[cdldt]

What is it with the mentality of today's youth? (gee, I'm talking as if I'm old, but I only left school 8 years ago!)

What is so amusing about walking down the street kicking over everyone's bin, throwing things at conservatories or taking out people's fence panels? This seems to be a weekly occurance these days. Every Friday & Saturday night, we can expect to have some kind of trouble with drunken yobs who have nothing better to do with their time than vandalise things. They can be from the neighbouring council estate, or they can be from a posh 5 bedroomed detached house belonging to mummy and daddy along with their Xbox 360s and PS3s. If you are unfortunate enough to live in an "under-priviledged" area, you'll get almost round-the-clock police patrols, whilst the scum-dwelling parasite kids get drifted out to the un-policed areas. Or how about ignorant scrawlings of graffiti artists - live in an "under-priviledged" area and it'll be cleaned off within days. Live somewhere nicer and you'll have to look at it all over the NTL boxes and bus stops for YEARS.

In my opinion forced castration is the only option - no more of this ASBO nonsense (such as the silly chav we had working for us last year who kept a photo of his ASBO mate in his wallet, rather than a girlfriend or wife like us normal people). That prevents most of the inbred dimwits from breeding further, and the remainder will eventually kill themselves in amusing ways.

[Pezerinno]

This really grinds my gears too. Why can't they do something productive with their time? Or play a sport? I can't stand vandalism. If this sounds like I'm an old fart I'm only 22.

[danmc_82]

They dont have any morals so wish to stay in the crappiest part of town for the rest of there life living on handouts.

[eric pisch]

The main factor that's created this gang culture is the liberal namby pamby governments attitude to crime. These children of Blair have grown up knowing that no matter what they do there is no consequence for there actions.

Parents can be jailed for smacking there kids, schools have no way to control them apart form excluding them (which the school looses money if it does) the parents can appeal the exclusion at the LEA who mostly over rule the school and in any even the kid doesn't want to be at school so exclusion is hardly a punishment. The police are powerless, if they do nick them for the x00th offence the courts treat them with a bleeding hart normally the worst they get is some namby liberal telling them its wrong to be naughty or in ultra extreme rare cases an asbo! which is worn like a medal of honour by them anyway.

Blairs kids have grown up knowing they can do what ever they like with no chance what so ever of anything happening to them.

[jaketheb]

anyone whom litters should be shot in the chest cavity at point blank range with a shotgun that has a sawn-off barrel. I was coming back from work at 10am (I work nights) and a woman of around sixty left a bag of bread rolls on the bench next to me and didn't have the slightest remorse about it. After seeing this I looked town at the disgusting bubble-gum splatted/fag but ridden floor below me and realise how much the most part of the people of Britain's attitudes towards littering is... .... they don't give a flying frig

I completely agree with the comments on castration, I'm only seventeen but the state of the country when it comes to youths on streets never ceases to amaze me.

I live in a small village and at the moment chav kids are not a big worry or nu sense , what with the robberies that are happening at the moment, but as soon as you step into Wrexham or Oswestry it's just full of kids 9 to 25 (lol) that should be in school or work or doing something positive but are just throwing stuff or listening to terrible music though there stolen phones, I have no objection to the drug weed, but when you see these lads and lasses you know that for the rest of there lives they're going to be buying white lightning cider and crap 1/8ths of pollen with dole money for the rest of there pointless existence!!


With love. xxx

[metalhead72]

I really do believe it when I say bring back national service !!, I joined the army at 18 and it really sorted me out !!

[overkill]

Oh brother. Here we go again.................. 'it's the namby pamby liberal govts fault'. People who litter should be shot. Right...................

Fact: - we lived in Aldershot (the outskirts) under the 'namby pamby' 'Liberal' (I laugh as I write) Conservatives. Vandalism was rife (every fence, every garage had damage done to it), all the houses down the street bar ours and our neighbours (we both had large dogs) were broken into on a few occasions. The local shopping centre was a no go zone at night, while if you dared to face one of the gangs of kids off, then you expected 'mouth' at best, stuff thrown at you if you took it too far. The local council (all Tory) did nothing, there was never a policeman in sight. Sound familiar?

I lived in Guildford under the same 'wishy washy' govt. If you went on to the estate at night, or even the evening, you were taking you life in your hands. All of the pubs were no go areas on the estate, as were several pubs in Guildford itself.

I cite these as this was in the 'good old 80's and 90's, in an area of Britain that is not famous for 'yoof crime'.

Yet you didn't have to go far to find it.

Nothing has changed, just peoples blood pressure has been raised to indignation point by the Daily Whine and co.

[krish]

Originally Posted by eric pisch

The main factor that's created this gang culture is the liberal namby pamby governments attitude to crime. These children of Blair have grown up knowing that no matter what they do there is no consequence for there actions.

... if you insist on making it political then these children's PARENTS are to blame, and they were Thatcher's children growing up with a me me me loadsamoney no such thing as society ethos

why can't people take responsibility for their own actions rather than always blaming politicians?
... and in the case of this Dave-loving forum people will blame Blair/Brown for the skidmarks in their toilets

[buzlightyear]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=N9_YhKbrhnY

Simple go chav hunting

[Hitby]

I was outside my office having a tab (yes it went in the bin) and a chavski mother let her son (about 4 or 5) **** against the university map over from where I was stood. I couldn't believe it, this is on the edge of a busy inner city university campus!

[danmc_82]

Its as simple as... If the parents dont disciplin there kids, the kids will run riot. I'll bring my children up the same as my parents did. FIRM

[Miyazaki]

From the viewpoint of a teacher, some of the parenting I witness the effects of are horrendous.

After the holidays it is almost impossible to get some of the kids to write anything. They often say they haven't even picked up a pen in 2 weeks.

What constructive activities do these parents do with their children? Or is it just let them do as they please.

[rd9124]

Originally Posted by Hitby

I was outside my office having a tab (yes it went in the bin) and a chavski mother let her son (about 4 or 5) **** against the university map over from where I was stood. I couldn't believe it, this is on the edge of a busy inner city university campus!

Are you sure you weren't being filmed for Balls of Steel?

[Greybeard]

Originally Posted by eric pisch

The main factor that's created this gang culture is the liberal namby pamby governments attitude to crime. These children of Blair have grown up knowing that no matter what they do there is no consequence for there actions.

Parents can be jailed for smacking there kids, schools have no way to control them apart form excluding them (which the school looses money if it does) the parents can appeal the exclusion at the LEA who mostly over rule the school and in any even the kid doesn't want to be at school so exclusion is hardly a punishment. The police are powerless, if they do nick them for the x00th offence the courts treat them with a bleeding hart normally the worst they get is some namby liberal telling them its wrong to be naughty or in ultra extreme rare cases an asbo! which is worn like a medal of honour by them anyway.

Blairs kids have grown up knowing they can do what ever they like with no chance what so ever of anything happening to them.

Sorry but this went on when Thatcher was in control.
It is not just "Blairs" kids as you put it.
They are part of our society therefore they must be our kids, rather than blame successive government heads although I agree some should be tried for crimes against the British people, society is ours and ours alone.

[eric pisch]

Originally Posted by Greybeard

Sorry but this went on when Thatcher was in control.
It is not just "Blairs" kids as you put it.
They are part of our society therefore they must be our kids, rather than blame successive government heads although I agree some should be tried for crimes against the British people, society is ours and ours alone.

surprised if the Thatcher allowed this, i know my mate got a hiding from the police for being lippy back at this time, didn't she have a shoot to kill policy on the IRA sending out SAS hit squads to knock them off?

[sdb123]

Originally Posted by danmc_82

Its as simple as... If the parents dont disciplin there kids, the kids will run riot. I'll bring my children up the same as my parents did. FIRM

Spot on.

It all starts at home. Respect, love, understanding, establishing boundaries and where required, discipline is what is needed.

Unfortunately too many parents don't care and are quick to blame anyone and everyone else at the earliest opportunity. They are role models for their kids, so it is no surprise to me that society is going dowhill fast.

[Greybeard]

Originally Posted by eric pisch

surprised if the Thatcher allowed this, i know my mate got a hiding from the police for being lippy back at this time, didn't she have a shoot to kill policy on the IRA sending out SAS hit squads to knock them off?

She did along with the miners and I don't really want to start on her.
It was the era of punk not that I have anything against that but at the time there was outrage at how the youth were behaving just like today.
All well documented but conveniently forgotten.

[wormvortex]

sounds like the area you live in. There is no problem at all with vanderlism/chavs etc.... where I live. I think I've only heard one or two groups of drunks walk past my house in the early hours of the morning all year and even then they weren't doing anything wrong. Just talking and walking.

[overkill]

Originally Posted by eric pisch

surprised if the Thatcher allowed this, i know my mate got a hiding from the police for being lippy back at this time, didn't she have a shoot to kill policy on the IRA sending out SAS hit squads to knock them off?

Well, she did. See above post.

Isn't amazing how people forget just what did go on? Or is it just 'selective' memories? For example, in what year (even with 'seasonal adjustment') did Britain see it's highest ever recorded crime figures? I'll give you a clue, it was after 1990 and it wasn't after 1995.

But that can't be! Surely not! The Tories are 'tough on crime'!

At least so DC is bull ******** us.

[krish]

Originally Posted by overkill

Isn't amazing how people forget just what did go on? Or is it just 'selective' memories?

Since this place is teeming with card-carrying Tories and BNP supporters, possibly with kids who behave just like the ones they're complaining about (though its all of course the govt's fault ) what do you expect?

[overkill]

Originally Posted by krish

Since this place is teeming with card-carrying Tories and BNP supporters, possibly with kids who behave just like the ones they're complaining about (though its all of course the govt's fault ) what do you expect?

Sorry, forgot.

[avinitski]

i blame Manic Miner, those bloody computer games.

[eric pisch]

Originally Posted by overkill

Well, she did. See above post.

Isn't amazing how people forget just what did go on? Or is it just 'selective' memories? For example, in what year (even with 'seasonal adjustment') did Britain see it's highest ever recorded crime figures? I'll give you a clue, it was after 1990 and it wasn't after 1995.

But that can't be! Surely not! The Tories are 'tough on crime'!

At least so DC is bull ******** us.

Don't forget thou, its how crime is reported that's important, over recent years many types of crimes have been reclassified as other things to ensure the figures drop.

There was a report last week (discussed on LBC) saying that under new guidelines for the police that have just come into force if an officer does not witness a minor crime it gets reported as a misadventure since the officer cant be sure what happened. The example given was that you wake up to find a chav has put a window in on your car with a brick, the officer has not seen it so cant assume it was deliberate as it could of been an accident, so no crime recorded.

In exactly the same way we now have record low unemployment, they have simply moved everyone over to permanent sick or other such schemes, rename the unemployment benefit and say look theres 376 people unemployed whilst ignoring the 5.6 million claiming renamed benefits.

[Jenn]

Originally Posted by overkill

For example, in what year (even with 'seasonal adjustment') did Britain see it's highest ever recorded crime figures? I'll give you a clue, it was after 1990 and it wasn't after 1995.

You can't rely on official crime figures (a bit like unemployment) because governments (not one or another, all off them will do) change the rules of what is counted for the statistics and what's not.

I can't comment on how it was before as I wasn't living in the UK or Europe in my early years but here's what I think:
- people tend to notice more when something is wrong as they get older - e.g. at 12 years old you wouldn't see what's wrong with kicking a football against a wall in a street with cars parked while adults around would say "kicking a ball at my house wall you annoying little kids, where are your parents", "watch my car, if the ball hits it I'm going to be mad", "can't they play in front of their house", "out at this time, what are the parents doing", "they're going to get ran over if they keep running about on the street".
- TV reports a lot more of the stabbing, shooting, attacks etc. making people feel like it happens a lot more than ever before as "you never heard of that before" while I'm sure skinheads, punks etc. were at it in their time.

But I also think kids or teenagers know they can get away with more nowadays.
In my dad's youth days you knew that if you got caught by a teacher/neighbour/police doing something like throwing stones at windows, you'd get a good kicking before being taken to your dad you'd give you another one. Many parents wouldn't put up with their children bringing shame on the family. This was probably helped by the fact that everyone knew everyone else on a street/village and you didn't want your neighbours to think bad of your family.
Although I'm sure there were the nasty families with feral kids back then too.

[nheather]

I had a rather eye-opening and disappointing experience on Saturday night. I was leaving the Radio 1 concert in Maidstone and I passed a group of young people in late teens\early twenties.

Two lads were fighting and one managed to kick the other in the head (some sort of martial arts move). The other dropped to the ground unconcious with blood coming from his mouth. The girls with them got vey upset and the other lads tried to drag the unconcious guy to his feet.

I foolishly advised that they shouldn't try and move him and that an ambulance should be called. At which point the chav that had done the kicking started calling me all the names under the sun and threatened to knock me out aswell.

I left the scene but just round the corner came across a group of police who were there to control the crowds leaving the concert.

I brought them round to the scene of the fight and explained what had happened. The lad that had done the kicking starting threatening me again.

At this point the police asked me to move on. They weren't interested that I was a witness, didn't want a statement, didn't appear to care that I had been threatened in front of them.

I assume they sorted out an ambulance but they oviously weren't going to do anything about the assault. Either they couldn't be bothered with the paperwork or knew that it was a waste of time becuase nothing ever comes of these sort of charges.

The lads were not drunk or high, just very nasty examples of society.

Cheers,

Nigel

[Kwman]

Originally Posted by krish

Since this place is teeming with card-carrying Tories and BNP supporters, possibly with kids who behave just like the ones they're complaining about (though its all of course the govt's fault ) what do you expect?

Always the same poster making incorrect generalisations and thinks he's funny comments.

[Kwman]

That boy that got murdered in the bakery is about 10 mins walk from where I live. Quite shocking

[Naqv]

Crime has fallen, it's just reported more in the media, with exceptional cases being picked out.

[Zeromajor]

back on topic, it really does seem like these chavs/neds/hoodies have no incentive to stop behaving the way they do.

Only the other night I was walking with my partner back from work when a couple of them walked past and hurled the most random abuse, completely unprovoked and frankly embarassing!

I wasn't an angel as a kid but I don't remember ever spitting venemous remarks at people down the high street.

Do these people (it's not just kids, you see them into their late twenties!) have some sort of brain disorder? Can we get them sectioned?

[overkill]

Originally Posted by eric pisch

Don't forget thou, its how crime is reported that's important, over recent years many types of crimes have been reclassified as other things to ensure the figures drop.

There was a report last week (discussed on LBC) saying that under new guidelines for the police that have just come into force if an officer does not witness a minor crime it gets reported as a misadventure since the officer cant be sure what happened. The example given was that you wake up to find a chav has put a window in on your car with a brick, the officer has not seen it so cant assume it was deliberate as it could of been an accident, so no crime recorded.

In exactly the same way we now have record low unemployment, they have simply moved everyone over to permanent sick or other such schemes, rename the unemployment benefit and say look theres 376 people unemployed whilst ignoring the 5.6 million claiming renamed benefits.

@jenn as well, yes figures are adjusted to suit govt. However, to suggest that both this and the last govt were working hand in hand to reduce crime figures during the hand over period is stretching credibility to the maximum. At the same time, recorded crime back in 1992, is based on exactly the same criteria. If it wasn't reported or wasn't witnessed it didn't count. Yet the figures then showed record levels of crime.

No matter how you slice it to show up the current govt in a worse light, it's not the case.

This is another myth. If someone is claiming sickness benefit they have to prove that is the case. Under the new rules, stringently so. If they are unemployed, they are unemployed. End of. Yes Benefits have been moved around, they were in 1988, 1992 and 1995. That did not however, ever alter the actual unemployment figures. There are not 5.6 million people claiming health related benefits it is in fact around 2.7 million and they are now expected to go for regular health checks - no longer from their own GP. If there were that many claiming the cost would rise to around 24 billion, and to do that the govt would have to raise a lot more cash than the 10p tax rate.

For a govt determined to move people other benefits that doesn't sound right somehow...........................

Under the last govt, we saw huge swaths simply removed from the statistics. That is figure fiddling.