[Artie Fufkin]

I think on my other Metallica thread soundstory alluded to this but it's now confirmed that along with Kings of Leon and Paul McCartney, Metallica will feature on Jool's BBC show on Sept 16th.

[TBH, I've gone right off them and probably won't be watching. Both musically and personally I find them stale and arrogant.]

[karkus30]

Originally Posted by Artie Fufkin

I think on my other Metallica thread soundstory alluded to this but it's now confirmed that along with Kings of Leon and Paul McCartney, Metallica will feature on Jool's BBC show on Sept 16th.

[TBH, I've gone right off them and probably won't be watching. Both musically and personally I find them stale and arrogant.]

I watched that documentary the other night It's still really well done, but there is absolutely zero passion in their playing except for Trujillo. It just looks light the fires have died. There really isn't anything to discuss around their music.....stale definitely. Get the Cancer Bats album instead, might not be quite as melodic, but you can tell they are right up for tearing the heads off the crowd.....fantastic.

[aphex232]

excellent i will be watching.

and i dont agree with the statement that theyve lost passion in their music, if so why would they do it, they definately dont need the money. and why would they leave their families behind if they didnt enjoy the music? i agree that St.Anger was on the whole poor and it was more of a "keep the band together" sort of album. but some of the new material iv heard on the net has rekindled what they once created.

[karkus30]

Originally Posted by aphex232

excellent i will be watching.

and i dont agree with the statement that theyve lost passion in their music, if so why would they do it, they definately dont need the money. and why would they leave their families behind if they didnt enjoy the music? i agree that St.Anger was on the whole poor and it was more of a "keep the band together" sort of album. but some of the new material iv heard on the net has rekindled what they once created.

Thats a very naive statement. Metallica are in business to make money, they have a management structure through Q prime and a contract at Warner records since 1984 which ends shortly. This all takes money to run and everyone, including shareholders of Warner Music take a nice big slice.

Metallica are simply a product of a great big machine and they are one of the beneficiaries. They started the band to make money and they go out on the road to make money. They have lawyers that make sure they keep that money. You dont see them doing albums for free, its not for the pure love of it.

Best of luck to them in this. I admire what they have achieved and the professionalism that they have achieved it with. But when you are young, competitive, idealistic, full of ideas, gagging for girls and money, then the drive to produce something fantastic is tremendous. Later on, that need is less, its more about your lifestyle and family and looking after them than the music.......thats what I hear in their music these days. Dad Rock.

[deadtotheworld]

Wait till you hear the new album.... its not great. In fact its really mediocre, very uninspiring and uninspired. Total mishmash of riffs. I totally agree with karkus30 (15 years ago I would have argued with you!) Plus from what I have read, Rick Rubin didnt sound that interested either!

[aphex232]

Originally Posted by karkus30

Thats a very naive statement. Metallica are in business to make money, they have a management structure through Q prime and a contract at Warner records since 1984 which ends shortly. This all takes money to run and everyone, including shareholders of Warner Music take a nice big slice.

Metallica are simply a product of a great big machine and they are one of the beneficiaries. They started the band to make money and they go out on the road to make money. They have lawyers that make sure they keep that money. You dont see them doing albums for free, its not for the pure love of it.

Best of luck to them in this. I admire what they have achieved and the professionalism that they have achieved it with. But when you are young, competitive, idealistic, full of ideas, gagging for girls and money, then the drive to produce something fantastic is tremendous. Later on, that need is less, its more about your lifestyle and family and looking after them than the music.......thats what I hear in their music these days. Dad Rock.

so basically you are saying that WB and Q-prime are forcing metallica to make music because they are contractually obliged to do so?

[wormvortex]

All labels do. I read an Interview with Tom from Slayer and he said that after they release their next album (which is the final on their contract) he can't see slayer being around for much longer.

Loads of bands get forced into making albums unless they can buy their own way out of their contracts. Fear Factory were forced to release their last album in a short space of time and the result was an album the band and a lot of fans hated.

[karkus30]

Originally Posted by aphex232

so basically you are saying that WB and Q-prime are forcing metallica to make music because they are contractually obliged to do so?

Its funny that you say 'forcing'. They agreed to work with warner on a contractual basis and would have been given an upfront fee as part of the package. There are a number of high profile cases that you can refer to, two of them being Madonna and Prince.

Metallica has a contract with Warner. No one knows the details but it is a fair bet that they have to produce a set number of albums, songs or albums per couple of years. The rights of distribution of the work would normally be held by Warner, while the intellectual rights to the songs would be held by the band.

Q-Prime is their management, those are the guys that essentially manage the business. Lars and James are simply part of the product package and also the workforce. Q-prime protect the interests of all those involved but the obvious priority is Lars and Hetfield.

[aphex232]

hmmm well its made me think thats for sure, damn shame if that is the case

[mjn]

Originally Posted by wormvortex

Loads of bands get forced into making albums unless they can buy their own way out of their contracts. Fear Factory were forced to release their last album in a short space of time and the result was an album the band and a lot of fans hated.

motley Crue managed to get out their contract a few years ago, but how they did it, is top secret.

[krish]

Reminder for tonight!

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00dm7l5 (flash stream / iPlayer download available via this link after the show airs)

Later Live...with Jools Holland, Series 33, Episode 1

Godfathers of rock Metallica visit the studio for the first time in 12 years with tracks from their new album Death Magnetic. Also in the studio are Tennessee foursome Kings of Leon, who showcase tracks from their upcoming fourth album Only By The Night.

And making her UK TV debut, Italian born, French-bred singer-songwriter and now First Lady of France, Carla Bruni performs a song or two from her recently released third album, Comme Si De Rien N'était.

If that isn't enough, popstar in the making VV Brown makes an appearance, and New Jersey-born Nicole Atkins makes her British television debut, and Paul McCartney and Youth present a collaboration.

Broadcasts:
16 Sep 2008, 22:00, BBC Two
16 Sep 2008, 22:00, BBC HD

www.bbc.co.uk/later

[krish]

Don't forget the full 60 minute Later show is on this Friday at 11.35pm on BBC2 (and 11.30pm, Saturday on BBC HD)
- www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00dm7q3

... and followed by a repeat of the Metallica Culture Show Special at 12.35am
- www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00db3fc

[krish]

Sandman on Friday's full show ...

Mrs Sarkozy meets Metallica on TV
- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7619923.stm

Singer Carla Bruni, the wife of French President Nicolas Sarkozy, has given a rare performance, appearing alongside rock bands Metallica and Kings of Leon.

Mrs Bruni-Sarkozy tapped her foot and clapped as heavy metal monsters Metallica performed tracks from their number one album Death Magnetic.

But their music could not be further apart, with Mrs Bruni-Sarkozy's sultry, breathy chanson style evoking Parisian cafes, while Metallica normally soundtrack sweaty stadiums.

One edition of the show went out live on Tuesday, while another extended version was filmed to be broadcast on BBC Two on Friday.

Mrs Bruni-Sarkozy was given a warm reception, but the biggest cheer of the night went to Metallica, who closed the recorded show with their 1991 piledriver Enter Sandman.

Later... with Jools Holland is on BBC Two at 2335 BST on Friday.

[karkus30]

It was a bit of a weird show........as if Metallica had paid to get on it or something as it did not fit at all with any of the other music. There was a shot of James looking a bit moody as one of the bands were playing. Lars stood watching the other band and clapped at the end, while James just scowled into the audience.

I think they are winding the big Metallica machine as much as possible now they are about to be released from their contract with Warner's. I suppose they are likely to lose all marketing and advertising once that happens. Anyone know anything ??

[beastofrock]

i think some of the above comments are really well not meaning to be rude but stupid, i was lucky enough to see metallica play on sunday to 400 people at the radio theatre and also the following night at the 02 arena and to say they lack passion is a crime in itself

live they put everything into their performance and to say they are being 'forced' to release music is again just wrong, they all have enough money to buy themselves out of their contract if they wanted to but they dont because they love playing, just listen to metallica live at wembley stadium recorded last year at the end of 'the memory remains' where the crowd sings on for a good few minutes after the band stops james goes 'that is why we do what we do my friends, excellent for you'

[rcaudwell]

Am I the only one that thought James` voice sounded awful on Jools Holland? Sounded like he`d strained it big time and was really struggling. I found the whole performance a bit too "loose" for want of a better word, mistakes everywhere; I wonder if they were going for a "rehearsal" type sound but I`ve seen them live several times and they`re usually much better than that.
That said, liking the album a lot, got to be the best one since before "Load", and a definite grower.

[mjn]

Originally Posted by rcaudwell

Am I the only one that thought James` voice sounded awful on Jools Holland?

His voice went years ago mate.

[Matt_C]

As a huge Metallica fan, it worried me somewhat that I honestly felt like cringing during most, if not all, of that performance! I literally felt embarrassed for them, as it just wasn't right! They were out of tune, out of time, the mix on the vocals was horrible, it just looked awkward and I felt embarrassed for them!

I remember seeing them on JH so many years ago playing Enter Sandman and they destoryed the place..... But this just didn't work at all, part of it is the song (I think it's weak and poorly structured) but part of it is them, which really pains me to say!

[rcaudwell]

That sums it up very well; it was just "wrong". James clearly had some sort of voice problem, Kirk was all over the place (something I`ve never seen or heard before tbh, apart from the odd missed note) timing well out, Lars seemed to be playing oblivious to the rest of the band. Rob seemed to be the only one not struggling, although I think his antics don`t translate very well to such a small playing area. Just about to listen to the BBC mini concert they did on iplayer, really hope this isn`t a sign of things to come, I was planning on seeing them when the tour hits the UK, but wouldn`t want to watch them struggle like that for 2 hours.

[Matt_C]

I saw them last on the 2003 Madly In Anger With The World tour, and they were just SO on it.... Absolutely nailed everything - I've never seen them play so tight and so clean, and people I know that went to both the BBC mini concert and the o2 gig the next day said they were just as good then, so I'm hoping the JH thing was a "one off"

I'll defintely be going to see them when they come over here again plugging the DM record, just because it might be one of the last chances you get to see them on tour!

[Hungrystu]

I missed this sadly, but I'll try and remember to catch the show tomorrow night...

I remember when they released "The Memory Remains" and appeared on TFI Friday with Marianne Faithfull. She sang her entire part out of tune and, at the end, out of time

Big hopes for the new album though, still not heard anything from it yet!!!

[karkus30]

I really disliked that song they played, it was just a complete mess IMO. As has been said, the voice has gone and the playing was very poor. I did give them the benefit because you never know what the setup is in the JH live studio and some other bands have sounded pretty naff.

I tend to think that if you want that sort of musical complexity done correctly, then Dream Theater is a far better bet. Dig out a copy of 'Train of Thought' and listen to DT, out metallica, Metallica. Even bands like Porcupine Tree are better (and I'm not a big fan of their music).

Metallica really set some standards with MOP, RTL and the black album (I dont have JFA because of the awful production, so dont shoot me down for not mentioning it). When I saw them live a few years ago they were still rocking, although they did not show the fierce showmanship that was evident in the Cunning Stunts DVD. In comparison to those days they suck.

Its evident by my Avatar that I am a fan so have nothing to gain by slagging off a band that has released some of my favourite music over the years, but lately

[Matt_C]

karkus30 - took the words right out of my mouth, I said a very similar thing on another forum I use;

Originally Posted by Matt_C, on another forum...

...and some of the new record is a little too "wannabe prog" for me, which is mad as I love prog, like Porcupine Tree, Opeth, Pink Floyd (RIP Rick Wright!), Dream Theater etc, but it's not something I associate with Metallica all that much. Justice was a fairly prog record, and that album worked very VERY well as it was heavily wrapped up in a full on metal jacket... The "Black album" also perfectly suited them and their style as they slowed it down and simplified it somewhat which only made it heavier I'm just not so sure this one is....

If this IS their final record, then it's an excellent swansong, but if it isn't, who knows where it might end up........

[deadtotheworld]

karkus30 - I completely agree with everything you just said. I hate slating Metallica because I love them, but just seem a bit cringy these days, and just looked like a bunch of tuneless dumbass metalheads - that made me think that I was glad I didnt get any non-metallica fan friends to watch this, to prove that they are amazing live!
After seeing Dream Theater live last year, then flying to Florida to see them this year - I totally agree that they are a better band to listen to and watch these days... they make Metallica sound really bland. Maybe its just time I give up on Metallica???

[rcaudwell]

My only experience of Dream Theater is a bootleg I used to have of them playing metallica songs live Will have to check them out.
Perhaps too much is being read into this, I guess it was only one performance of one song on a TV show, and now I`ve had chance to listen to the BBC show it was much better. However the JH performance really was spectacularly bad; either something had gone on backstage, something was very wrong with the equipment (no excuse I know) or they`d just had enough (they all looked like they`d rather be somewhere else).

[karkus30]

Originally Posted by rcaudwell

My only experience of Dream Theater is a bootleg I used to have of them playing metallica songs live Will have to check them out.
Perhaps too much is being read into this, I guess it was only one performance of one song on a TV show, and now I`ve had chance to listen to the BBC show it was much better. However the JH performance really was spectacularly bad; either something had gone on backstage, something was very wrong with the equipment (no excuse I know) or they`d just had enough (they all looked like they`d rather be somewhere else).

Definitely get 'Train of Thought' it's the DT fans least loved album, but my favourite. Very heavy and riff laden (if the first track isn't a Metallica tribute I dont know what comes close). Best fun is playing along to Stream of Consciousness (well as much as I can manage ) on drums. Its described as 'stripped down' DT.

[Matt_C]

Originally Posted by karkus30

Best fun is playing along to Stream of Consciousness (well as much as I can manage ) on drums. Its described as 'stripped down' DT.

Another drummer eh? I also love playing along to DT stuff, and SoC is one of the more challenging ones I like to have a go at! How long you been at it? I've been playing now for about 13-14years, tho not played live for a long time.... Think probably my fave DT songs to play along to are "Hells Kitchen" (no, nothing to do with Gordon Ramsey!) and As I Am - great fun to play!

ToT is a great album, I wouldn't say it was my least fave, but it's also not be most fave album either... I like it as, like a lot of their stuff, there's a "concept" to it - it's there just to be a hard n heavy "metal" album. They kinda do this with records - creat very proggy albums, very metal albums, then the last to have been pretty wide all rounders (I am addicted to Systematic Chaos, and was addicted to Octavarium for a LONG time). The ToT stuff tho is AMAZING live - my friend and I saw them in London last year and they were truly superb!

I can't wait to see Metallica on the next tour, hopefully soon, and I just hope they are on form. Like I said, I last saw them on the Anger tour in 2003 and they were really really good, but very "straight to the point, no messing around" attitude to their playing, not as loose and "funny" as they were back in the day - difference between being sober and not I think

[deadtotheworld]

Seen Metallica 7 times, but the last time was wembley last year, and the power that Rob brings is amazing, I think thats why Im so dissapointed with Death Magnetic, as although he has had some input, he doesnt seem to have brought anything different to the table.

[Matt_C]

Just for info - the show is repeated tomorrow night for any that missed it

[Calpolaholic]

Originally Posted by rcaudwell

Am I the only one that thought James` voice sounded awful on Jools Holland? Sounded like he`d strained it big time and was really struggling. I found the whole performance a bit too "loose" for want of a better word, mistakes everywhere; I wonder if they were going for a "rehearsal" type sound but I`ve seen them live several times and they`re usually much better than that.
That said, liking the album a lot, got to be the best one since before "Load", and a definite grower.

Nah you are right - he really struggled to stay in tune. I am sure the sound was turned right down to make it more acceptable to the mainstream audience of Jools. I also suspect that the choice of track was dictated. It was more of a jam than a performance. They are a fantastic live band - They were 20 years ago when i first saw them and still are now - the Reading stuff looked pretty good from last month. To be honest I dont know why they went on a show with that knob Holland - sorry Jules I think you are creepy!