[timmillwood]

At the moment i have a Plasma, and looking at all the TVs in shops Plasmas are the best, but the SED TVs seem great.

I cant wait to see one, i hope by this time next year to have a new TV and hope its a SED TV.

[Loobster]

I was hoping to wait for one of these too. But it appears less and less likely as time goes on that we are going to see them in the UK and affordable before 2009.

I guess a good plasma is as good as we are going to get for now.

[Suave]

Originally Posted by timmillwood

At the moment i have a Plasma, and looking at all the TVs in shops Plasmas are the best, but the SED TVs seem great.

I cant wait to see one, i hope by this time next year to have a new TV and hope its a SED TV.

Hi,

Got some real BAD NEWS for all of us expecting SED TV's in 2007 - Toshiba has officially declared that SED TV's will NOT noiw be marketed as mainline consumer products and will be specialist high price products for Studios and the like only - there it is, after all the hype. all the promises, all the postponements, all the new deadlines, one after the other - w are now being told this.. So, SED is DEAD as far as us consumers are concerned - I think this is really digusting behaviour from Toshiba - if they had licensed the technology to everyone else like JVC did with VHS then they would have dominated the global market and still had plenty of income coming in -- there excuse was it cannot compete with LCD on price -- well theres a way roubd that - create market demand for a superior technology, licensse it so there is constant supply, choice and avialability, more demand created lower prices and everyone is happy but I guess they are too arrogant, short sighted and frankly too bloody thick to even realise that.. what a shame and shameful conduct by Toshiba..

Suave!

[No-One]

Source?

[KenB2]

Hi,

The last press release on the consumer side I can find is this one:

http://www.toshiba.co.jp/about/press/2006_03/pr0801.htm

and that talks about 2008 maybe.

I haven't seen the pro marketing, so do not know whats been said on that side. I could also see them concentrating on the pro market only – plasma was like that for ages.

Sounds like SED has definitely gone off the boil hype wise – the Tosh/Canon camp seem to be back-peddling quite a bit lately.

That's a shame - sounded interesting technology – especially the high contrast and low power features.

Ken B.

Originally Posted by No-One

Source?

In the other thread I linked to http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english...061225/125850/

Apparently SED is being further delayed by a lawsuit against Canon filed by a small American company that claims to own some of the SED patents.

[Scoobiesnacks]

Originally Posted by Pondle

In the other thread I linked to http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english...061225/125850/

Apparently SED is being further delayed by a lawsuit against Canon filed by a small American company that claims to own some of the SED patents.

This is the company involved with the litigation.
http://www.nano-proprietary.com/

Here is the motion
http://www.nano-proprietary.com/PDFs...n%20Motion.pdf

Report from Engadget.com
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/01/t...snag/#comments

[Scoobiesnacks]

Originally Posted by Pondle

In the other thread I linked to http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english...061225/125850/

Apparently SED is being further delayed by a lawsuit against Canon filed by a small American company that claims to own some of the SED patents.

Unless the report has got this wrong this seems pretty categoric to me, SED won't be a consumer product. Interesting that the Director says Plasma is the way to go.

Is anyone else working on SED for consumers?

[ash]

Mmmmm... bad news. I was hoping to get one in 2010 before the World Cup to watch the WC in RSA in 2160p!

[Aitch_Kay]

Is OLED still gonna arrive ?

[kingsize]

I can't wait forChristmas....................

[hamster]

SED was never going to be able to compete - there was just too much money invested in LCD. Eventually (if nothing else) the LCD industry would have killed SED with predatory pricing.

As it is the LCD guys are so busy bombing prices as they fight each other that there's no point in even launching SED.

A pity..SED looked as though it had potential, but the whole FED/SED business has guzzled billions of investors' money with no result..Candescent, Nano-proprietary, iFire, Sony etc etc

[Reiner]

Originally Posted by Scoobiesnacks

Is anyone else working on SED for consumers?

Sony is working on FED and wants to commercialize it, but if it will be available as consumer product remains to be seen: Sony Forms FED Display Venture Final decision is said to be made in June 2008.

[AML]

I was hoping SED would own all the other screen types, but with all its delays I think its already too late to introduce another screen type.

Most people are happy with LCDs. I myself recently bought an LCD projector to replace my older plasma. Im very happy with it. (i know its not an actual LCD screen but its still LCD tech)

Even if SED comes out and it looks far better (unlikely) than either plasma or LCD, i doubt the prices will be competitive enough for people to move to SED.

This is the thing about SED. Is it really going to be THAT much better than LCD or plasma?
I dont think it will. And being new tech the prices wont justify it.

People wont buy into it in big enough number to make that tech successfull.

Even if, technologicaly speaking, SED is better than anything else, that doesnt mean people will buy it. VHS over Betamax is a good example.

[Loobster]

Originally Posted by AML

Even if SED comes out and it looks far better (unlikely) than either plasma or LCD......

This is the thing about SED. Is it really going to be THAT much better than LCD or plasma?
I dont think it will.

If SED wasn't going to be significantly better than LCD/plasma then there'd be no point in pumping millions into the R&D, would there. Of course it will be better. Both for HD and SD material (especially SD).

[Scoobiesnacks]

Will be interesting to see what comes out of the press conferences today if anything at CES about SED.

I think the problem here is that for the next year at least the manufacturers all have massive capital invested in brand new LCD plants so there's no money to be made to invest new SED plants, that will only serve to erode premium LCD sales

LCD prices are likely to continue to fall so margins on these products will reduce this year (Sony has indicated that this is hampering their investment in thin screens).

All I can hope is that SED is sufficiently better for someone to bite the bullet and launch a premium product. As per Toshiba's Director's comments earlier in the thread, SED may only launch initially this year at the premium end - studios etc. And that's only if the court case can be solved.

Either way, at present it doesn't look like consumers will see SEDs this year unless we hear something different at CES or CEBIT

Edit - Update the Toshiba Press conference features a slide showing trends in flat panel sales - unsuprisingly it shows LCD and Plasma - no SEC

http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/07/l...ss-conference/

[Scoobiesnacks]

Apparently Samsung's 81-Series LCDs Have 50,000:1 Contrast Ratio.

http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-...tio-226715.php

[CAS FAN]

Originally Posted by Scoobiesnacks

Apparently Samsung's 81-Series LCDs Have 50,000:1 Contrast Ratio.

http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-...tio-226715.php

Wow! That's stunning! Who needs SED when you can have LCD's with that Contrast ratio.

[Chris Muriel]

Originally Posted by CAS FAN

Wow! That's stunning! Who needs SED when you can have LCD's with that Contrast ratio.

Dynamic or static contrast ratio ? This is one specification that can be fiddled to read virtually any number that the marketeers wish to portray.

Chris Muriel, Manchester

[Scoobiesnacks]

too early to know, suspect more will come out over the next few days. Maybe they'll demo it at CES (if its ready)

http://www.macnn.com/articles/07/01/...ith.led.light/

[AML]

I think Cas Fan has prooved my point here.
Who needs SED when LCD can provide such good results?

I honestly do beleive that SED is already finished. Even if the tech is better it wont out do LCD for prices.

As long as LCD can do SD material well, as well as HD material (and lets face it, everything is going HD these days anyway) it will always out sell something like SED. I beleive SED will end up being a niche product.

[CAS FAN]

Originally Posted by Chris Muriel

Dynamic or static contrast ratio ? This is one specification that can be fiddled to read virtually any number that the marketeers wish to portray.

Chris Muriel, Manchester

As posted above by Scoobiesnacks, that info isn't available as yet but to be honest you can't just make up the numbers for marketing reasons. The TV would have to at least show something in the ball park of that ratio for them to state it.

At the end of the day I feel that most companies see LCD being the primary TV format at least for the near future (say next 5-10 years). The cost of LCD has come right down now to the point where you can but a 1080p 42" set for less than £1000 and a 32" 720p set for less than £500. At that price range they are well within reach of the average joe bloggs for both primary and secondary TV's. You can therefore be pretty sure that a lot of money is going into LCD research to develop the tech further to achieve better results (black levels, response times, backlights, colour levels etc.). By the time SED comes out i'm sure that there will be some basically SED quality panel out for a fraction of the price of an SED panel. Even if the SED's are still slightly better, they won't be able to compete on cost to get the mass market and, as AML says, they will remain a niche product. I just can't see SED ever getting the sales to warrant the extra research so unless it's considerably better than LCD when it is released, I can't really see it competing.

The selling point of SED is really that you can have CRT picture quality in a flat panel so if LCD is pretty much at that level come SED's release then that selling point becomes pretty void and you are left paying probably a fair bit more for little if any return.

[LV426]

Mod Comment All that LCD vs Plasma stuff has found a new home in an old LCD vs PLasma thread.

[NicolasB]

Originally Posted by CAS FAN

As posted above by Scoobiesnacks, that info isn't available as yet but to be honest you can't just make up the numbers for marketing reasons.

Actually yes, you can, and "dynamic contrast ratio" is a prime example of companies doing precisely that. By changing the definition they were able to go from "1000:1 contrast ratio" to "10000:1 contrast ratio" overnight, without any actual improvement to the product.

Talk about an LCD with a 50,000:1 contrast ratio, now Pioneer looks like it's going to drive another nail into SED's coffin with its new-generation plasma technology.

Not much detail but the hype looks to be in full swing -
http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/12528/...w-Plasma-Tech/
http://uk.gear.ign.com/articles/753/753475p1.html

I don't know about you guys, but I'm already forgetting about that SED vapourware!

[timmillwood]

Originally Posted by Pondle

Talk about an LCD with a 50,000:1 contrast ratio, now Pioneer looks like it's going to drive another nail into SED's coffin with its new-generation plasma technology.

Not much detail but the hype looks to be in full swing -
http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/12528/...w-Plasma-Tech/
http://uk.gear.ign.com/articles/753/753475p1.html

I don't know about you guys, but I'm already forgetting about that SED vapourware!

This sounds good, i really like Pioneer stuff, great pictures!

If this is the 8th Gen Pioneer plasma then i will be getting one!

[Loobster]

Oh come on guys. Just harping on about how good LCD is because you have them, doesn't make it true. You might be able to convince yourselves, but not me.

Current LCD technology is poor. Yes it's improving. But it's nowhere near as good as plasma and the LCD makers should be thankful that SED has had the delays because if they were available LCDs wouldn't be anywhere as near as attractive as they are now. The only thing they have going for them is price. There isn't any other advantage. And that's being eroded by plummetting plasma prices.

Who in their right mind would pay £900 for a 37" LCD when you can get a plasma for the same price?

And what difference does a better contrast ratio make? It doesn't mean anything as regards picture quality. It's still full of pixelation which looks garbage.

Oh I don't know, the new Samsung 81 series sounds pretty cool to me (http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-ente...io-226715.php). On the whole it seems like the big LCD problems with ghosting and contrast are on their way to being well and truly fixed.

To be honest I don't care about the technology of my next TV - SED, Pioneer's "Plasma 2.0", LED-backlit LCD - as long as it gives me a great picture without forcing me to take out a mortgage just to buy it.

[Tejstar]

Originally Posted by Pondle

Talk about an LCD with a 50,000:1 contrast ratio, now Pioneer looks like it's going to drive another nail into SED's coffin with its new-generation plasma technology.

Not much detail but the hype looks to be in full swing -
http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/12528/...w-Plasma-Tech/
http://uk.gear.ign.com/articles/753/753475p1.html

I don't know about you guys, but I'm already forgetting about that SED vapourware!

Thanks for that link - I was thinking about buying a new screen soon but I think I'll just wait a little longer!

[Loobster]

Originally Posted by Pondle

a) On the whole it seems like the big LCD problems with ghosting and contrast are on their way to being well and truly fixed.

b) To be honest I don't care about the technology of my next TV - SED, Pioneer's "Plasma 2.0", LED-backlit LCD - as long as it gives me a great picture without forcing me to take out a mortgage just to buy it.

a) You are probably correct. But my point is that that time has not arrived yet.

b) I don't care either. But again, that time isn't here yet. Hence, if I want to watch HD now, I need to buy a panel that meets that criteria (great picture for both HD and SD, and reasonable cost). At the moment, the only option to me is plasma.