[Ayub]

I cannot believe my eyes. Is this really true is our Island that bad.
Bloody hell we need to crack some heads!

The police have an operation called called " reclaim the streets" for gods sake reclaim the streets! bloody Nora

Grab one off the street kick the living day lights of out the little scrote and set a bloody example.

No messing no talking simple head cracking.

I am shocked, they locked up people in Bradford for throwing a stone for 4 years to " set an example" what's happening up north ?

I honestly think this country/ United kingdom is going tits up

[paul1967]

We have new polish shop open locally and will not serve english people,and nothing being done.

[steptoe]

you may get away with it in poland but not in this country its racist and there are so many ethnic english/british communities you are bound to upset one of them.so whats it going to be then colour,religion or accent i think weve got em all covered

[dunks517]

Originally Posted by paul1967

We have new polish shop open locally and will not serve english people,and nothing being done.

Can't you just buy Mr Sheen from Tescos?

[johntheexpat]

Originally Posted by dunks517

Can't you just buy Mr Sheen from Tescos?

[gulliver dark]

Originally Posted by Ayub

I cannot believe my eyes. Is this really true is our Island that bad.
Bloody hell we need to crack some heads!

The police have an operation called called " reclaim the streets" for gods sake reclaim the streets! bloody Nora

Grab one off the street kick the living day lights of out the little scrote and set a bloody example.

No messing no talking simple head cracking.

I am shocked, they locked up people in Bradford for throwing a stone for 4 years to " set an example" what's happening up north ?

I honestly think this country/ United kingdom is going tits up

Good to see The Guardian winning hearts and minds

Originally Posted by dunks517

Can't you just buy Mr Sheen from Tescos?

[Setenza]

Well I watched this and then "City Of Vice" afterwards.

Depressing as it is seems, every generation thinks society is going to hell in a hand basket.

Drunkeness, violence and socio-economic disorder have always been with us.

The root causes are poverty, education, disintegration of the family unit, lack of prospects and ghetto culture. The continuing cycle spawns crimes of these nature and a sub class including "feral" kids.

Thing is (like rioting) it only effects the neighbourhood of the specific group.

Until this problem touches directly on the lives of those who are in power, the weighty issues that cause these problems will NOT be addressed.

[gulliver dark]

Originally Posted by Xusia Of Delos

Until this problem touches directly on the lives of those who are in power, the weighty issues that cause these problems will NOT be addressed.

Yes although the Home Secretary did admit the other day that she's frightened to walk the streets after dark!

[Setenza]

Originally Posted by gulliver dark

Yes although the Home Secretary did admit the other day that she's frightened to walk the streets after dark!

That doesn't count. The Home Secretary could walk through the most passive of Boroughs and still get a slap, mainly due to her Governments track record on, well basically, everything!

[gulliver dark]

I'm just imagining those flailing walking sticks on Eastbourne seafront

I should admit that I didn't see the programme, I blundered in here because I didn't understand the thread title, so having not seen it, probably not really in a postion to comment further.

[mjn]

Originally Posted by paul1967

We have new polish shop open locally and will not serve english people,and nothing being done.

What are you complaining about? From your grasp of the English language, it is obvious that you're Polish.

[Nimby]

Originally Posted by mjn

What are you complaining about? From your grasp of the English language, it is obvious that you're Polish.

Steady, lad.

[HMHB]

I don't think the problem is poverty, these kids have got far more than people my age in my area used to have when we were younger. I believe the problem is that they haven't been brought up properly as their parents are scumbags and so the next generation are bigger scumbags.
The other problem (and the main one in my view) is that the kids believe they are untouchable with laws seemingly being on their side all the time. It's time to realise that you can't apply the same law for kids across the whole of the EU as the kids in every country are different and react differently. Bring back proper punishment I say - I know this will upset a lot of people who say "you can't hit kids" but they have to be taught that they can't get away with everything and they must learn respect. This pathetic soft approach has not worked, time for a change.

[Nimby]

Poor behaviour by youth tends to go in cycles and is just as dependent on adult attitudes. We've had the Teddy boys, the Hippies, the Mods and Rockers, the Punks, the Football "Fans" and now the Chavs and Hoodies. Did I miss anybody out? Tribal youth is no different today than it ever was. It's always about an extreme minority's inability to communicate with their fellow young men. There is no organised outlet for their aggression which appeals to their testosterone-fuelled idiocy.

What is probably affecting our opinions more right now is the heavy reporting of any and every incident. The media is just as prone to the me-too syndrome as the "scumbags". It would seem that punishment isn't working very well judging from the escalating prison population.

Make anger management and conflict resolution a compulsory subject from infant school onwards. Make literacy compulsory in schools too!

[HMHB]

But the problem is that they aren't being punished until it's too late. They are getting away with anything they want to do up until the age of 16 and so believe they are immune to everything. In my days at school the people who didn't get proper parental care and discipline at home got it at school so they did get some kind of teaching about right and wrong and respect.

[la gran siete]

Originally Posted by Nimby

, the Hippies, !

They never did anyone any harm

[Setenza]

Originally Posted by la gran siete

They never did anyone any harm

No harm

They polluted a generation with their mind rot and then as the grew elder, sold out on their principles to become are new corporate oppressors.

They are directly responsible for progressive rock and the worst fashion ever.

They are a blight on our history.

Burn them all

[sinizterguy]

Originally Posted by Xusia Of Delos

Burn them all

Just burn them all. Not just the hippies.

While crime rates are holding steady or dropping slightly, the general feeling is that it is getting worse. Mainly because the media report damn near every incident from someone getting yelled at to someone getting kicked to death on the street. The latter rightly deserves to reported, the former does not.

Nothing is going to be done about it.

There are so many different parts which are going to **** over here that I was seriously considering moving to somewhere else. Only thing that prevents me if the fact that I do realise that the grass is always greener on the other side and I would just be exchanging one set of problems for another. So I am just going hold off the move until something really sends me over the edge.

I think this country must have some of the world's dumbest politicians (or are they smartest because they do so much crap and yet stay in power).

[Sonic67]

Rather than move to a different country why not move to a different area? If you don't like London why not try Lincolnshire?

[sinizterguy]

Originally Posted by Sonic67

Rather than move to a different country why not move to a different area? If you don't like London why not try Lincolnshire?

Thats happening in the next few months. Not to Lincolnshire, but moving out of London.

The 152 or so taxes that the British government wants is something that will follow me wherever I move to in this country. Just got to pay as little as possible and get on with it.

[DJT75]

Originally Posted by Nimby

Poor behaviour by youth tends to go in cycles and is just as dependent on adult attitudes. We've had the Teddy boys, the Hippies, the Mods and Rockers, the Punks, the Football "Fans" and now the Chavs and Hoodies. Did I miss anybody out?

Yeah, you missed out 'The Casuals' of the late 80s/early 90s. (Soul II Soul era). If you weren't a Casual, you were considered a Goth - for no apparent reason...

[Ayub]

Originally Posted by Xusia Of Delos

Well I watched this and then "City Of Vice" afterwards.

Depressing as it is seems, every generation thinks society is going to hell in a hand basket.

Drunkeness, violence and socio-economic disorder have always been with us.

The root causes are poverty, education, disintegration of the family unit, lack of prospects and ghetto culture. The continuing cycle spawns crimes of these nature and a sub class including "feral" kids.

Thing is (like rioting) it only effects the neighbourhood of the specific group.

Until this problem touches directly on the lives of those who are in power, the weighty issues that cause these problems will NOT be addressed.

My father used to work all the hours god sent on the busses.
We were very very poor

I never wanted to kick someones head in because i was bored. If i every did do anything PC David Smith of Great horton ( god bless the man) would clip me so bloody hard i would wake up the following week.
That did not prompt me to rebel.

[Vince Noir]

Originally Posted by Xusia Of Delos

No harm

They polluted a generation with their mind rot and then as the grew elder, sold out on their principles to become are new corporate oppressors.

They are directly responsible for progressive rock and the worst fashion ever.

They are a blight on our history.

Burn them all

Post of the day !

[Setenza]

Originally Posted by Ayub

My father used to work all the hours god sent on the busses.
We were very very poor

I never wanted to kick someones head in because i was bored. If i every did do anything PC David Smith of Great horton ( god bless the man) would clip me so bloody hard i would wake up the following week.
That did not prompt me to rebel.

Exactly. It was fear or repercussion and respect for authority, that helped keep folk on the straight and narrow.

This is absent now. Couple this with the factors that I have previously stated and it's a recipe for disaster.

[Nimby]

I was subjected to waterboarding in the bath by the village constibule at a tender age but refused to grass on my fellow junior school perps in the Great Dilapidated Pigsty Fire Event of The Century.

I've been rebelling ever since.

[sinizterguy]

Originally Posted by Xusia Of Delos

Exactly. It was fear or repercussion and respect for authority, that helped keep folk on the straight and narrow.

This is absent now. Couple this with the factors that I have previously stated and it's a recipe for disaster.

Most people do not respect the law. They fear the law and the consequences. For example, damn near everyone speeds. Its illegal, but that doesnt bother most people.

As you have said, if that fear is suitably reduced or completely absent ....

[Ayub]

Originally Posted by sinizterguy

Most people do not respect the law. They fear the law and the consequences. For example, damn near everyone speeds. Its illegal, but that doesnt bother most people.

As you have said, if that fear is suitably reduced or completely absent ....

Speeding, parking on yellow lines and paying your community tax late is a little different.
We are with respect talking about breaking smashing a brick over your neighbours head throwing bricks through peoples windows etc

[technoman28]

JohnG has this exactly right. The scum of our day has bred even more of the scum of today, who will breed even more etc.

Most of todays problems were there before, but there are now more people causing them, which makes them more noticible. I worked in a school and found that during 15 years the attitude of the kids went from having to respect your teachers, to showing them disrespect. I have seen kids stand up to a well built sports teacher, and deliberately try to get the teacher to resort to physical violence. The kids words were "I can say whatever I like to you, and do whatever I like to you and you can't do a ****ing thing to stop me". The scary thing about this is that you know that if that kid brings another child into the world, they will grow up with the same values as his Father, if not worse.

I can seriously see a "class" war happening in the not to distant future, your average person is becoming sick of the crime and violence that occurs on a daily basis, starts to think that vigilantism is a good idea, and before you know it you have a goodies versus baddies war on your hand.

The most annoying thing is that although we can see the problem, we cannot seem to find the answer, (apart from ones that are painful to the scum, but brings us down to their level).

[sinizterguy]

Originally Posted by Ayub

Speeding, parking on yellow lines and paying your community tax late is a little different.
We are with respect talking about breaking smashing a brick over your neighbours head throwing bricks through peoples windows etc

Not particularly. If someone really wanted to smash a brick through the neighbours window, for whatever reason, the only thing stopping them is the fear of the consequences. If they thought that there would be no consequences or repercussions, they would smash that brick through the neighbours window.

Yes they are different types of crimes, but my point still applies.