[Jim Di Griz]

Originally Posted by Sonic-dk

I'll try to watch for it with overscan turned off. It's weird, because I never noticed it as bad as yesterday. Was seeing it especially on Gordon Ramsey's Kitchen Nightmare, and Miami Ink. Dunno if it's the SD materials fault or not?

Anyways, will try and see what it does with overscan set to off.
Thanks buddy.

Definitely better with overscan off! With overscan on I noticed a slight blur? or picture going a bit soft? - something like that anyway. Easy to spot the difference anyway! (unlike IFC on/off )

[Sonic-dk]

Allright, will try cinema mode for that then. However, the problem occured on DVB-T, which runs cinema mode allready

[tele1962]

Originally Posted by Sonic-dk

Allright, will try cinema mode for that then. However, the problem occured on DVB-T, which runs cinema mode allready

any better.

[Sonic-dk]

Well, just watched Miami Ink on Discovery, and it seems that show has the problem still. It's driving me nuts. I've only noticed it on that particular show tonight so far though. Weird stuff.

[yury2808]

Any update for IFC to be working/not on G10E?

ps. just curiouse

[Nixer]

Originally Posted by JanBosman

I went to a hifi store yesterday, and watched the G10 in action. Very good, but one thing was very bad. There was a scene where the camera was flying over a city, and on the g10 the image was not smooth at all. On an LCD tv right next to the g10, the image was very smooth.

Is this a setting, has it got something to do with the 24p or something? I really need to know as Im thinking about cancelling my order for this tv (not being smooth, phosphor lag while gaming, which i will do a lot) ...

Just been to a store and seen the same thing. Very bad judder. Spoke to the guy in the store who told me this has been an issue with Panny's for a while. Its to do with the 60hz processing. The top spec Philips and Sony LCD's alongside the Panny in the store handled judder much better.

Real bummer because i was about to pull the trigger on this set until i seen it live in action!!!!

[daz_f]

Originally Posted by Sonic-dk

Settings for SD DVB-T (Mpeg 2) is:
Cinema
Contrast: 31
Brightness: 0
Colour: 30
Sharpness: 0
Warm
and the rest set to off
High red: -2
Deep red: -4

About the same for Bluray, with the difference that I run it in Game mode.

EDIT: I haven't seen the banding this bad on BluRay or DVD, no, but again, just noticed it yesterday on DVB-T reality shows, kinda.

why changing the settings how do you know what number you are on because i just see a bar

[PuntNL]

Yesterday noticed that i had some image retention (I hope, and not some burn-in) on my G10, I passed something liker 150 hours on the set. And now have a channel logo which doesn't go away after a couple of minutes of tv playing without that logo. It's a bright white logo (who thinks of that?!?) and now in brighter color screen it appears as a transparent / shade.. Does someone has any tips and or suggestions to get rid of it? Or can some people calm me down and tell me its not permanent burn in...?

Will image retention get less and less over time?

[tele1962]

Originally Posted by PuntNL

Yesterday noticed that i had some image retention (I hope, and not some burn-in) on my G10, I passed something liker 150 hours on the set. And now have a channel logo which doesn't go away after a couple of minutes of tv playing without that logo. It's a bright white logo (who thinks of that?!?) and now in brighter color screen it appears as a transparent / shade.. Does someone has any tips and or suggestions to get rid of it? Or can some people calm me down and tell me its not permanent burn in...?

Will image retention get less and less over time?

don't panic,it will fade away. can you find a channel with no picture just interference leave your tv on that for half an hour and this should cure the problem.can i just say image retension is very rare on the Pannys.

[PuntNL]

Originally Posted by tele1962

don't panic,it will fade away. can you find a channel with no picture just interference leave your tv on that for half an hour and this should cure the problem.can i just say image retension is very rare on the Pannys.

you mean with this: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3073/...7006164877.jpg

Because I am playing a dvd now for a couple of hours, but shade still there..

Keep contrast low when playin the interference?

Good to hear image retention is rare on a panny, but that logo is just stupid bright white and it's the same logo for 4 different channels.. Hope the retention will not be a problem over time...

[tele1962]

Originally Posted by PuntNL

you mean with this: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3073/...7006164877.jpg

Because I am playing a dvd now for a couple of hours, but shade still there..

Keep contrast low when playin the interference?

Good to hear image retention is rare on a panny, but that logo is just stupid bright white and it's the same logo for 4 different channels.. Hope the retention will not be a problem over time...

yep,thats the one,hope it works.

[rewerb]

Originally Posted by Nixer

Just been to a store and seen the same thing. Very bad judder. Spoke to the guy in the store who told me this has been an issue with Panny's for a while. Its to do with the 60hz processing. The top spec Philips and Sony LCD's alongside the Panny in the store handled judder much better.

Real bummer because i was about to pull the trigger on this set until i seen it live in action!!!!

Cant comment on what you saw, but if it was 60hz then it must have been a DVD/Bluray? Blurays are fed at 24p and the TV doesnt judder with that.

[pwood]

My Old PV500 juddered a lot with the Dark Knight on Blue Ray but my 50" G10 doesn't.

[PuntNL]

Originally Posted by tele1962

yep,thats the one,hope it works.

Half hour underway with the interference... shade still there of that stupid channel logo...

EDIT: Still not gone, damn...

How to know if its image retention or burn in?

[gary965]

How long do you watch the channel which caused the problems and is it a channel that you "need" to watch (for me it is football and the terrible bright coloured logos). You may need to balance watching the channel with the possibility of damaging your tv. I used to watch Sky Sports News for hours along with news channels, however since having a plasma I have been more careful.

Image retention does get better in my experience with time, but the threat does not go completely if your set (some are worse than others)/settings/programmes are the type which are likely to cause IR. Sadly the nature of plasma tv's is such that it will always be a possibility, although with my G10 much less of a problem than my previous 2008 Samsung. You can also turn the contrast down, although I didn't as the balance between PQ I like and a dull "safer" picture was not one I was prepared to make.

Finally, the problem will always be there as long as channels persist with these stupid, vivid logos taking more and more of the screen. Rather than geting better it seems to be getting worse, Discovery Channel used to have a smallish, semi transparent logo that disappeared for 20 secs every few minutes but now uses a permanent, more bold logo, and they are one of the better ones, stupid.

[PuntNL]

Originally Posted by gary965

How long do you watch the channel which caused the problems and is it a channel that you "need" to watch (for me it is football and the terrible bright coloured logos). You may need to balance watching the channel with the possibility of damaging your tv. I used to watch Sky Sports News for hours along with news channels, however since having a plasma I have been more careful.

Image retention does get better in my experience with time, but the threat does not go completely if your set (some are worse than others)/settings/programmes are the type which are likely to cause IR. Sadly the nature of plasma tv's is such that it will always be a possibility, although with my G10 much less of a problem than my previous 2008 Samsung. You can also turn the contrast down, although I didn't as the balance between PQ I like and a dull "safer" picture was not one I was prepared to make.

Finally, the problem will always be there as long as channels persist with these stupid, vivid logos taking more and more of the screen. Rather than geting better it seems to be getting worse, Discovery Channel used to have a smallish, semi transparent logo that disappeared for 20 secs every few minutes but now uses a permanent, more bold logo, and they are one of the better ones, stupid.

I can do without those channels, in Holland we have RTL 4,5,7 and 8 All using the same white bold logo. Thats probably how it started out. I will only watch these channels on Zoom from now on...
My only concern is will this completely fade away? As I am already playing the tv without static material for all morning..

[pwood]

Originally Posted by hodg100

The scaling of SD definitely improves with it set to off but now and again you'll see some broadcast 'noise' on the edges of the picture. FWIW, I've only seen the 'noise' in one broadcast so far in nearly a weeks ownership

Channel 5 almost all the time for me but I rarely watch it and its easy to turn overscan on and off. I take it the overscan is not adjustable in its effect in the service menu. At least it can be turned off unlike my old set.

[gary965]

The consensus on here and from my own experience with my other set is that it will fade away, but may take a few days. Samsung have a special scrolling anti IR tool which I found particularly useful.

The only plasma that I have seen really burned was at work when a Sony that displayed the same data tables all day had horrendous retention, but that was just a poor choice of usage for a plasma.

Without seeing the IR I would only say that unless you had the same bright logo on your screen for hours a day over a period of time it probably won't be burn.

[tele1962]

Originally Posted by PuntNL

I can do without those channels, in Holland we have RTL 4,5,7 and 8 All using the same white bold logo. Thats probably how it started out. I will only watch these channels on Zoom from now on...
My only concern is will this completely fade away? As I am already playing the tv without static material for all morning..

i still think it will fade away

[Fattage]

Originally Posted by Jim Di Griz

Thanks! Would definitely appreciate it. From your comments and Boris360 it seems that a Panasonic HDD will do me - I dont want more tuners and Im not bothered about recording HD particularly. So what do you use the HDD for - if Scart will record off the TV whats the HDMI link for?

Sorry - im a real newbie on this stuff! I just need something to record the odd programme off the in-built freeview/freesat tuners. Upcoming series 3 of the Wire on BBC2 is one that springs to mind! I take it that the TV would have to be actually switched on to record anything off the in-built tuners though?

Sorry for the delay in replying here..

OK ,I have the HDD set up connected via SCART and HDMI. In the link settings I have the AV1/AV2 out set to TV. I can now record any program from Freesat (DVB doesn't work in my area, crap signal) and when I select a program from the guide i get the option to view/record. Selecting record switches on the HDD and records the tv program. It also allows recording of BBC HD but obviously downscales it as all recording is done through the SCART link. I can change the G10 to AV and watch Sky, or any other device connected and this will not affect the recording on the HDD. If I change the channel in TV mode though, it will.

For timed recordings the G10 needs to be on standby as a minimum. When the recording is due, the TV remains in standby and the HDD kicks in and record the program. I can turn on the G10 but only watch a program from an AV source... or play the PS3 etc.

Hope that helps.

[PuntNL]

Originally Posted by tele1962

i still think it will fade away

Looks to get a little better,but not completely gone yet, didn't expect it would be so bad.. Only see it now with bright colorful images... Once it will fade away, I will hit on the break-in images/dvd for another 30 hours or so...

[Jim Di Griz]

Originally Posted by Nixer

Just been to a store and seen the same thing. Very bad judder. Spoke to the guy in the store who told me this has been an issue with Panny's for a while. Its to do with the 60hz processing. The top spec Philips and Sony LCD's alongside the Panny in the store handled judder much better.

Real bummer because i was about to pull the trigger on this set until i seen it live in action!!!!

60hz processing huh?

Was it a blu-ray? If so it would have been at 24p and you wouldnt have seen judder (unless that was present in the film already). The UK and Euro G10's handle motion extremely well (not the US one though).

The guy in the store doesnt know what hes talking about...was this store Currys by any chance?

[Jim Di Griz]

Originally Posted by Fattage

Sorry for the delay in replying here..

OK ,I have the HDD set up connected via SCART and HDMI. In the link settings I have the AV1/AV2 out set to TV. I can now record any program from Freesat (DVB doesn't work in my area, crap signal) and when I select a program from the guide i get the option to view/record. Selecting record switches on the HDD and records the tv program. It also allows recording of BBC HD but obviously downscales it as all recording is done through the SCART link. I can change the G10 to AV and watch Sky, or any other device connected and this will not affect the recording on the HDD. If I change the channel in TV mode though, it will.

For timed recordings the G10 needs to be on standby as a minimum. When the recording is due, the TV remains in standby and the HDD kicks in and record the program. I can turn on the G10 but only watch a program from an AV source... or play the PS3 etc.

Hope that helps.

Thanks Fattage

That makes sense now with the view/record option on programmes. So the TV doesnt have to be actually on to record freesat/freeview - just standby. This is what I wanted to hear! So I just need to get a Panasonic HDD of some sort, even an old one would be OK. Im certainly not going to go for that new Panasonic recordable blu-ray thing because thats way more than I need (and way too expensive!)

[rewerb]

Originally Posted by gary965

How long do you watch the channel which caused the problems and is it a channel that you "need" to watch (for me it is football and the terrible bright coloured logos). You may need to balance watching the channel with the possibility of damaging your tv. I used to watch Sky Sports News for hours along with news channels, however since having a plasma I have been more careful.

I watch hours and hours of SKY sports and BBC 24 News. Never had any IR. There are a few channels with bright/strong contrast logos, but few and far between these days.

[WGLOVER]

I put up a Freesat dish today, and I find the SD picture a bit better than Freeview, but not quite as good as Virgin+.

Looking forward to seeing some ITV HD. Anyone know how to find out when its on?

I received What Hi-Fi and doobery today. It only gave the 50"G10 four stars, while giving the Samsung PS50B650 five stars
Reckons that the detail and edge definition doesn't cut the mustard.

[PuntNL]

Originally Posted by rewerb

I watch hours and hours of SKY sports and BBC 24 News. Never had any IR. There are a few channels with bright/strong contrast logos, but few and far between these days.

That is great for you, bit mine logo is still there after one day... Really fed up about it, because I am paying attention to everything... Really hope it will fade and than I will just ban that stiupid stations with their ridiculous logo's.. Zoom it is...

[kev.]

Originally Posted by Jim Di Griz

60hz processing huh?

Was it a blu-ray? If so it would have been at 24p and you wouldnt have seen judder (unless that was present in the film already). The UK and Euro G10's handle motion extremely well (not the US one though).

Hi JIm

If Im not mistaken G10 models everywhere have a terrible Judder when at 24p

Just google "24p judder g10"and have a look yourself

This is the only thing that is putting me off this TV,and making me go for the V10

Please tell me different........

[tele1962]

Originally Posted by kev.

Hi JIm

If Im not mistaken G10 models everywhere have a terrible Judder when at 24p

Just google "24p judder g10"and have a look yourself

This is the only thing that is putting me off this TV,and making me go for the V10

Please tell me different........

i have had this t.v. for about seven weeks now and i have never seen any judder of any kind on any feed.

[chris.farrant]

Originally Posted by kev.

Hi JIm

If Im not mistaken G10 models everywhere have a terrible Judder when at 24p

Just google "24p judder g10"and have a look yourself

This is the only thing that is putting me off this TV,and making me go for the V10

Please tell me different........

I've had a 50" G10 for a month now and have never seen any judder. I have a PS3 and a BD35, both of which produce astounding pictures on Blu Ray and DVD sources. Some people may be more susceptible to this problem, but I consider myself a discerning buyer who looked at every alternative before I made my final choice.

[Woolybully]

I've had this TV about 3 weeks now and no "judder".I watched Bolt on Blu-Ray last night......perfect. You want to go for the V10, that's fine but the G10 does not judder. Just out of curiosity have you "Googled" judder for any other brand of TV?