[jaguar]

Maybe the odds are changing...

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On the CES in mow Vegas Pioneer have given a demonstration of new plasma-tv, which delivers a quality product better according to the manufacturer than both lcd - and sed-schermen. ' plasma 2.0 ' over some months on the market is able appear. Pioneer say that it has built the plasma television in last year from the ground to again. A new panel with a new picture filter was developed, and also the elektronica whole was renewed. The result is a baffle that many better kleurechtheid and a black deeper has than existing flat TVs, whereas the contrast proportion would be according to Pioneer ' onmeetbaar large '. Although concrete details still no concerning new technology have been published, visitors of demonstration were which gave the company, considerably under the impression: picture quality would be certainly even well as those of sed-demonstraties. Pioneer think the competition with sed and lcd with new technique more easily manage go. Initially the introduction of the renewed plasma baffles would have had take place flat for the Olympic game in Beijing, but ' openings ' in the development ensured that ' onverslaanbare ' new fence now already this way good as an market white frost is. If pawn honours spectacularly unpack improvements indeed as as the company claimt, must be waited; it is a fatal sign that with no word well-known plasma disadvantages if flow usage and warmth issuing were spoken. Moreover Pioneer-manager Katsunobu want Shioda lost that the new baffles will become, just like the existing product range of the company, not cheap, but superior picture quality according to him each penny would be worth. In May the company the renewed product range will present.


Source: www.tweakers.net

There are a few English language stories on this - http://news.google.co.uk/news?hl=en&...ncl=1112538494

The technology does indeed look impressive.

[Tejstar]

I agree – if what the reporters are saying is true, then this is something I’ll wait for. I do wonder how much more expensive it will be than existing Pioneer screens though.

[raigraphixs]

some more comments on the product; (granted this is not 'new' news)

http://uk.gear.ign.com/articles/753/753836p1.html

http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/content/pr...s/cesShow.html

[Mayhs]

wow pioneer are showing what true dedication to a technology can make it do...price will be astronomical though

[DanDT]

They still don't understand that they need to go low-cost.

Sony is developing OLED which will be low-cost AND better quality than we get now. Other manufacturers are getting LCD screens with better tech.

And Pioneer still hangs onto stupidly expensive (to manufacture and therefore for the customer) plasma technology...

When a "plasma 2.0" and an OLED screen will be side by side in the shops, with OLED still probably having better IQ, and costing 5 times less, it will be clear which one will fly off the shelves.

Besides, "Plasma 2.0" is a suicide name in terms of marketing.

[Tejstar]

But will OLED really cost 5x less? I don't think there has been any firm info regarding release dates for large screen OLED's. If Pioneer brings the '2.0' screens to the market next year I suspect there will still be a demand for them!

[DanDT]

Originally Posted by Tejstar

But will OLED really cost 5x less? I don't think there has been any firm info regarding release dates for large screen OLED's. If Pioneer brings the '2.0' screens to the market next year I suspect there will still be a demand for them!

Initially both will be sold at a premium obviously, but OLED will surely come down in price much quicker than most other technologies simply because it's so cheap to produce.

[Tejstar]

I'm more excited about the potential of OLED/SED than Pioneer's new technology and when push comes to shove price will be a major factor. If they can enable low cost mass production then OLED's will be huge.

[Nabs]

Plasma 2 will still have lower screen res than 1080p and no mention of the screen-burn issue. The latter is still a big problem for me!

[raigraphixs]

what technology will eliminate for good;

- image burn
- dead pixels
- motion-blur

[Tejstar]

Originally Posted by Nabs

Plasma 2 will still have lower screen res than 1080p and no mention of the screen-burn issue. The latter is still a big problem for me!

But even with modern plasmas screen burn is less prevalent. I have never suffered with it my 2 year old plasma.

[NicolasB]

Originally Posted by raigraphixs

what technology will eliminate for good;

- image burn
- dead pixels
- motion-blur

Any technology not based on phosphors is immune to screen-burn. So CRT, plasma and SED all suffer from it, while LCD, LCOS, DLP and OLED do not.

All pixel-based technologies suffer from dead pixels and always will. CRT is the only thing that doesn't. So all display technologies from now until the end of time will suffer from dead pixels, without exception.

Motion-blur can be the result of a slow response time; this is something which has only ever affected LCD and (to a lesser extent) LCOS. No other technology has the problem. However, all types of display can suffer from motion-blur, because latency (slow response time) is not the only thing that causes blur. A lot of the blur you see on modern displays (even LCD) is the result of poor image processing (such as excessive noise-reduction). This is entirely independent of the display technology.

I suspect that, to get motion-blur down to CRT levels, it may be necessary to go back to a scanning display - that is, a display which is lit up for only a small fraction of each frame and dark for the remainder. It is perfectly possible to do this with LCD, LCOS or DLP if you use an LED or laser-diode light-source. It'll be interesting to see what happens to motion-blur when manufacturers start using scanning backlights.

[DanDT]

Originally Posted by NicolasB

It'll be interesting to see what happens to motion-blur when manufacturers start using scanning backlights.

Well, some LCD manufacturers (Philips first, Samsung second, and the rest are joining the party) have started already and the results are very positive, motion blur was vastly reduced.

[hamster]

CRT suffers from dead pixels too...blocked mask holes and particles on the screen. The reason nobody got them was that CRTs were so cheap that the tubemakers binned the rejects instead of selling them, and that 30+ years of manufacturing had reduced the rejects to single percent levels.

OLED apparently can be made in an LCD fab, which is a good start in getting the cost out (limited investment,) but the rest of the cost reduction will be due to economies of scale.

However, there are still major development hurdles to overcome in terms of life and encapsulation of OLEDs.