DVD-A & SACD will crash & burn...

JUS · 09-09-2003, 4:33 PM

...if Sony etc don't sack the people currently deciding which albums to convert to these new formats..

Footloose, Kenny Logins, Toto, Chicargo ????? Come on.

They'll probably decide the format is a flop based on no-one buying the cheesy sound track to the naff 80's movie Footloose. I would love to meet the plonkers who are deciding the albums to put on DVD-A & SACD.

Also, they remaster Toto and Footloose into 5.1 but they leave Rollingstones in sterio???

I love my multichannel music and don't want it to die

Aaaahhh. I feel better now

Mr Cat · 09-09-2003, 4:42 PM

RE: Footloose, Kenny Logins, Toto, Chicargo ?????

you are right tho, seems like they're employing a bunch of pensioners...!!!

sigh

gringottsdirect · 09-09-2003, 7:09 PM

Same thing as happened with new fangled 8-Track Cartridges and musicassettes in seventies then later with CD.
Record companies must figure fortysomethings the main target for SACD / DVD-A releases.
Much as Pet Sounds, Billion Dollar Babies and The Captain And Me are fantastic in hi-res as are many of the others, the only way hi-res is going to be taken seriously is with hybrid releases of latest hot stuff.
Maybe I'm completely wrong, should just open a bottle of wine and live my life in 1976.

LDR · 09-09-2003, 7:28 PM

The new Iron Maiden Album "Dance of Death" which was released on CD yesterday (8.9.03) will be released on DVD-A format some time in October..I've heard the DVD-A mix of the single "Wildest Dreams" and it is an excellent multichannel mix.

Looking foward to doing a full CD/DVD-A comparison when its released.

11-09-2003, 11:36 AM

I am starting to agree with Jus. I have posted before on the laughable SACD/DVDA stock in the countries biggest record stores. HMV and Megastore on Oxford Street.

Without wishing to sound like a flash bast' I have just spent 4 days in New York, where they also have big stores. The coverage of SACD & DVDA was better, just.

Big HMV had some, got SO by Peter Gabriel for a tenner. Virgin on Times square was a joke. Furthest point from the door 2 floors down in a dark corner. Choice was rubbish. Best Buy (always my fav in USA) wasnt too bad. Biggest Choice by far. Got Joe Satriani Engines of Creation SACD for eleven quid. Tower Records was Ok but no where near as good as their web site for SACD.

DVDA selection was minimal in all but Best Buy. Mostly duffers music.

So two of the greatest cities on earth with monster record shops and the SACD/DVDA showing is poor.

Next thing the stores will be claiming that the Internet is destroying the music business!!

I dont think these formats are ready for prime time. Its an education issue. My other half still doesnt understand why there is DVDA and SACD. And more importantly why she should care.

Marketing blokes need to extract digits in my opinion.

Rog

11-09-2003, 11:38 AM

And another thing. Not one store out of 6 or 7 visited had the Rolling Stones on SACD. Not one. I thought it was a worldwide release.

Rog

11-09-2003, 2:49 PM

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Also, they remaster Toto and Footloose into 5.1 but they leave Rollingstones in sterio???

It was recorded in stereo. It's meant to be listened to in stereo.
Am I the only one who doesn't get this fad with 5.1 music?
Remastering from stereo tapes to a 5.1 mix just lead to a false placement of instruments and a rather muddled soundstage. I've yet to hear a decent surround mix that isn't jazzed up and over-the-top... when albums are recorded that way then I'll start listening to them that way, at the moment its just a new novelty to sell the formats. to the masses.

Give me a high quality stereo remaster over an average 5.1 mix anyday, besides which the Rolling Stones SACD issues are absolutely amazing compared to the originals, so I don't know what you're complaining about.. if you're really that way inclined, lay back, hit the ProLogic2 button and enjoy.

mjn · 11-09-2003, 11:27 PM

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Originally posted by LDR
The new Iron Maiden Album "Dance of Death" which was released on CD yesterday (8.9.03) will be released on DVD-A format some time in October..I've heard the DVD-A mix of the single "Wildest Dreams" and it is an excellent multichannel mix.

Looking foward to doing a full CD/DVD-A comparison when its released.

er....isn't it just dd5.1 and DTS.....not DVD-A?

Ian J · 12-09-2003, 7:28 AM

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Originally posted by gringottsdirect
Maybe I'm completely wrong, should just open a bottle of wine and live my life in 1976.

Why not, the music was much better then anyway

higenbs1 · 12-09-2003, 7:37 AM

Talking of DVD-A and SACS, does anyone know a good site listing all DVD-A and SACS discs available. Also, as I'm new to DVD-A, is there an equivalent of region coding. Can my player play US discs? Or if it's multiregion for DVD-V, will US discs play anyway?

**alexs2** · 12-09-2003, 7:39 AM

For a listing,you can try www.vivante.co.uk the prices aren't the best though!...an amazing selection of SACD/DVD-A/DTS/Audiophile CD's here.

higenbs1 · 12-09-2003, 7:56 AM

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Originally posted by alexs2
For a listing,you can try www.vivante.co.uk the prices aren't the best though!...an amazing selection of SACD/DVD-A/DTS/Audiophile CD's here.

Cheers for that; good DVD-A selection. It says the SACD list is under construction - Any other recommendations.

**alexs2** · 12-09-2003, 8:13 AM

They do regularly update the catalogue...should be up again soon,I would think.

12-09-2003, 10:53 AM

Play have a few DVDA and SACD. Towerrecords.co.uk (and the US site which is joined) have a good selection at not bad prices. Delivery from US in about a week.

EZYDVD and futureent also have DVDA discs.

I have not noticed any region coding on DVDA, but I have a region free player so no clue anyway.

Rog

**alexs2** · 12-09-2003, 10:56 AM

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Originally posted by rnjones

I have not noticed any region coding on DVDA, but I have a region free player so no clue anyway.

Rog

There's certainly something there,as I have a Toshiba 125E that came free with my TV,and it hasn't been multi-region enabled...it simply will not play a DVD-A,whilst the multi-region HCPC and my ancient Samsung DVD that my kids use have no problems at all.

Dimmy · 12-09-2003, 4:03 PM

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Originally posted by Ian J
Why not, the music was much better then anyway

Hmm...

LDR · 12-09-2003, 4:18 PM

LDR wrote :

The new Iron Maiden Album "Dance of Death" which was released on CD yesterday (8.9.03) will be released on DVD-A format some time in October..I've heard the DVD-A mix of the single "Wildest Dreams" and it is an excellent multichannel mix.

Looking foward to doing a full CD/DVD-A comparison when its released.

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Originally posted by mjn
er....isn't it just dd5.1 and DTS.....not DVD-A?

Not according to ironmaiden.com, and a listing I've seen on euphoricsounds.com is as follows...

Iron Maiden - Dance Of Death - DVD-A
Price from: £17.99

Track List

1. Wildest Dreams
2. Rainmaker
3. No More Lies
4. Montsegur
5. Dance Of Death
6. Gates Of Tomorrow
7. New Frontier
8. Paschendale
9. Face In The Sand
10. Age Of Innocence
11. Journeyman

Additional Information

Release date: tba October 2003

This title must be played on a DVD-Video, DVD-Audio or dual compatible player only. Advanced Resolution audio and related visual content require DVD-Audio capable players.

Special features:

3 music formats:

Advanced Resolution Surround (for use with full surround equipment)

Advanced Resolution Stereo (for 2 speaker setup)

DVD-Video player compatible Dolby Digital (for use in normal DVD-Video players)

CAT: 592 3409

mjn · 12-09-2003, 6:25 PM

a bit of confusion here i think, i was talking about the single, not the album.

i thought the album was comig out on SACD!

LDR · 12-09-2003, 6:36 PM

They released a DVD single which featured the DVD-A multichannel mix as well as a regular CD single...and 7" vinyl &....etc...

mjn · 12-09-2003, 8:14 PM

i have the dvd single and there is only a dd5.1, dts 5.1, and pcm 2 channel mix.

LDR · 14-09-2003, 12:53 PM

Yeah, you are correct on that, was given misleading info in my local record store where I heard it. Got my hands on a copy of the DVD-single and concur with you.

mjn · 14-09-2003, 6:35 PM

np.......

LDR · 14-09-2003, 6:37 PM

Ah well, Iron Maiden enter the album charts at No.2 with Dance Of Death..so near yet..

JUS · 16-09-2003, 11:37 AM

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Originally posted by Kali
It was recorded in stereo. It's meant to be listened to in stereo.
Am I the only one who doesn't get this fad with 5.1 music?
Remastering from stereo tapes to a 5.1 mix just lead to a false placement of instruments and a rather muddled soundstage. I've yet to hear a decent surround mix that isn't jazzed up and over-the-top... when albums are recorded that way then I'll start listening to them that way, at the moment its just a new novelty to sell the formats. to the masses.

Kali,

I haven't listened to a disc that has a muddled soundstage. Which ones are you referring to? Footloose ?

I'm sure it does depend on the mixing engineer and also your system. If you have lower quality rear speakers you're not going to get matching sounds from the rears so it may sound muddled for that reason.

vonhosen · 16-09-2003, 4:38 PM

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Originally posted by higenbs1
Talking of DVD-A and SACS, does anyone know a good site listing all DVD-A and SACS discs available. Also, as I'm new to DVD-A, is there an equivalent of region coding. Can my player play US discs? Or if it's multiregion for DVD-V, will US discs play anyway?

http://www.dvd4music.com/

11-09-2003, 11:36 AM	#5
rnjones Guest Posts: n/a	I am starting to agree with Jus. I have posted before on the laughable SACD/DVDA stock in the countries biggest record stores. HMV and Megastore on Oxford Street. Without wishing to sound like a flash bast' I have just spent 4 days in New York, where they also have big stores. The coverage of SACD & DVDA was better, just. Big HMV had some, got SO by Peter Gabriel for a tenner. Virgin on Times square was a joke. Furthest point from the door 2 floors down in a dark corner. Choice was rubbish. Best Buy (always my fav in USA) wasnt too bad. Biggest Choice by far. Got Joe Satriani Engines of Creation SACD for eleven quid. Tower Records was Ok but no where near as good as their web site for SACD. DVDA selection was minimal in all but Best Buy. Mostly duffers music. So two of the greatest cities on earth with monster record shops and the SACD/DVDA showing is poor. Next thing the stores will be claiming that the Internet is destroying the music business!! I dont think these formats are ready for prime time. Its an education issue. My other half still doesnt understand why there is DVDA and SACD. And more importantly why she should care. Marketing blokes need to extract digits in my opinion. Rog
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11-09-2003, 11:38 AM	#6
rnjones Guest Posts: n/a	And another thing. Not one store out of 6 or 7 visited had the Rolling Stones on SACD. Not one. I thought it was a worldwide release. Rog
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12-09-2003, 10:53 AM	#14
rnjones Guest Posts: n/a	Play have a few DVDA and SACD. Towerrecords.co.uk (and the US site which is joined) have a good selection at not bad prices. Delivery from US in about a week. EZYDVD and futureent also have DVDA discs. I have not noticed any region coding on DVDA, but I have a region free player so no clue anyway. Rog
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