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Old 17-01-2005, 7:47 PM   #1 (permalink)
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If you have a "Tiny" plasma then please read

I have been reading with much interest the posts in relation to the problems people are apparently having with plasma televisions purchased from Tiny.Com

My own story is typical of many here. It starts with Tiny failing to deliver the wall mounting bracket, continues with numerous lengthy, but fruitless, telephone calls to “customer services”, progresses to Tiny then failing to deliver the bracket on second and third occasions and culminates with a plasma that suffers from very poor picture quality. My plasma suffers from the horizontal banding and awful colour artefacts together with an intermittent and complete loss of the display whenever using the component input (whatever the input source).

I took a careful look at my plasma and written on the back is a model number (PS42-D8). A quick search on the internet brings up a number of references to such a model. You may want to take a look at:

http://www.powerchinese.com.hk/plasmae.htm

and

http://www.mac-europe.co.uk/Products...?type=PDP%20TV

Does the look and specification seem familiar to you? The interesting thing is that the model delivered to me would appear to be a model with a contrast ratio and brightness that are different than those advertised, an advertisement that was a clear representation and one that induced the contract. In particular, the contrast is 1000:1 and not 3000:1 and the brightness is 640 and not 1000,

It would seem that the model that has the identical specification to the one advertised by Tiny is the model 42PHD (also shown on the site I refer to above). Obviously, this raises the question of if (and I do not know this as a fact) my plasma is simply a model made by “Powerchinese” and/or Harwa(whoever they are) then why do Tiny advertise the product as having been designed, made and assembled in the UK by them?

I am a lawyer and accordingly I wrote to Tiny asking that they explain this and other issues. I specifically asked that they identify the provenance of my plasma. As of 17 January 2005 I have had no response to that letter and so tomorrow I will write again giving them 10 working days to respond. If they do not:

1. Satisfy me that the plasma I have was assembled in the UK and has the specification of the one advertised; and
2. Provide a plasma that is fit for the intended purpose; and
3. Provide a plasma that is of reasonable and satisfactory quality; and
4. Settle my claim for damages for the 2 days I took off work awaiting the delivery of a bracket

Then proceedings will most certainly be issued. I will then be seeking damages and rescission of the contract.

I must make it clear that it may be that Tiny have a legitimate answer to the question of the provenance of the plasma and that, in fact, there is no misrepresentation in that regard at all but to date no such explanation has been forthcoming. If it transpires that this plasma is simply a re-badge of the plasma identified on the web sites above (or as may be the case it was imported in kit form and put together by Tiny) then it may well be that others find this as unacceptable as I do. Whilst I do not wish to conduct numerous small claims against Tiny (and the matter of exactly which company we have contracted with is another matter of concern to me) then I will help others by making a copy of my pleadings and certain other court documents available, I expect these can then be edited for use by others.

Clearly, my case (if indeed this is a re-badge) may be an isolated instance but I would be interested to know just how many others have the model that I appear to have. If you do have the same model then please can you post that fact here and let me know when you ordered the plasma concerned.

NOTE: Since first writing this post my own plasma has failed. It went through a period of randomly losing all input signal, a period of switching itself off when turned on, a period of an intermittent loss of sound and finally it died completely. As of 24 January 2005 I have received no response at from Tiny.

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Old 17-01-2005, 7:52 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Hello, I suffer the same issue and my model number is identical to yours- PS42-D8
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Old 17-01-2005, 7:53 PM   #3 (permalink)
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same model number on mine and same problems experienced though they have undertaken to swap the panel. Was ordered beginning Nov 2004 and delivered 8th Dec 2004.
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Old 17-01-2005, 7:58 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Ordered november delivered december 21st, Another issuewas with my my teletext. It has strange blue horizontal lines over the screen flickering for a while everytime the tv is turned on. Anyone else had this problem? I was offered no refund or replacement.
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Old 17-01-2005, 8:23 PM   #5 (permalink)
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looking at their web site they seem to have different models on offer now....i'm not sure that was the case when i ordered
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Old 17-01-2005, 8:53 PM   #6 (permalink)
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1. Satisfy me that the plasma I have was assembled in the UK and has the specification of the one advertised; and
2. Provide a plasma that is fit for the intended purpose; and
3. Provide a plasma that is of reasonable and satisfactory quality; and
4. Settle my claim for damages for the 2 days I took off work awaiting the delivery of a bracket

My problem is that did you look at the screen beforehand?

1) It was probably NOT *FULLY* ASSEMBLED in the UK BUT if they do something 'else' to it by law they can say 'assembled' in the UK.

Most products in England are made somewhere else. No biggie imo but you can 'use' it to get a refund.

2) The plasma tv shows a tv image.

The quality is NOT GOING TO BE UP TO par like Panny 6 or 7 series etc or a more pricey screen.

3) This is up to interpretation and the price is a lot less then some others that are 'fully' featured 'tv' plasma screens. Remember you got all the other stuff too and not just a Panny 6series which is a plasma 'monitor'.

4) This you have a claim to be but I've not heard of many people claiming back for wasted time. But GOOD LUCK and I hope you get it. They shafted you over.

Good luck with it.

But in the future look at the products before buying it. When the deal came out I knew it would not be up to par and avoided it like the plague. Got to pay a bit more to get a better image then the Panny.

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Old 17-01-2005, 9:24 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I suspect sticking a TINY label on the front may
count as assembled in the uk
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Old 17-01-2005, 9:26 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Koing, from your comments you are clearly not a lawyer and I am afraid that you apparently do not know what the legal test is and, most clearly, do not understand what damages can and cannot be recovered in an action for breach of contract and/or an action under the Misrepresentation Act 1967. That is fine with me.

I am not here to confront you. I am here to explain what I have found out and to offer some help to people who, unlike me, do not spend their working lives in court, people who perhaps will make the mistake of believing the various nonsensical versions of what their legal rights are that float around these messages boards. If you are not one of them then fine, you do your thing and we will do ours. We need say no more to each other.
 
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pjclark1,

LOL, yes they may argue that. Indeed I hope they do...there is settled law on the issue and putting a badge on the front would not satisfy the court.
 
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Pfft

Regardless of the quality ONE WOULD EXPECT THE THING TO DO IT'S STATED JOB, whatever inputs are on the TV they should work when connected, end of.
It's obviously a pile of turd TV and I wish Lawyer237 and anyone else the best of luck.
Tiny deserves a slapping over this farce and I hope they get one.

Andy.

P.S. Maybe a ring to watchdog would get Tiny's attention.

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Old 17-01-2005, 10:08 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I know that one guy has contacted watchdog already and if he references this forum they shoud find it interesting...
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My Tiny model is PS-42D8 as well ,when i ordered the plasma the advertisement stated contrast 1000-1, but they soon upgraded it to 3000-1 in the press.
Mine has the horizontal shearing problem which i mentioned in the other thread
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Old 17-01-2005, 11:28 PM   #13 (permalink)
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...ditto...

...mine was ordered in October and delivered in December - Model PS42D8.

Same problems solarisation (colour seperation) and horizontal sync picture breakup (random splits in picture).

What next? Did anyone get any comment from TINY?
 
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Sorry to sound Dumb, but when I walked into our local Computer Store, or whatever the franchise name is that sells Tiny crap, the big plasma that they had on display (I assume its the same one) had a really crap picture on it.

But it was only £1000 roughly, so I would assume that people who aren't bothered about picture quality are its target market. I don't see how they can have misled you if you saw the picture quality, as it was truly poor.

I have spent many hours looking at plasma's and most of them are poor, the only decent ones I have seen (and I don't claim to be any expert) are Pioneer and Panasonic. And even they only look good with a decent DVD source or Hidef video depending on native resolution. These setups cost a lot more than a thousand pounds, more like a couple of thousand. As with most things in life you gets what you pay for.

If you can get your money back then that will be great as you can save up for a decent display, but please always look before you buy.

Cheers

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Old 18-01-2005, 12:26 AM   #15 (permalink)
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I suspect sticking a TINY label on the front may
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Well they have built a new factory in the UK to assemble plasma's.

I hope that manufacturing in this country hasn't been reduced to sticking stickers just yet.

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