[tvjunky]

Originally Posted by tele1962

Getting my G20 tomorrow as a replacement for a G10 with black level & IR issues.
I will be keeping a very close eye on it and keeping my fingers crossed as i still have my doubts that i have done the right thing, but thats me.

I am also planning on calibrating it as i have an Eye One but to begin this will be rough calibration until i get about 300hours on the clock then i will do a little more in depth tweaking.

Well done, perhaps you could share your settings once setup and please keep us updated with your tweaks.

[tele1962]

Cheers will do but remeber my settings are for my tv and the best way to do it is get a Profesional calibration or invest in some calibration gear to properly set up your tv.

[BYF]

Originally Posted by tele1962

Cheers will do but remeber my settings are for my tv and the best way to do it is get a Profesional calibration or invest in some calibration gear to properly set up your tv.

Agree, or just put it onto THX and be done with it, surely it's close enough for most? If not then why feature a THX mode if it's not accurate.

[beerhov]

Originally Posted by tele1962

I am also planning on calibrating it as i have an Eye One but to begin this will be rough calibration until i get about 300hours on the clock then i will do a little more in depth tweaking.

What s/w do you use? Would you recommend purchasing an Eye One?

[tele1962]

Originally Posted by beerhov

What s/w do you use? Would you recommend purchasing an Eye One?

Hello mate, i am a bit picky to say the least but yes i would recommend them.
Also s/w i use is here for free and it is an excellent guide.


GREYSCALE & COLOUR CALIBRATION FOR DUMMIES

[RichWalk]

Originally Posted by tele1962

Cheers will do but remeber my settings are for my tv and the best way to do it is get a Profesional calibration or invest in some calibration gear to properly set up your tv.

This very good point should be made a lot more clear on forums like this, well said

[beerhov]

Originally Posted by tele1962

Hello mate, i am a bit picky to say the least but yes i would recommend them.
Also s/w i use is here for free and it is an excellent guide.


GREYSCALE & COLOUR CALIBRATION FOR DUMMIES

Cheers Barry.

By just calibrating via eye, as in the http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasma-tvs/814938-what-best-picture-settings-your-tv-find-out-here.html vids, which are bloody good, I can see an improvement.

And also, if I invest £150ish in the Eye One, I can use it to monitor my G20 over the next few hours, so becomes an insurance policy, saving ££s in the long run... I can then also use it on the bedroom LCD...

Good luck with your G20 replacement, will be interesting to see how it fares

[tele1962]

Originally Posted by beerhov

Cheers Barry.

By just calibrating via eye, as in the http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasma-tvs/814938-what-best-picture-settings-your-tv-find-out-here.html vids, which are bloody good, I can see an improvement.

And also, if I invest £150ish in the Eye One, I can use it to monitor my G20 over the next few hours, so becomes an insurance policy, saving ££s in the long run... I can then also use it on the bedroom LCD...

Good luck with your G20 replacement, will be interesting to see how it fares

Try here mate,also somone posted a link to a seller on Ebay but i can't find it.


http://www.warehouseexpress.com/buy-...lay-LT_1012118

[chris6]

Agreed G20 does an excellent job with SD, which approaches HD in clarity.

On a lot of panels when compared to crt, e.g. with 'talking heads' against lighter coloured backdrop such as news progs, the effect can be a bit like paper cut out figures.

Imo, and when G20 is compared to crt, this is a difference which is not noticeable with sharpness set to the middle, while detail is still maintained and colour and image steadiness is good with THX, other extra settings off.

No complaints so far: Freesat and BBC iplayer are very worthwhile additions, and it takes up so much less space

[tele1962]

Originally Posted by BYF

Agree, or just put it onto THX and be done with it, surely it's close enough for most? If not then why feature a THX mode if it's not accurate.

It is great mate and most people will be happy with it but i am as i have said a bit picky and it can be made better.

[ManiacMatt]

Hi guys, been watching this thread for weeks now and have been unsure whether to get a G20 due to me doing a lot of gaming. I'm currently gaming on an old 32" Orion LCD so anything would be a step up in terms of quality, but there seems to be very little input lag with my Orion LCD.

Anyways, I was just wandering if anyone could post the cheapest prices they have found all 3 models for? e.g the 42, 46 and 50?

Amazon are doing the 42" for £838.90 at the moment which sounds a steal for some gaming upstairs, but also looking into buying a 46 or 50 for downstairs at some point.

I work for an insurance company so should be able to join costco but still need to look into this. I've rang the local Solihull Panasonic dealer due to the 5 year warranty and they're charging £1,100 for the 42"!

Any help is much appreciated

Thanks

Matt

[NewTvSoon]

Hi all, new member, 1st post.

I've spent quite some time reading numerous threads and posts on these forums and felt it was time!

I'm almost 100% certain that i'm getting a 46" G20 within the next month but there's a couple of things i need to clear up before i do if anyone can help.

I currently own 2 ageing CRT's, a 28" Panny (award winner at the time) and a 32" JVC which was donated. The Panny in the bedroom is brilliant, but then i've always been a fan, so i dont need much persuasion. Unfortunately because it's bigger, the JVC is our main TV and we view from 9-10ft.

We currently have BT Vision, believe or not, running from a portable ariel at about 85%+ signal strength, which is really quite impressive. Luckily we are on a hill pretty much facing the Mendip transmitter so have strong signal. We rent a flat and couldn't have Sky and for some reason the coax into the flat was useless so we tried the portable with a freeview box and it was spot on.

So...the flats now have a communal dish so we can get SkyHD. BT Vision is pricy with the broadband etc and with a free HD box and install with Sky i've worked out i'll actually save a tenner a month for the package i need.

So what do i do? Cancel the BT Vision and broadband, buy the G20 and an HDD so i dont lose pause and record, while hoping the built in FreeviewHD will still be good enough through the aerial.....or cancel BT Vision and broadband and go for SkyHD and broadband.

Everything we watch at the moment is SD. I dont have blueray and i've been waiting til we get a new TV til i get a PS3 or X-box. We also have a Wii. Add to that it's all been on a CRT and the usual questions come up. How do i get the very best from SD, bearing in mind any form of HD will blow me away. I've already mentioned our viewing distance and i appreciate essentially the closer you are to HD the better, but even if i get SkyHD i'll still be watching a fair bit of SD and i don't want to go above a 46 because of this, plus the mrs has already been persuaded up from a 42 and i dont wanna push it as the TV is gonna be a wedding present!

Thanks for your patience, unless you've already nodded off!
Any advice appreciated.

p.s. I really dont mind if you all recommend SkyHD, that would be my choice!

[ccarcher]

Originally Posted by chris6

Agreed G20 does an excellent job with SD, which approaches HD in clarity.

On a lot of panels when compared to crt, e.g. with 'talking heads' against lighter coloured backdrop such as news progs, the effect can be a bit like paper cut out figures.

Imo, and when G20 is compared to crt, this is a difference which is not noticeable with sharpness set to the middle, while detail is still maintained and colour and image steadiness is good with THX, other extra settings off.

No complaints so far: Freesat and BBC iplayer are very worthwhile additions, and it takes up so much less space

So far I am delighted with my G20, I am convinced, the picture quality is getting better day by day, SD is looking almost HD to me as each day passes

I'm also starting to love the THX settings, takes some getting used to but I think it just looks a lot more natural and does a good job for those without the means to calibrate in their own environment

One thing (and waiting to be shot down in flames here) but can someone tell me in simple terms, what are the differences (and therefore the benefits) of having both Freesat and Freeview HD on this panel

not connected my freesat up just yet but planning to do so once my new satelite cable arrives

[davemo]

i have asked this question on a previous post, so i do apologise for repeating it but it is of importance to me- with a 9ft viewing distance will a 46" g20 give me a noticeably inferior picture quality when viewing sd content over a 42"? i am stuck between waiting for a 42" v20 (which i have laid a deposit down for) and going for a 46" g20.

as i havnt seen the extra features of the v20 in person, i am of the opinion that i wont miss them.

in theory i am aware it would be a yes but i would really appreciate some feedback from actual owners!

[tvjunky]

Originally Posted by davemo

i have asked this question on a previous post, so i do apologise for repeating it but it is of importance to me- with a 9ft viewing distance will a 46" g20 give me a noticeably inferior picture quality when viewing sd content over a 42"? i am stuck between waiting for a 42" v20 (which i have laid a deposit down for) and going for a 46" g20.

as i havnt seen the extra features of the v20 in person, i am of the opinion that i wont miss them.

in theory i am aware it would be a yes but i would really appreciate some feedback from actual owners!

I am quite happy with the quality of SD from 50G20, viewing from approx 8-10ft distance.Tbh, depending on quality of SD broadcast it sometimes looks very close to HD.

[skank1]

sorry for asking again, but what would you guys do
buy a 50g20 or a lg 50pk950?

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by skank1

sorry for asking again, but what would you guys do
buy a 50g20 or a lg 50pk950?

Why are you asking this on a g20 thread????
Go look at these and make your own mind up.
LG PK950 review - FlatpanelsHD
Panasonic G20 review - FlatpanelsHD

[skank1]

Originally Posted by robmac65

Why are you asking this on a g20 thread????
Go look at these and make your own mind up.
LG PK950 review - FlatpanelsHD
Panasonic G20 review - FlatpanelsHD

thanks for the good advice ! i'm a lot with that !

i'm asking this here, cause i ordered a g20 and its taking long, cause the factory cant follow the demand
and i might be able to change to the lg 950

[alsina]

Originally Posted by skank1

thanks for the good advice ! i'm a lot with that !

i'm asking this here, cause i ordered a g20 and its taking long, cause the factory cant follow the demand
and i might be able to change to the lg 950

Interesting. Presume you are not in the UK as Panasonic UK have plenty of stock of the G20 and are these are readily available for dealers to order?

[skank1]

Originally Posted by alsina

Interesting. Presume you are not in the UK as Panasonic UK have plenty of stock of the G20 and are these are readily available for dealers to order?

correct, im in belgium

[Brimstone]

Originally Posted by hodg100

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Originally Posted by tangiebaals
I think the service menu access must be different for the G20 too from the G10. I tried to access it on mine to see the running time (with the vol-, info thing) and it went to a "system test" menu and performed a factory reset.
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It's not info you press it's 0 (zero)
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Hmm, that's contrary to a calibration pdf I found that told how to do it (that applied to the 12G Pannys).
Is it just the 13G's that are different, or is it a USA/UK difference? (guide was linked from avsforum)
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Try it as I suggested, it's a US/UK difference

Hi,

I have just bought a 46" S10 (2009/12gen) and have started the the D-Nice AVS break-in procedure (120hrs) with the photo slides, from here:
The Official Panasonic 12G Settings/Issues Thread - AVS Forum

I was planning to play with the example calibrated SM settings (until i learn to calibrate) using the same pdf guide (by Mistah_g), from here:
The Official Panasonic 12G Settings/Issues Thread - Page 89 - AVS Forum

I wasn't aware of the UK/US difference for entering the SM, so thanks for the early warning heads-up :-)

Question - are there any other important differences (that could cause me problems) between UK & US panny plasma's regarding the SM or settings that anyone knows of?

Cheers, Mark.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by skank1

thanks for the good advice ! i'm a lot with that !

i'm asking this here, cause i ordered a g20 and its taking long, cause the factory cant follow the demand
and i might be able to change to the lg 950

Any time my friend
And next time if you put the full reason in the first place, then maybe you would not have got such an answer.

[ccarcher]

Originally Posted by tvjunky

I am quite happy with the quality of SD from 50G20, viewing from approx 8-10ft distance.Tbh, depending on quality of SD broadcast it sometimes looks very close to HD.

I'm around 12ft from my 46" and am absolutely delighted with the picture quality and panel

I opted for the 46" due to the location and size of the wall it was to go on rather than anything else, would have opted for the 50" if I had the space on the wall, especially at the price Costco were selling at

SD looks almost as good as HD at times, currently watching ITVHD on FreeviewHD and flicking back to ITV on Freeview the difference is barely noticeable

One thing I have noticed on Freeview HD is that the volume level is noticeable lower on ITV / BBC / CH4 HD channels when compared to normal SD channels

Having not had access to HD before is this the norm ?

[ChippyAft]

All -
I'm controlling my G20 with a Harmony One remote. Almost everything is working great, with the exception of my Wii.

The Wii is connected via component cable directly to the TV, and although the Harmony One is configured to select the "Component" input, the TV turns to "AV3" instead.

If I manually select "Component" using the AV menu, everything works fine. Has anyone else had problems selecting the component input with a Harmony remote?

cheers
Chippy

[rewerb]

Originally Posted by NewTvSoon

So...the flats now have a communal dish so we can get SkyHD. BT Vision is pricy with the broadband etc and with a free HD box and install with Sky i've worked out i'll actually save a tenner a month for the package i need.

So what do i do? Cancel the BT Vision and broadband, buy the G20 and an HDD so i dont lose pause and record, while hoping the built in FreeviewHD will still be good enough through the aerial.....or cancel BT Vision and broadband and go for SkyHD and broadband.

Everything we watch at the moment is SD. I dont have blueray and i've been waiting til we get a new TV til i get a PS3 or X-box. We also have a Wii. Add to that it's all been on a CRT and the usual questions come up. How do i get the very best from SD, bearing in mind any form of HD will blow me away. I've already mentioned our viewing distance and i appreciate essentially the closer you are to HD the better, but even if i get SkyHD i'll still be watching a fair bit of SD and i don't want to go above a 46 because of this, plus the mrs has already been persuaded up from a 42 and i dont wanna push it as the TV is gonna be a wedding present!

Thanks for your patience, unless you've already nodded off!
Any advice appreciated.

p.s. I really dont mind if you all recommend SkyHD, that would be my choice!

SKY has so many HD channels (movies, sports, documentary.., the lot) and HD is much better than SD and the SKY+ box is quite cheap now...

So unless you need to cut the cost right down (Freeview/Freesat is cheaper, but not much HD) then SKY HD is the best option. Really depends on what channels you watch.

[hammonda1]

Originally Posted by ccarcher

I'm around 12ft from my 46" and am absolutely delighted with the picture quality and panel

I opted for the 46" due to the location and size of the wall it was to go on rather than anything else, would have opted for the 50" if I had the space on the wall, especially at the price Costco were selling at

SD looks almost as good as HD at times, currently watching ITVHD on FreeviewHD and flicking back to ITV on Freeview the difference is barely noticeable

One thing I have noticed on Freeview HD is that the volume level is noticeable lower on ITV / BBC / CH4 HD channels when compared to normal SD channels

Having not had access to HD before is this the norm ?

Freesat BBC HD and ITV1 HD are at very low bit rates of 9 MB/s. Skys own channels are at 16 MB/s as recommended by the EBU. Up to August 2009 the BBC HD channel was at 16 MB/s hundreds of Freesat viewers have noticed the HD quality fall. I have the 42G20 and yes it has excellent upscaling for SD.

Regards

[chris6]

Originally Posted by ccarcher

...One thing (and waiting to be shot down in flames here) but can someone tell me in simple terms, what are the differences (and therefore the benefits) of having both Freesat and Freeview HD on this panel...

I guess it is just that some people find that Freeview reception is still problematic, or marginal in some weather conditions - our daughter three miles away can't even get Freeview. It's also nice to be able to use the old dish and not to have to bother getting a Freesat box.

For recording Freeview our Humax PVR on SCART AV1 gives an excellent picture, presumably upscaled by the G20 but maybe even better than G20's tuner (and better functionality than G20 Freeview recordings on a self-powered HDD for not much more money?).

For recording Freesat we have an old Pana EX85 connected by AV2 and HDMi for recording from G20's own timer or instant-recording by Q-Link, and we can watch something else on the EX85 or Humax at the same time.

Regards

[NewTvSoon]

Originally Posted by rewerb

SKY has so many HD channels (movies, sports, documentary.., the lot) and HD is much better than SD and the SKY+ box is quite cheap now...

So unless you need to cut the cost right down (Freeview/Freesat is cheaper, but not much HD) then SKY HD is the best option. Really depends on what channels you watch.

Thanks,

I don't mind paying the subscription, as i said, Sky will still work out cheaper thank BT anyway so quids in. Just wanted to know whether the sky box is as good as i'm gonna get from SD, (or will the TV upscale any SD from any source to the same level), after all, i'm still after as close as i can get to my 32" CRT with a 46" plasma and as good as i know the G20 will be, it's still a hard ask.

[rewerb]

Originally Posted by NewTvSoon

Thanks,

I don't mind paying the subscription, as i said, Sky will still work out cheaper thank BT anyway so quids in. Just wanted to know whether the sky box is as good as i'm gonna get from SD, (or will the TV upscale any SD from any source to the same level), after all, i'm still after as close as i can get to my 32" CRT with a 46" plasma and as good as i know the G20 will be, it's still a hard ask.

I dont have the G20, but by all accounts the SD upscaling is very good, definitely better than the G10. The SKY box has never been rated hat good at upscaling SD and lots of people say it's better feeding the SD through the SCART to the TV and letting the TV upscale.

[NewTvSoon]

Originally Posted by rewerb

I dont have the G20, but by all accounts the SD upscaling is very good, definitely better than the G10. The SKY box has never been rated hat good at upscaling SD and lots of people say it's better feeding the SD through the SCART to the TV and letting the TV upscale.

Thats the impression i got. Think it's gonna be Sky then with HDMI for HD and scart for SD, let the TV do the work for the money!

Thanks