[KhalJimbo]

Hi All

I am looking to upgrade mycurrent plasma and BDP but am wondering if I should wait for the 3D ready stuff to hit the market. Anyideas when this stuff will be readily avalable and how much it will cost? Is it even worth waiting for it or should I just upgrade anyway?

I know panasonic are bringing out a 3D TV but its 103" and not sure everyone has room for something like that in their house, I know I certainly dont. Now also regarding 3D, what about main stream TV? I have been reading and seeing that some stations are going to use a 3D system which requires shutter glasses and some that require polarized lenses like in the cinema. So does this mean we are in for another format war?

[Gae]

I am looking to upgrade mycurrent plasma and BDP but am wondering if I should wait for the 3D ready stuff to hit the market.

It all depends how much interest you have in 3D I guess. I'd wait a while if you think it's something you might be interested in.

Personally, as a 3D fan, I'm not rushing out to buy a 3D ready TV yet as I can already watch 3D stuff on my PC and projector (SD resolution). I'm also waiting to see how the 3D market evolves, both for TVs and Players and waiting to see what Sky come up with for their 3D channel. At the moment, there is a lack of 3D source material anyway. Apart from some field sequential movies on DVD there's not much true 3D available although the Net is getting to be one of the best sources of 3D clips and trailers.....try YouTube etc.

It's early days yet but things will no doubt speed up once we get into 2010.

[Clint007]

Hello!

I'm new in AVForum, I was looking on the net to get anything about 3D and I found you post.

As far as I know, most TV company in Japan are going that way every week, there is a new add to the list. (competition!)

I think it is important the used of the same protocole world wide to get the same system worldwide.

It could also mean the 3D system could easyly applied to Games, projections, Cinema and also computers. Yes, computers.

All this will be will be aviable soon. The competition is on now!
Sad for those who just bought their HD TV in big screen, but we live in consummer system and company want to sell new product. Some TV are and will be mark "3D Ready".
Myself i'm waiting for the 3D-HD-TV (next year)

Clint007.

[jaymac]

Its going to be a worse format war than blu ray and HD I'd forget it for now

[Clint007]

What do you mean! (Format war?)

[jaymac]

Originally Posted by Clint007

What do you mean! (Format war?)

Do you mean you think there is only one way to show 3d there are at least 3 different methods

[Clint007]

It is only starting to make 3D movies (I don't have a recent list of 3D games)

List of 3D movies
2008:
U2 3D (January 25th, 2008) Performances from seven of U2's shows on the Latin America Vertigo Tour in early 2006 converted into 3D.

Fly Me to the Moon (February 15th, 2008) - A computer animated tale of three young houseflies that stow away aboard the Apollo 11 flight to the moon.

Journey 3-D (July 11th, 2008) - Visual effects supervisor turned director Eric Brevig's take on the classic Jules Verne novel, "Journey to the Center of the Earth" starring Brendan Fraser and Josh Hutcherson.

Coraline (Fall 2008) - Written and directed by Henry Selick of Nightmare Before Christmas; stop-animated story about a girl who discovers a bricked-up wall behind a door in her home that leads to another world.

The Dark Country (Unconfirmed 2008) - A sci-fi noir thriller directed by Thomas Jane based on a forthcoming graphic novel that's being shot entirely in 3D.

Final Destination 4 (Unconfirmed 2008) - Final Destination 2 director David R. Ellis returns to the franchise for another sequel that will be in 3D.

2009:
Monsters vs. Aliens (March 27th, 2009) - A DreamWorks reinvention of the classic ’50s monster movie; directed by Rob Letterman (Shark Tale).

James Cameron's Avatar (May 22nd, 2009) - A band of humans are pitted in a battle against a distant planet's indigenous population. Revolutionary filmmaking techniques and a $190 million budget.

Robert Zemeckis’ Christmas Carol (November 6th, 2009) - Zemeckis continues in the same fashion as Polar Express and Beowulf in this classic retelling that will star Jim Carrey as Scrooge.

How to Train Your Dragon (November 20th, 2009) - Based on the 2003 children's novel by British author Cressida Cowell, this is about the adventures of Hiccup Horrendous Haddock III - the teenage son of a Viking chieftain who must capture a dragon for a rite of passage.

Crood Awakening (Unconfirmed 2009) - A comedy set in the stone age directed by Chris Sanders (Lilo & Stitch).

Tintin (Unconfirmed 2009) - The adventures of the popular Belgian comic strip hero Tintin and his faithful dog Snowy come to life through Peter Jackson and Steven Spielberg.

Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland (Unconfirmed 2009) - Based on the Lewis Carroll classic with a screenplay by Linda Woolverton (The Lion King); will combine both motion capture technology and live action.

2010:
Shrek Goes Fourth (May 21st, 2010) - The further adventures of the giant green ogre, Shrek, living in the land of Far, Far Away; will discover how Shrek arrived in his swamp.

Master Mind (Fall 2010) - A satirical take on superhero movies, in which a notorious villain loses his "oomph" after he accidentally kills his nemesis.

Puss in Boots (Unconfirmed 2009) - A Shrek spin-off starring the sword fighting cat voiced by Antonio Banderas.

In Development:
Tim Burton's Frankenweenie - A feature length remake of Burton's 1984 short film that is a parody of the 1931 Frankenstein movie. The story is about a pet dog brought back to life by his loyal owner.

James Cameron's Battle Angel - Cameron's adaptation of the graphic novel about a female cyborg who is rescued from the scrapheap by a scientist, who becomes her surrogate father.

Star Wars 3D - George Lucas has announced plans to remaster all of the Star Wars films in 3D. When this might actually happen is anyones guess.

[Clint007]

Now there is a "Worldwide 3D Video Standard"

[Jonny1973]

Originally Posted by Clint007

What do you mean! (Format war?)

Shutter glasses method - Panasonic / Sony and BluRay 3D (3D Player required or new PS3 3D console)

Polarized Glasses Method - Sky

[jaymac]

Originally Posted by Clint007

Now there is a "Worldwide 3D Video Standard"

Since when Most existing Movies for tv are still based on wearing glasses on existing Tvs

[Clint007]

You mean to "watch" 3D.

Could be war bettwen visual method but not the system.

[choddo2006]

Originally Posted by Clint007

You mean to "watch" 3D.

Could be war bettwen visual method but not the system.

What's the difference?

[Clint007]

I know all those company (Sony, Panasonic, LG... ) but never heard about SKY making TV or 3D glasses!

I think the Japanese will get all the same protocol for 3D that's mean the same 3D base system otherwise it will be a free-for-all!

SKY will have to adjust is goal. (That is my two cents!)

The time will tell (in not to long).

There always a fight about will lead in any business.

Consumers don't like to make mistake, they will watch the game to see who will win. Only for HD TV, it took a while before they came out to almost the same quality's consumers are looking for.

[DigitalInky]

The Shutter Glasses method just requires a TV with a proper refresh rate of 100Hz or over. No fancy new TV (After all, you can already do it with nVidia's 3D Vision)

Another thing, Sony have stated that existing PS3's will be compatible with 3D, and i have seen prototypes of Wipeout playing on a 200Hz Bravia in 3D (Was very impressive)

[discover]

i am also in two minds about buying a new monster plasma panel or wether to wait and buy myself a 3d-ready plasma next year.
as far as i know, even a 50" screen is insufficient to really benefit from 3d. i was hoping to get a 65" screen max, anything bigger i won't be able to get it up the stairs lol.
my only concern is buying a 3d set early in it's time. i feel there may be some problems or something which needs correcting and newer updated models will be released a year later (after we fork out a few grand on a 60" 3d neopdp) just like we had 720p first then 1080p. i know it won't be resolution related but i feel the early 3d sets will have something missing or will lack something important which will be be later updated.
anyways... does anyone know anything at all about any release dates for the panny 3d plasma's??

[KhalJimbo]

what is the difference between the Shutter Glass method and the Polarized glass method? Surely if you dont need to go buy new TV's then the Shutter Glasses method would be the way to go?

[Craig uk]

AFAIK the Panasonic shutter glasses are battery operated and recieve 2 1080p signals sequentially tricking the eye into thinking its seeing one field.

I saw the Panasonic demo at Lakeside last weekend on their 103"

The other type work in the same way as any stereoscopic glasses do.

IMO Panasonics system works much better than any stereoscopic material I've seen.

[Gae]

Hang on though, surely all that is needed is either an interlaced or side by side 3D signal? After that, it is down to individual set-ups and display types whether or not we watch using shutters or polarised glasses.

Personally I watch all my 3D stuff via Stereoscopic Player. So just give me an interlaced or parallel 3D signal and I can view the material on my own set-up.

I think companies are underestimating the types of set-ups that people have these days. Not everyone just uses a standalone TV display to view content. Very often they use PCs, view TV via Satellite Cards and view internet content on Projectors etc and also have various gizmos and software to view different forms of media.

Gae

[Clint007]

Can we view the same 3D HD TV programs on any 3D Glasses? and on the same TV set?

Now about the plasma TV, did they non-reflected screen?
The reflection might disturs the viewing, could be harder with reflected!

[tvbox]

Channel 4 did a 3d week a few weeks ago, it was rather simple but did the job. I watched it on my normal tv, so whats all this '3d player' 'LCD glasses' rubbish?

[choddo2006]

Originally Posted by DigitalInky

The Shutter Glasses method just requires a TV with a proper refresh rate of 100Hz or over. No fancy new TV (After all, you can already do it with nVidia's 3D Vision)

Another thing, Sony have stated that existing PS3's will be compatible with 3D, and i have seen prototypes of Wipeout playing on a 200Hz Bravia in 3D (Was very impressive)

I don't care if the TV's 200Hz, HDMI doesn't carry more than about 75 so I bet you're going to lose half the framerate.

Would be ok for movies although at 1080i, you'll lose half the res (can't combine two fields into one frame any more) but some people might not mind that.

[choddo2006]

Originally Posted by Gae

Hang on though, surely all that is needed is either an interlaced or side by side 3D signal? After that, it is down to individual set-ups and display types whether or not we watch using shutters or polarised glasses.

Personally I watch all my 3D stuff via Stereoscopic Player. So just give me an interlaced or parallel 3D signal and I can view the material on my own set-up.

I think companies are underestimating the types of set-ups that people have these days. Not everyone just uses a standalone TV display to view content. Very often they use PCs, view TV via Satellite Cards and view internet content on Projectors etc and also have various gizmos and software to view different forms of media.

Gae

Actually I think they're estimating 99.9% of the market fine. Your setup is very unusual.

[choddo2006]

Originally Posted by tvbox

Channel 4 did a 3d week a few weeks ago, it was rather simple but did the job. I watched it on my normal tv, so whats all this '3d player' 'LCD glasses' rubbish?

How did the 3d on that work then?

[tvbox]

Originally Posted by choddo2006

How did the 3d on that work then?

Using coloured glasses.

[Clint007]

The new generation 3D-HD is not on the market yet.
Only starting in January 2010.

There will be a 3D Decoder inside.

The program will be coded from the source, to make it smaller* to transmission transport, and, then decoded in your television.

3D got two channel for video.

Sad for those who just bought their system! But, not to worry, it is take always 2 years to get well establish with all the bugs settle; also, not enough 3D programs aviable yet.

The non-3D glasses in TV is not out before ????

[Clint007]

Panasonic announces 3D HDTV for release in 2010
"Panasonic's 50-inch 3D Plasma"
Michael's Insight: Panasonic announces 3D HDTV for release in 2010

Sony 3D HDTV in 2010
Plasma Big Screen TV » Blog Archive » Sony 3D HDTV in 2010, Video

And now here, you've got everything about 3D (IT IS VERY GOOD)
3d :: HDTV.BIZ-NEWS.COM

Good morning, evening, night, afternoon (now around the globe )

Clint007.

[Liam @ Prog AV]

Take a Blu-Ray showing material at 1080p60. This shows on screen at 60Hz i.e. 60 refreshes of the screen in each second.

The active shutter glasses approach fits two 1080p60 streams into the same time period. It does this by running the screen at 120Hz and slotting the two 1080p60 streams (left eye, right eye) together. So you get L1, R1, L2, R2...... L59, R59, L60, R60 all in one second. The active glasses actively blank your right eye then your left eye exactly in sync with this. The appearance to the viewer is a single 3D 1080p image at 60Hz. Active glasses can be driven by the TV or the source. But have to be driven by something. Just having a TV that can accept 120Hz signals is not enough. You could have bluetooth glasses driven by say a PS3 using a normal TV which can accept 120Hz, although even still it would have to accept and not play about with the 120Hz input. This is very rare.

The polarised glasses method doesn't run at double the refresh rate. Instead it runs at half the resolution in the same amount of time. So instead of 1080p60 x 2 you get effectively 540p60 x 2. In a single image, each odd numbered line is right eye information, each even numbered line is left eye. A specially polarised glass on the TV itself bends light in one way for even lines and another in odd. Polarised glasses then only filter through the light which is appropriate for each eye. This method is easy for broadcast but I can't admit to liking the idea of having to get polarised glass on the TV and not thinking it is going to effect 2D stuff. And again, no standard exists and to be honest the active shutted technique is a lot better and easier to implement. The question is can Sky broadcast 1080p60x2 for a 3D channel?

[jaymac]

Originally Posted by tvbox

Using coloured glasses.

And a very darker picture on my x10

[jaymac]

Sky as others dont even broadcast 1080p on anything and cant even give dolby digital via Hdmi so cant see them going that road .Even the beeb has cut the bitrate to one of the lowest on HD doubt them either

[Craig uk]

Originally Posted by tvbox

Using coloured glasses.

Thats stereoscopic vision not proper 3D!

I'm not 100% sure which tech Sony will be using for its PS3 update next year but I wouldn't mind betting it stereoscopic.

With Panasonic's system the whole chain needs to be proper 3D. The camera filming source material, the bluray player and of course the panel.