HP ProLiant MicroServer N40L Owner's Thread

MacUsers · 30-01-2012, 1:22 PM

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Originally Posted by rdoddy

and when does the invoice arrive, with the unit or by email from ebuyer?

Dunno about eBuyer; bought it from dabs and the invoice was sent to my mailbox on the day it was dispatched. Normally you get a delivery note with the delivery and the invoice arrives separately but I've seen retailers to put the invoice in the box as well. Looks like if the item comes straight from the warehouse or manufactures, it doesn't carry the invoice with it. Cheers!!

nacmacfeegle · 30-01-2012, 1:33 PM

"and when does the invoice arrive, with the unit or by email from ebuyer?"

You can print it directly from your ebuyer account.

edit Ah, AJfish beat me to it.

XRS · 30-01-2012, 1:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ajfish

rdoddy,
I think you will be fine. If you read the terms of conditions of the offer which you signed, it doesn't mention anything about delivery, only about the invoice date. Since you have signed these they can't turn around and hold you to having the server delivered by the end of the month.
Your invoice should be available already via Ebuyer. Go to "My Account" and print it off.
AJ

Could be a problem if you don't have the serial number, though. Mine came from Dabs the day after I ordered it (though I had asked for it to be delivered on day 2) and I sorted out the claim by email in no time at all.

jerrymac · 30-01-2012, 2:01 PM

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Originally Posted by a_friend

One slight problem installed whs2011 last night and every time the system needed to reboot it would freeze on the shutting down message.

Is this a whs2011 or a microserver bios setting issue? I have the bays bios installed and os is running on this sata connection.

I had the same configuration and experienced the same thing.
Flashed to a different bios version and the freezing on shutdown disappeared.
WHS2011 now shuts down as normal or reboots as normal when it needs to.

ajfish · 30-01-2012, 2:10 PM

Originally Posted by ajfish

rdoddy,
I think you will be fine. If you read the terms of conditions of the offer which you signed, it doesn't mention anything about delivery, only about the invoice date. Since you have signed these they can't turn around and hold you to having the server delivered by the end of the month.
Your invoice should be available already via Ebuyer. Go to "My Account" and print it off.
AJ

Quote:

Originally Posted by XRS

Could be a problem if you don't have the serial number, though. Mine came from Dabs the day after I ordered it (though I had asked for it to be delivered on day 2) and I sorted out the claim by email in no time at all.

Well you can get the serial number when the box arrives. Not having the serial number just means that the claim can't be submitted until the box arrives. The claim doesn't have to be submitted before the end of the month.
AJ

Dazo · 30-01-2012, 9:38 PM

For anyone thinking of going down the same route latest Serviio seems to be working a lot better for me compared to PS Media server. Transcoding on the fly to my Sony TV with only about 40% CPU usage on files that running via PS3 media server my TV wouldn't even see.

instigator · 30-01-2012, 9:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dazo

For anyone thinking of going down the same route latest Serviio seems to be working a lot better for me compared to PS Media server. Transcoding on the fly to my Sony TV with only about 40% CPU usage on files that running via PS3 media server my TV wouldn't even see.

Cool...

baldmosher · 30-01-2012, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jerrymac

I have the N36L and have installed a PCIex1 card with two esata connectors.
Is there anyone who can confirm this and more to the point, is there any way of increasing or getting around this 12 drive limit?

Wow, we get around Jerry!

DarkEntity · 30-01-2012, 10:34 PM

Thats my order in for 8Gb Ram, 3Tb Hard Drive and Windows Home Server 2011

should be here Wednesday, cant wait to get it all setup

baldmosher · 30-01-2012, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by nacmacfeegle

Most modern graphics cards will send audio over HDMI, I believe the 5450 will as well.
Your connection will be N40L>HDMI>Amp>hdmi>Tv, yes the N40 will see the resolution of the Tv via the amp. The amp does not become the monitor, the Tv does.

Yep, HD5450 is fine as long as you're using Windows. Linux support for AMD GPU is poor but GPU is marginally better video quality. Otherwise, go for a G210 or GT530 or similar, depends whether you want 3D capability. All well under £40.

But the onboard CPU will easily decode 1080p BluRays, if it's already not under heavy use from other apps, so you might not need an onboard GPU at all, except for HDMI or (optical) audio output. No sound card in the Microserver, but it does have VGA output already, so perhaps you could make do with that and a cheap USB "sound card" with optical audio output to the amp. Depends entirely on your setup & requirements, I chose a GT530 with a fan for various reasons, none of which seem like such a good idea with hindsight, but I can always sell it and buy a passive HD5450/6450/6570 eventually.

HDMI will carry audio, video and ethernet right down the chain from end to end - your amp will only access the audio data of course, and your TV (if you turn the sound up of course) will access the audio and video data. Think of your Microserver as if it were your BD player, set top digibox, and Apple TV combined, with a full internet connection, and a cackload of storage built in.....

As regards "streaming to your amp" unless your amp is capable of decoding and outputting video somehow I think you're mixing your metaphors. The only things that do the streaming are your Microserver or any other DLNA or similar media server on the network.

EDIT: more sense here:#
HP ProLiant MicroServer N40L Owner's Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajfish

I will probably end up going for the 5450 as I am not fussed about 3D.

A very wise choice IMHO

baldmosher · 30-01-2012, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ajfish

Originally Posted by MacUsers image

You running Windows or Linux? On Linux, then AFAIU, without S3 sleep mode, WOL won't work.
On a separate note, how do you do WOL from WAN? Cheers!!

I am using Windows Server 2008. The net card is configured to "Allow the computer to turn off this device to save power"
"Allow this device to Wake the computer" and "Only allow management Stations to wake the computer"
With the last option set it will wake when it receives a magic packet. I use a magic packet sender from WOL - Magic Packet Sender - Free Windows Software (it's free). You obviously need the mac address of the net card in the HP N40L. You need to configure the magic packet to be sent to the public IP address of the router which your server sits behind. If you haven't got a static IP you can use a service like DynDNS which will give you an easily remembered domain name to use. Then the only other thing you need to do is port forward UDP packets on port 9 on the router to the server's private IP address which is usually of the form 192.168.x.x
I have used this a number of times to turn the server on (which is at home) from the office, after shutting it down the night before. Then I can Remote Desktop in. Works like a dream.
I agree, scheduling start up and shutdown like you could on my redundant Netgear NAS Duo would be useful.
AJ

That sounds like something I really need to try out but I know I'd rather pay for 35W of power 24/7 than waste my time working out how to do that!

ajfish · 31-01-2012, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by baldmosher

That sounds like something I really need to try out but I know I'd rather pay for 35W of power 24/7 than waste my time working out how to do that!

BaldMosher, LOL. That tickled me, but I did read my post back and it does sounds horrendously complicated. It really isn't. When I get time I will put together some screenshots and make it available, especially if anyone else wants to save some power!;-)
AJ

Dazo · 31-01-2012, 6:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ajfish

BaldMosher, LOL. That tickled me, but I did read my post back and it does sounds horrendously complicated. It really isn't. When I get time I will put together some screenshots and make it available, especially if anyone else wants to save some power!;-)
AJ

I would definitely be interested in this. Does anyone use or know of any magic packet sender software for MAC ?

MacUsers · 31-01-2012, 7:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Dazo

I would definitely be interested in this. Does anyone use or know of any magic packet sender software for MAC ?

Actually, you don't need any s/w for Mac (I believe you meant Apple Macintosh) - all you need a little script to do that. You can take look at this script I wrote a while ago; it works on both OS X and Linux. The same thing can be done using AppleScript as well but I never tried that. Hope that helps. Cheers!!

Dazo · 31-01-2012, 8:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MacUsers

Actually, you don't need any s/w for Mac (I believe you meant Apple Macintosh) - all you need a little script to do that. You can take look at this script I wrote a while ago; it works on both OS X and Linux. The same thing can be done using AppleScript as well but I never tried that. Hope that helps. Cheers!!

Cheers will have a look when I get home.

ajfish · 31-01-2012, 9:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dazo

I would definitely be interested in this. Does anyone use or know of any magic packet sender software for MAC ?

Well you don't actually need a script at all or anything for the MAC in order to send the magic packets, you can use this website to send the magic packet. I haven't actually tried it, but clearly it's platform independant."http://www.lchu.net/wowASP/index.htm"
New Page 1 <---Their title tags are a bit amiss!
AJ

MacUsers · 31-01-2012, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ajfish

Well you don't actually need a script at all or anything for the MAC in order to send the magic packets, you can use this website to send the magic packet.

Couple of thoughts - what about the site is down or the Internet service is interrupted in your local area or maybe your modem/router facing difficulties connecting the out side world? A "standalone" thing is always worth having, if possible.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajfish

I haven't actually tried it, but clearly it's platform independant.

Independent in what sense - sending or receiving? "Sending" cannot be platform independent e.g. a WOL script written in VB cannot be executed from your Linux desktop or MacBook but can wake up a computer running Linux, Mac, Solaris or Windows. The same for the website - if it was made with .Net, then you cannot run it on, for example a Solaris server (in normal circumstance); in this case the web server itself actually acts as the WOL magic-packet sender. Cheers!!

JeffD · 31-01-2012, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by rdoddy

and when does the invoice arrive, with the unit or by email from ebuyer?

As others have said, the invoice will be available in your ebuyer account as soon as you are charged, however you need to be careful you print off the right thing as people have had the cashback rejected by supplying the wrong print out.

Once logged in your Account go to My Orders then under the relelvent Order Number column select the order the Microserver was part of, this opens the View Order screen, note - this is not the invoice screen you need. From the View Order window you should see the Microserver under Product Description, go along the line to the right until you get to the Status column, if invoice is available then it will say Invoiced here, click on the Invoiced link and this will take you to the Ebuyer Invoice window, I've attached a screenhot of the window you need.

Dazo · 31-01-2012, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajfish

Well you don't actually need a script at all or anything for the MAC in order to send the magic packets, you can use this website to send the magic packet. I haven't actually tried it, but clearly it's platform independant."http://www.lchu.net/wowASP/index.htm"
New Page 1 <---Their title tags are a bit amiss!
AJ

I did come across that site during a search but as mentioned above I would prefer to send the packets local via my own network.

Thanks for posting the info though.

fixtures_man · 31-01-2012, 12:47 PM

anyone think the offer will be extended? Tempted but don't want to take a chance ordering today

ajfish · 31-01-2012, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dazo

I did come across that site during a search but as mentioned above I would prefer to send the packets local via my own network.

Thanks for posting the info though.

Well if you only want to do this on your own LAN then fair point, but in that case I find my forefinger works just as quickly to turn the server on.

AJ

Dazo · 31-01-2012, 1:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ajfish

Well if you only want to do this on your own LAN then fair point, but in that case I find my forefinger works just as quickly to turn the server on.

AJ

Haha Fair point but not if the server is tucked away and I would rather sit on my arse.

fixtures_man · 31-01-2012, 1:35 PM

I have a few 2GB DDR3 1060MHz RAM modules lying around. Would they be compatible?

Mark.balcombe · 31-01-2012, 1:47 PM

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Originally Posted by fixtures_man

anyone think the offer will be extended? Tempted but don't want to take a chance ordering today

I emailed them yesterday and they advised the Promotion was going to be extended into February.

fixtures_man · 31-01-2012, 2:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark.balcombe

I emailed them yesterday and they advised the Promotion was going to be extended into February.

sweet sounds good

davisa · 31-01-2012, 4:32 PM

My Microserver from eBuyer finally arrived (seems Supersaver delivery just means keep it in despatch for 4 days, then send it on a next day. Hmmm.)

Emailed off my voucher Sunday night and got confirmation Monday 9:30am!

On the OS front, so far I've tried:

1. FreeNAS. Wasn't impressed. Seemed OK, but a bit cobbled together compared to my QNAP or ReadyNAS OS's. Keeps giving critical errors on reboot relating to secondary partition map being corrupt. Forums seem divided on this (common problem) - may or may not be an issue, or just a logging error. I'm not prepared to trust my data with such a potentially critical error though - which is the whole point of a NAS.

2. UnRAID. Seems fine so far. Very command line and documentation is all over the place, often out of date, confused or just lacking. Common functions not east to find (ie: how do I reboot safely or shutdown safely my NAS. No clear answer I could find.). GUI is UGLY with a capital U G L Y! Installed a new skin which at least lets me look at it without being sick and the add-ons seem good, if a little bit strange in relation to installing and reinstalling them each boot.

3. OpenFiler. Didn't see the point as no AFP support.

4. Windows Home Server 2011. Not a Windows person, but thought I should try all options. This will be my task over the next few days. I know it won't do AFP (without virtualisation) but it would have benefits of running iTunes (although I read it is a pain to install). Also not sure about virus's scanning as don't bother on Mac/Unix. Intending to use FlexRaid with it.

Conclusion: Unless WHS is brilliant, I'll use UnRaid and suffer the steep learning curve.

UPDATE 1/2/11: Didn't get on with WHS at all. Its clearly fine with a mainly Windows network, but I have all Mac's and it really isn't targeted at me. I found the install cumbersome, the control panel install messy and requirements of IE baffling.

So, back to UnRAID for an extended test...

clockworks · 31-01-2012, 4:40 PM

WHS2011 works fine with iTunes - at least, it does for me with my N40L. iTunes isn't happy about the lack of a soundcard, but that can be resolved for less than £2.

MikeK · 31-01-2012, 4:55 PM

There's also OpenMediaVault and ZFSGuru that you could take a look at.

Uridium · 31-01-2012, 6:50 PM

2008 R2 runs well on the Microserver as well if you can get a copy via dreamspark or MSDN etc..bit pricey if not though.

Dazo · 31-01-2012, 6:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacUsers

Actually, you don't need any s/w for Mac (I believe you meant Apple Macintosh) - all you need a little script to do that. You can take look at this script I wrote a while ago; it works on both OS X and Linux. The same thing can be done using AppleScript as well but I never tried that. Hope that helps. Cheers!!

Get an error when trying save the suggested script, copied below.

Pop up box says the following: A “"” can’t go after this identifier.

Pointing this line with the text in bold and underlined highlighted: exec /usr/bin/python -x "$0" "$@"

30-01-2012, 1:33 PM	#932
nacmacfeegle Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Auchenblae Thanks: Gave 417, Got 671 Posts: 2,741	"and when does the invoice arrive, with the unit or by email from ebuyer?" You can print it directly from your ebuyer account. edit Ah, AJfish beat me to it. Last edited by nacmacfeegle; 30-01-2012 at 2:01 PM.

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davisa Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Thanks: Gave 13, Got 17 Posts: 353	My Microserver from eBuyer finally arrived (seems Supersaver delivery just means keep it in despatch for 4 days, then send it on a next day. Hmmm.) Emailed off my voucher Sunday night and got confirmation Monday 9:30am! On the OS front, so far I've tried: 1. FreeNAS. Wasn't impressed. Seemed OK, but a bit cobbled together compared to my QNAP or ReadyNAS OS's. Keeps giving critical errors on reboot relating to secondary partition map being corrupt. Forums seem divided on this (common problem) - may or may not be an issue, or just a logging error. I'm not prepared to trust my data with such a potentially critical error though - which is the whole point of a NAS. 2. UnRAID. Seems fine so far. Very command line and documentation is all over the place, often out of date, confused or just lacking. Common functions not east to find (ie: how do I reboot safely or shutdown safely my NAS. No clear answer I could find.). GUI is UGLY with a capital U G L Y! Installed a new skin which at least lets me look at it without being sick and the add-ons seem good, if a little bit strange in relation to installing and reinstalling them each boot. 3. OpenFiler. Didn't see the point as no AFP support. 4. Windows Home Server 2011. Not a Windows person, but thought I should try all options. This will be my task over the next few days. I know it won't do AFP (without virtualisation) but it would have benefits of running iTunes (although I read it is a pain to install). Also not sure about virus's scanning as don't bother on Mac/Unix. Intending to use FlexRaid with it. Conclusion: Unless WHS is brilliant, I'll use UnRaid and suffer the steep learning curve. UPDATE 1/2/11: Didn't get on with WHS at all. Its clearly fine with a mainly Windows network, but I have all Mac's and it really isn't targeted at me. I found the install cumbersome, the control panel install messy and requirements of IE baffling. So, back to UnRAID for an extended test... Last edited by davisa; 01-02-2012 at 7:50 AM. Reason: Update

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30-01-2012, 9:38 PM	#936
Dazo Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Thanks: Gave 22, Got 73 Posts: 1,994	For anyone thinking of going down the same route latest Serviio seems to be working a lot better for me compared to PS Media server. Transcoding on the fly to my Sony TV with only about 40% CPU usage on files that running via PS3 media server my TV wouldn't even see.

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DarkEntity Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Glasgow(ish) Thanks: Gave 26, Got 129 Posts: 2,025	Thats my order in for 8Gb Ram, 3Tb Hard Drive and Windows Home Server 2011 should be here Wednesday, cant wait to get it all setup

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fixtures_man Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ballymena Thanks: Gave 28, Got 8 Posts: 323	anyone think the offer will be extended? Tempted but don't want to take a chance ordering today

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fixtures_man Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ballymena Thanks: Gave 28, Got 8 Posts: 323	I have a few 2GB DDR3 1060MHz RAM modules lying around. Would they be compatible?

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clockworks Prominent Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: West Country Thanks: Gave 148, Got 329 Posts: 3,573	WHS2011 works fine with iTunes - at least, it does for me with my N40L. iTunes isn't happy about the lack of a soundcard, but that can be resolved for less than £2.

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