*NEW* Panasonic TH-42PF11EK, TH-50PF11EK, TH-58PF11EK, TH-65PF11EK

[Liam @ Prog AV]

Steve - didn't see your post earlier. I think I still go with Panasonic for the filmic look it's just that I can be bothered by it's more reflective glass and the fact it isn't as bright as the Pioneer (which can do bright, and black at the same time). So with projector in the same room I like the Pioneer because it's advantages would serve me more of the time. Obviouly this could all be totally different with the new screen which is boasting some impressive spec and features. I'm interested in that little bit about fixed calibrated white point in dynamic output mode? Sounds like something I would never want to be in a situtation to use, but I'm still intrigued!

[Liam @ Prog AV]

1.

• 1:1 Pixel Mapping
• 480i/p 60hz (in addition to usual 576i/p 50hz & 1080i/p 50hz & 60hz)
• 100hz Double Scan / Intelligent Frame Creation
• 24p Real Cinema / 24p Playback

All of this is confirmed on the spec on Panasonic USA website. 480i and 576i will probably be supported by HDMI but the spec sheet actually says it isn't. 480i only via RGBHV, component and SDI officially.

2. What is the ms response time of the panel?

A bloody lot quicker than LCD LOL! Plasma manufacturers don't tend to quote response time because it's barely an issue.

3. Does it utilise 2 pin or 3 pin mains connection?

Three

4. Does it operate with fans? If so, how bad is fan noise?

Won't know until we see them, and will presumably differ with size and environment and settings (as it always has done and always will do!)

5. How bad is the screen reflection and plasma buzzing?

As above, dunno and may be different by size (buzzing)

6. Does it have an HDMI connection? Or is a seperate board required, and if so how much do they cost?

DVI as standard, which this time around does report to allow 1080p24 so you would only go with the dual-HDMI board if you specifically wanted lots of inputs on the screen (which 90% of users wouldn't as it would be through an AVR or VP or similar). Same inputs as before, PC, Component, DVI all 1080p.

[punkymunky]

Originally Posted by Neophasis

I really hate Pioneers PWM noise, it's really annoying because it's there all the time.

I agree, can't understand why everyone raves about them when picture is a fuzzy mess ALL the time. A couple of years ago they weren't at all interested in black levels but still claimed to have the best picture, rave reviews from What HiFi etc. Now all of a sudden, black is the be all and end all... It makes me wonder if it's just a pile of p...

[PaulWilliam]

Originally Posted by Liam @ Prog AV

DVI as standard, which this time around does report to allow 1080p24 so you would only go with the dual-HDMI board if you specifically wanted lots of inputs on the screen (which 90% of users wouldn't as it would be through an AVR or VP or similar). Same inputs as before, PC, Component, DVI all 1080p.

Excellent, so just hook up a VP to output 1080p at 24, 50 or 60 hz to the DVI connection.

Great that it is 100hz like the latest best Panasonic consumer plasma panels.

This TV I think is the only 42" I can fit into my set up. Other wise I would need to go for a 40" 1080p panel.

Hopefully it does not have fans - I hate them!

Thanks again,

Paul

[choddo2006]

Originally Posted by JulieBell

Hi Owen & welcome to the forums!

Fair enough, I was puzzled & amused by the suggestion that the 42" Plasma panel may use a different gas. The PZ 42 Vieras are certainly ful HD & they use plasma.

Argon or Neon would be quite nice I suppose. But how about a mixture of Chlorine & Fluoride, that would clear up any potential dirty screen problems that some Pioneers suffer from.

"plasma" isn't a type of gas as such.

Just thought I'd say

I really want one of these screens, perfect upgrade from my PHD8.... only thing I'd be wary of is the power consumption, the (admittedly 50") PF10 is a proper guzzler. Looks like 400 peak on the KHC site's PDF which is about 30% more than mine... not too crazy.

[Liam @ Prog AV]

Originally Posted by Liam @ Prog AV

1.

• 1:1 Pixel Mapping
• 480i/p 60hz (in addition to usual 576i/p 50hz & 1080i/p 50hz & 60hz)
• 100hz Double Scan / Intelligent Frame Creation
• 24p Real Cinema / 24p Playback

All of this is confirmed on the spec on Panasonic USA website. 480i and 576i will probably be supported by HDMI but the spec sheet actually says it isn't. 480i only via RGBHV, component and SDI officially.

2. What is the ms response time of the panel?

A bloody lot quicker than LCD LOL! Plasma manufacturers don't tend to quote response time because it's barely an issue.

3. Does it utilise 2 pin or 3 pin mains connection?

Three

4. Does it operate with fans? If so, how bad is fan noise?

Won't know until we see them, and will presumably differ with size and environment and settings (as it always has done and always will do!)

5. How bad is the screen reflection and plasma buzzing?

As above, dunno and may be different by size (buzzing)

6. Does it have an HDMI connection? Or is a seperate board required, and if so how much do they cost?

DVI as standard, which this time around does report to allow 1080p24 so you would only go with the dual-HDMI board if you specifically wanted lots of inputs on the screen (which 90% of users wouldn't as it would be through an AVR or VP or similar). Same inputs as before, PC, Component, DVI all 1080p.

Glossed over the IFC bit without paying attention, not sure if it has that. Not sure that anyone would want it either!! 100Hz from 50Hz sources is something Panasonic Pro panels have done since generation 5 or 6.

[Liam @ Prog AV]

Originally Posted by choddo2006

"plasma" isn't a type of gas as such.

Just thought I'd say

I really want one of these screens, perfect upgrade from my PHD8.... only thing I'd be wary of is the power consumption, the (admittedly 50") PF10 is a proper guzzler. Looks like 400 peak on the KHC site's PDF which is about 30% more than mine... not too crazy.

Yeah like when I nearly bought a Ferrarri but it was a bit of a gas guzzler so I went for a Smart car instead..........

[choddo2006]

You're clearly not an EDF customer!

When the fuel for the Ferrari costs you more than the car itself after 1 quarter, you start to worry

[Liam @ Prog AV]

I know I said we'd get a good price, but I'd be lying if I said I could sell you a 42" 1080p plasma for less than your quarterly electricity bill!!!!!

[usman24]

Are the PF11's a one sheet of glass design? less image ghosting [which can be seen easily on my 50ph9, especially on text/credits]? or some other benefit??

[starre]

a year and a half ago i bought a "state of the art" 42" panny PH9. it was very good but still suffered from clay like faces, purple fringing in grey scale, blacks that were grey and poor conversion from 4:3 to 16:9 (just).

fortunately for me, about 4 months ago burglars broke into my house and stole my PH9. i took the insurance money and added more to buy a Pio 4280. my opinion is that the Pio is simply in another league, an outstanding TV and a big jump in viewer experience from my "old" panny.

Originally Posted by punkymunky

I agree, can't understand why everyone raves about them when picture is a fuzzy mess ALL the time. A couple of years ago they weren't at all interested in black levels but still claimed to have the best picture, rave reviews from What HiFi etc. Now all of a sudden, black is the be all and end all... It makes me wonder if it's just a pile of p...

[usman24]

Originally Posted by starre

a year and a half ago i bought a "state of the art" 42" panny PH9. it was very good but still suffered from clay like faces, purple fringing in grey scale, blacks that were grey and poor conversion from 4:3 to 16:9 (just).

fortunately for me, about 4 months ago burglars broke into my house and stole my PH9. i took the insurance money and added more to buy a Pio 4280. my opinion is that the Pio is simply in another league, an outstanding TV and a big jump in viewer experience from my "old" panny.

something I completely forgot about. I agree that "purple fringing in grey scale" is obvious on the panny plasma's. Any scenes with grey i.e clouds and near dark scenes where gradation is poor, results in purple banding. I would be amazed if panasonic sorted out the greyscale problems as well as colour banding and black fluctuation which I have seen on all my panasonic panels. I have owned 3 in total and all of them showed the above artifacts but generally have good picture quality.

My only problem with pioneer is a noisy grainy image on daylight scenes [PWM noise excess] otherwise they have great colour and blacks.

[Icm76]

Originally Posted by usman24

something I completely forgot about. I agree that "purple fringing in grey scale" is obvious on the panny plasma's. Any scenes with grey i.e clouds and near dark scenes where gradation is poor, results in purple banding. I would be amazed if panasonic sorted out the greyscale problems as well as colour banding and black fluctuation which I have seen on all my panasonic panels. I have owned 3 in total and all of them showed the above artifacts but generally have good picture quality.

Perhaps the studio monitor modes mentioned on the product page posted by Liam will cure some of the Panasonic's flaws?
Panasonic TH-42PF11 (TH42PF11) Plasma - AVToad.co.uk: Online Plasma & Projector Home Cinema, HiFi and Multiroom Sales (advanced functions section at the bottom of the page)

[usman24]

check out the link below:

PANASONIC PREMIERE TH-65VX100-THE NEW KING OF FLAT PANELS-Exclusive First Review » HDGURU.Com

Why wait for the PF11 when the above pro series is close to a release date?

the 50vx100 pro is expected in Jan/Feb 2009 [most likely 2010 LOL!!]with black levels [extreme contrast] that almost match 9g pio's and very high shades of gradation.

worth a mention I think!

[bumtious]

I cant agree with a lot of the things mentioned here.

We have a 50PF10 here next to a 5090 next to a KRP500 next to a 508XD next to a PZ81, all ISF'd (PZ81 best that it can be).

Like Liam we have not sold A SINGLE PF10 into a domestic installation, you just need to see it next to the 5090.

As for PWM noise sure the Pio does it more in the light areas but NOT nearly as much the 1080 sets and the KRP's are really clean.

The Panny is far from clear from PWM noise, that suffers from it in the dark areas!!!!!

The Panny still suffers from all the usual stuff like as mantioned prurple rendition where it should be grey, poor green phosper lag and as again posted has a waxy presentation due to over surpression of noise which does break through.

The worse thing is the screen refectivity, basically any light weather daylight or artificial just washes out any contrast and mullers the colour, something that does not happen with the Pio's.

As posted earlier in the thread I think you will find the blacks close to last years Pios but still not as good, and nowhere near the 9gs especially the KRP's.

I think the 42" sets will sell and maybe, just maybe the 65" cuz there is nothing else but at 50" and 60" I think sales into the domestic market will be as poor as they have been cuz the Pios simply produce a better overall viewing experience.

All the above is not my opinion it exactly how it been, you can see it yourself here exactly as expalined and judge for yourself.

We will have the new sets as soon as the distributers that everyone else uses for panny has them.

We will have a 42PF11 to replace the 50PF10 as soon as it available in our showroom so again you can make the choice yourself.

The PF10 will be available as an ex display unit at a bargin price shortly. Just watch the bargin section on our web site.