[Mark Hodgkinson]

Originally Posted by BYF

Nice

I may well be tempted then, just wish the faster phosphors were available on the G20 as I don't think I can stretch to the VT series, is it likely these faster phosphors will be on the G series in 2011?

As clear smooth fast motion is my main priority.

In your case, I certainly wouldn't buy one without seeing it in action first. There were a number of users unhappy with the G10's notion handling and if the G20 is just an evolution of the G10 panel, then I think it would be wise to check

[GarethH]

I'm stuck on what to do. I've been waiting for a V10 since November. Now I can't afford much more and don't want to wait.

Shall I get the G20 or wait fo the V25? So stuck on what to do?

Is the G20 as thin and on par with the old V10?

[rewerb]

Originally Posted by GarethH

I'm stuck on what to do. I've been waiting for a V10 since November. Now I can't afford much more and don't want to wait.

Shall I get the G20 or wait fo the V25? So stuck on what to do?

Is the G20 as thin and on par with the old V10?

There is an interesting post on the US forums, suggesting that the G20 and VT20 are the same panel (same phosphors) and the only difference is the filters, despite what the marketing blurb says.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=2571

[monkeyboy69]

Is the G20 as thin and on par with the old V10?

in the same boat myself and have been waiting since november too, from what i can deduce from this thread i woudl say yes if not better which is why i will be canceling my v10 order and going for the g20. I think thickess of the set is irrelavent though, they are all going to be around the same ballpark there

[SHATNERSTACTIC]

Originally Posted by GarethH

I'm stuck on what to do. I've been waiting for a V10 since November. Now I can't afford much more and don't want to wait.

Shall I get the G20 or wait fo the V25? So stuck on what to do?

Is the G20 as thin and on par with the old V10?

Judging by the reception the G20 got in the videos posted earlier in the thread you'd expect this model to match the V10 in performance in some areas (THX) and exceed it in others (blacks, calibration, connectivity/peripherals). There seems to be genuine hope that Panasonic's new consumer panels, G series up, will raise the bar above and beyond what Pioneer achieved before they signed off.

I'd go for the G20 now if I were in your shoes.

[Grrrrrene]

Originally Posted by rewerb

There is an interesting post on the US forums, suggesting that the G20 and VT20 are the same panel (same phosphors) and the only difference is the filters, despite what the marketing blurb says.

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I don't really see how he suggests they are the same phosphors? He says an engineer would say something different than the marketing guys. The post he replies to speaks about phosphors, but also about drive tech and rising black levels. It's not clear to me what part of that the reply you refer to is about.

Anyway: it should be fairly easy to prove your wrong or right. If the phosphors are the same in the G20, the phosphor trails should be nearly absent, like in the VT20. I think Phil can easily have that tested in the review of both models (assuming he can test them side by side).

[sampo]

Originally Posted by rewerb

There is an interesting post on the US forums, suggesting that the G20 and VT20 are the same panel (same phosphors) and the only difference is the filters, despite what the marketing blurb says.

Have you read any of the first hand impressions? That guy is notorious for spreading misinformation, so take the words with a bucket load of salt.

[rewerb]

Originally Posted by Grrrrrene

I don't really see how he suggests they are the same phosphors? He says an engineer would say something different than the marketing guys. The post he replies to speaks about phosphors, but also about drive tech and rising black levels. It's not clear to me what part of that the reply you refer to is about.

Anyway: it should be fairly easy to prove your wrong or right. If the phosphors are the same in the G20, the phosphor trails should be nearly absent, like in the VT20. I think Phil can easily have that tested in the review of both models (assuming he can test them side by side).

You need to go back a few posts and pick up thread 2559 where the initial statement is made. People try to correct him, but he finishes with the statement that implies the information came from an Engineer. The poster is is a well known and respected poster who has extensive contacts (D-Nice). He is almost invariably correct.

[Grrrrrene]

Originally Posted by sampo

Have you read any of the first hand impressions? That guy is notorious for spreading misinformation, so take the words with a bucket load of salt.

Hmm, that's kind of the opposite of what rewerb says :D

Originally Posted by rewerb

You need to go back a few posts and pick up thread 2559 where the initial statement is made. People try to correct him, but he finishes with the statement that implies the information came from an Engineer. The poster is is a well known and respected poster who has extensive contacts (D-Nice). He is almost invariably correct.

I don't know, it's the internet and as long as Panasonic tells me that the VT20 has faster phosphors (sounds expensive), I don't believe "some guy" who says he knows better because some engineer said something else. I'll keep the remark in mind, but I value a good review that tells the phosphors apart much more

[sampo]

Originally Posted by Grrrrrene

Hmm, that's kind of the opposite of what rewerb says :D

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Look no further.

[TheBlueRaja]

Originally Posted by Grrrrrene

I don't really see how he suggests they are the same phosphors? He says an engineer would say something different than the marketing guys. The post he replies to speaks about phosphors, but also about drive tech and rising black levels. It's not clear to me what part of that the reply you refer to is about.

Anyway: it should be fairly easy to prove your wrong or right. If the phosphors are the same in the G20, the phosphor trails should be nearly absent, like in the VT20. I think Phil can easily have that tested in the review of both models (assuming he can test them side by side).

This is what bothers me - phosphor trails have been present for years - i have an PX60 and posted about it back in the day but nobody but me could see them apparently on their set and the reviews of the time didnt mention them either.

This is why im really interested in the VT20, but im going to be right peeved it they are still there despite all the hype.

Reviews should be crystal clear on the VT20 as to how much phosphor trails are reduced, after all its a feature of the new sets that will be specifically paying for.

[JohnG]

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

This is what bothers me - phosphor trails have been present for years - i have an PX60 and posted about it back in the day but nobody but me could see them apparently on their set and the reviews of the time didnt mention them either.

This is why im really interested in the VT20, but im going to be right peeved it they are still there despite all the hype.

Reviews should be crystal clear on the VT20 as to how much phosphor trails are reduced, after all its a feature of the new sets that will be specifically paying for.

I suppose the only way to be sure it to go and see one in the flesh before buying. I don't think I'd buy anything without seeing/hearing it first.

[RichWalk]

Originally Posted by rewerb

You need to go back a few posts and pick up thread 2559 where the initial statement is made. People try to correct him, but he finishes with the statement that implies the information came from an Engineer. The poster is is a well known and respected poster who has extensive contacts (D-Nice). He is almost invariably correct.

"Since displaying 3D images involves alternate displays of left- and right-eye images, reducing the overlap (cross-talk) between these images is essential for high-quality 3D images. Panasonic’s VT20 series uses a frame-sequential method that displays images frame by frame extremely quickly, making use of PDPs’ rapid response times and thus dramatically reducing crosstalk. The use of newly-developed phosphors with short luminescence decay time - one third the time of conventional phosphors - as well as illumination control technology has enabled the cross-talk reduction technology to successfully minimize double images."

from Panasonics site (UK) would they lie to us?

[Grrrrrene]

Originally Posted by RichWalk

from Panasonics site (UK) would they lie to us?

They don't say this technology isn't present in the V20/G20

[RichWalk]

Originally Posted by Grrrrrene

They don't say this technology isn't present in the V20/G20

Nope, they don't fairly sure it won't be though

[Tony Lazzerini]

Originally Posted by Tony Lazzerini

Our pricing isn't really firm yet, but it is indicative. For the pre-orders we have taken so far the price is not yet firm. As soon as we confirm a price our pre-order policy will be that:
a) the maximum price you pay is the price at the time you pre-ordered.
b) if the price goes down then that is the price you pay on delivery
c) any deposit you pay is fully refundable if you change your mind for any reason - but you go to the back of the queue if you later decide to go ahead

So you can be sure of both getting our best price, and not losing your deposit if you change your mind. And of course all our TVs includes a free 5-year in-you-home warranty.

Tony

Sorry to interrupt guys, but can I just clarify my above post?

The price of the 65VT20 in particular has not been announced by Panasonic, but Phil Hinton posted indicative pricing based on fairly high-level conversations with Panasonic representatives at Munich.

At the moment the price is NOT confirmed, but as soon as it is we will publish a definitive price. At that point our pre-order policy will apply, i.e. at that point we promise that the price won't go up, and that, having paid a deposit, if you change your mind we will refund the deposit in full for any reason.

At the moment we are taking pre-orders on the basis that the pricing is indicative. As a consequence we are not taking deposits, but at least for the people who have pre-ordered with us, they will get first bite of the cherry when price and availability is known.

In the meantime Phil is trying to get more information from his contacts at Panasonic....

Back to your normal programming....

Tony

[zinzun]

Originally Posted by Grrrrrene

They don't say this technology isn't present in the V20/G20

They also don't say that the V20/G20 is not 3D...
anyway - point is that Panasonic knows that faster phosphor sells well so there is no point not to say it when it exist, that would be a beginner marketing mistake...

If you don't find strong features in the spec list, that's because they do not exist in that model...

[Grrrrrene]

Originally Posted by zinzun

They also don't say that the V20/G20 is not 3D...
anyway - point is that Panasonic knows that faster phosphor sells well so there is no point not to say it when it exist, that would be a beginner marketing mistake...

If you don't find strong features in the spec list, that's because they do not exist in that model...

Don't take my reply to seriously. In my opinion people are making each other crazy with assumptions based on one interpretation of a post of somebody they don't really know. And it doesn't really matter anyway, since the G20 and V(T)20 haven't been reviewed yet.

Oh, and the VT20 isn't even available for months

[zinzun]

Originally Posted by Grrrrrene

Don't take my reply to seriously. In my opinion people are making each other crazy with assumptions based on one interpretation of a post of somebody they don't really know. And it doesn't really matter anyway, since the G20 and V(T)20 haven't been reviewed yet.

com'on Pana...please release earlier...Samsung is around the corner...

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[Klikker]

Originally Posted by rewerb

There is an interesting post on the US forums, suggesting that the G20 and VT20 are the same panel (same phosphors) and the only difference is the filters, despite what the marketing blurb says.

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I am sure that the Panny guy said in the video at the start of this thread that the S20 has the old G10 panel and that the V and G 20's have new (kuro?) panels.

[Jazz Monkey Jr]

Originally Posted by Klikker

I am sure that the Panny guy said in the video at the start of this thread that the S20 has the old G10 panel and that the V and G 20's have new (kuro?) panels.

On the videos they both have the same panel technology (Kuro) but the VT20 as better phosphurs.

[Jury]

yea in Slovenia online shop Panasonic TX-P42G20E plazma televizor (42", Full HD)

i wait for 50G20E or 50VT20E.

[Jazz Monkey Jr]

Originally Posted by Jury

yea in Slovenia online shop Panasonic TX-P42G20E plazma televizor (42", Full HD)

i wait for 50G20E or 50VT20E.

Its saying 24 month warranty aswell.

[Jury]

What is the difference between
TX-P50GW20 and TX-P50G20

[sampo]

Originally Posted by Jury

What is the difference between
TX-P50GW20 and TX-P50G20

GW20 has satellite tuner and higher retail price.

[Phil Hinton]

I re-checked with Panasonic today on pricing and the approximate pricing remains unchanged for the VT20 but is yet to be fully confirmed.

[rewerb]

Originally Posted by Jury

What is the difference between
TX-P50GW20 and TX-P50G20

GW20 is a European model. The G20E for Europe doesnt have a satellite tuner, the GW20E does.

[TheBlueRaja]

Originally Posted by Phil Hinton

I re-checked with Panasonic today on pricing and the approximate pricing remains unchanged for the VT20 but is yet to be fully confirmed.

Phil is that £2000 or £2200?

[BYF]

Originally Posted by hodg100

In your case, I certainly wouldn't buy one without seeing it in action first. There were a number of users unhappy with the G10's motion handling and if the G20 is just an evolution of the G10 panel, then I think it would be wise to check

I have a G10, and while it's a bit better than my PX70 for fast motion it's far from where I want it to be.

Will definitely give the G20 and VT20 a test before a purchase with my favorite fast panning games and sports footage, what I'm really after is CRT like motion detail.

I won't be buying for a while any way so plenty of time to hear user feedback, I only buy end of line models now due to the huge savings so probably won't be until Xmas until I purchase.

[kitus]

Originally Posted by GarethH

I'm stuck on what to do. I've been waiting for a V10 since November. Now I can't afford much more and don't want to wait.

Shall I get the G20 or wait fo the V25? So stuck on what to do?

Is the G20 as thin and on par with the old V10?

Hi there,

GarethH, you've read my mind. I've been intending to purchase the v10 for several months and it didn't work out in the end...

The G20 is supposed to perform better than the V10 in some aspects while giving great value in some others. Some people even suggest that the new G20 may be considered to be the natural successor of the V10.

If that's the case, I should be good to go with the G20 but as any human being, reading about the V20 and VT20 I start wondering "what if I spend little more and...". Damn it, I hate having this much information!!!

BTW, I'm pretty amazed at prices. Check this out: Buscador de productos / SUPERSONIDO
Donno if those prices are only for pre-ordering or what but man, that is indeed affordable, right?

Do you guys really think that it makes sense to wait for the V20?? i've read the whole thread up to this point but I don't yet seem to know what the differences are or what should I do... For us design is important but these two models are about the same thickness after what I can see on the official website.

Thanks,