussion started about them. Furthermore these settings just dont carry over 1 to 1, maybe they will provide a nice picture but noone will have the perfect greyscale you got with those values as every set is different.

But Its your money and therefor your decision! I completely respect that. Especially after such a childish (though still kinda funny) reaction. I dont see the point 939? Just respect eachother. Your posts tend to be kind of offensive sometimes.

[gaz2810i]

Originally Posted by 939

My post has as much added value to the community as yours, zero, nada.

The big difference is however that mine is not a disguised publicity ad....

OK i said all I said only because I want to advertise another mans business. Am I not allowed to offer an opinion on here about how happy I am with my TV now calibrated. Can I not respond to people who have asked me to give my thoughts by PM and on the thread. Who asked for your thoughts

If you don't believe in set calibration that's up-to you. If you have a personal problem with either me or Bumptious then fine but seriously it was a little immature to attack me in this way. I'm not gonna respond to your comments anymore as I can't see the point in arguing, sorry if that disappoints you.

Originally Posted by PuntNL

Well I also invest in a colorimeter and a software license and share them, but hey that is everyones own choice of course. I just like to share them and get the discussion started about them. Furthermore these settings just dont carry over 1 to 1, maybe they will provide a nice picture but noone will have the perfect greyscale you got with those values as every set is different.

But Its your money and therefor your decision! I completely respect that. Especially after such a childish (though still kinda funny) reaction. I dont see the point 939? Just respect eachother. Your posts tend to be kind of offensive sometimes.

I see exactly where you are coming from their mate and I had not thought about that. I have shared settings before but choose not to do so now, thanks for seeing my right to do so.

Going back to what 939 said about the Advert comment, although my comments were not intended to be that way I may also add that another reason for not divulging my settings is because they were a product of another mans living and hard work. Is it really moral or fair for me to dish these out in that respect. I say no.

[Smurfin]

God, what is it with these Panasonic threads They seem to bring out the worst in people...

[neilmcl]

Originally Posted by 939

(I feel a ban coming)....

I'd doubt you'll be missed.

[Pazman]

Originally Posted by neilmcl

I'd doubt you'll be missed.

I would dare say more then you ! Looking at past and present contribution of helpful information posted ,experience and don't forget humour
I think he has contributed way more useful posts then yourself .

[tele1962]

Right lads this is the way i think of it, yes it is ok to share settings either Pro or Armature and yes they will get you in the general ball park........... but it will never be right and for me the only way to achieve this is to get an expert like Steve (Bumtious) or to invest in some equipment, but i still consider the professional route to be the best, and to get a pro to do it really is a very good investment.

[beermat999]

What is an approximate cost of a professional calibration?

[neilmcl]

Originally Posted by Smurfin

God, what is it with these Panasonic threads They seem to bring out the worst in people...

+1, I'm with you on that. Thankfully it's only a minority of posters who prefer attacking others rather than contributing in a constructive manner.