Metallica on Jools Holland Sept 16th

[Artie Fufkin]

I think on my other Metallica thread soundstory alluded to this but it's now confirmed that along with Kings of Leon and Paul McCartney, Metallica will feature on Jool's BBC show on Sept 16th.

[TBH, I've gone right off them and probably won't be watching. Both musically and personally I find them stale and arrogant.]

[karkus30]

Originally Posted by Artie Fufkin

I think on my other Metallica thread soundstory alluded to this but it's now confirmed that along with Kings of Leon and Paul McCartney, Metallica will feature on Jool's BBC show on Sept 16th.

[TBH, I've gone right off them and probably won't be watching. Both musically and personally I find them stale and arrogant.]

I watched that documentary the other night It's still really well done, but there is absolutely zero passion in their playing except for Trujillo. It just looks light the fires have died. There really isn't anything to discuss around their music.....stale definitely. Get the Cancer Bats album instead, might not be quite as melodic, but you can tell they are right up for tearing the heads off the crowd.....fantastic.

[aphex232]

excellent i will be watching.

and i dont agree with the statement that theyve lost passion in their music, if so why would they do it, they definately dont need the money. and why would they leave their families behind if they didnt enjoy the music? i agree that St.Anger was on the whole poor and it was more of a "keep the band together" sort of album. but some of the new material iv heard on the net has rekindled what they once created.

[karkus30]

Originally Posted by aphex232

excellent i will be watching.

and i dont agree with the statement that theyve lost passion in their music, if so why would they do it, they definately dont need the money. and why would they leave their families behind if they didnt enjoy the music? i agree that St.Anger was on the whole poor and it was more of a "keep the band together" sort of album. but some of the new material iv heard on the net has rekindled what they once created.

Thats a very naive statement. Metallica are in business to make money, they have a management structure through Q prime and a contract at Warner records since 1984 which ends shortly. This all takes money to run and everyone, including shareholders of Warner Music take a nice big slice.

Metallica are simply a product of a great big machine and they are one of the beneficiaries. They started the band to make money and they go out on the road to make money. They have lawyers that make sure they keep that money. You dont see them doing albums for free, its not for the pure love of it.

Best of luck to them in this. I admire what they have achieved and the professionalism that they have achieved it with. But when you are young, competitive, idealistic, full of ideas, gagging for girls and money, then the drive to produce something fantastic is tremendous. Later on, that need is less, its more about your lifestyle and family and looking after them than the music.......thats what I hear in their music these days. Dad Rock.

[deadtotheworld]

Wait till you hear the new album.... its not great. In fact its really mediocre, very uninspiring and uninspired. Total mishmash of riffs. I totally agree with karkus30 (15 years ago I would have argued with you!) Plus from what I have read, Rick Rubin didnt sound that interested either!

[aphex232]

Originally Posted by karkus30

Thats a very naive statement. Metallica are in business to make money, they have a management structure through Q prime and a contract at Warner records since 1984 which ends shortly. This all takes money to run and everyone, including shareholders of Warner Music take a nice big slice.

Metallica are simply a product of a great big machine and they are one of the beneficiaries. They started the band to make money and they go out on the road to make money. They have lawyers that make sure they keep that money. You dont see them doing albums for free, its not for the pure love of it.

Best of luck to them in this. I admire what they have achieved and the professionalism that they have achieved it with. But when you are young, competitive, idealistic, full of ideas, gagging for girls and money, then the drive to produce something fantastic is tremendous. Later on, that need is less, its more about your lifestyle and family and looking after them than the music.......thats what I hear in their music these days. Dad Rock.

so basically you are saying that WB and Q-prime are forcing metallica to make music because they are contractually obliged to do so?

[wormvortex]

All labels do. I read an Interview with Tom from Slayer and he said that after they release their next album (which is the final on their contract) he can't see slayer being around for much longer.

Loads of bands get forced into making albums unless they can buy their own way out of their contracts. Fear Factory were forced to release their last album in a short space of time and the result was an album the band and a lot of fans hated.

[karkus30]

Originally Posted by aphex232

so basically you are saying that WB and Q-prime are forcing metallica to make music because they are contractually obliged to do so?

Its funny that you say 'forcing'. They agreed to work with warner on a contractual basis and would have been given an upfront fee as part of the package. There are a number of high profile cases that you can refer to, two of them being Madonna and Prince.

Metallica has a contract with Warner. No one knows the details but it is a fair bet that they have to produce a set number of albums, songs or albums per couple of years. The rights of distribution of the work would normally be held by Warner, while the intellectual rights to the songs would be held by the band.

Q-Prime is their management, those are the guys that essentially manage the business. Lars and James are simply part of the product package and also the workforce. Q-prime protect the interests of all those involved but the obvious priority is Lars and Hetfield.

[aphex232]

hmmm well its made me think thats for sure, damn shame if that is the case

[mjn]

Originally Posted by wormvortex

Loads of bands get forced into making albums unless they can buy their own way out of their contracts. Fear Factory were forced to release their last album in a short space of time and the result was an album the band and a lot of fans hated.

motley Crue managed to get out their contract a few years ago, but how they did it, is top secret.

[krish]

Reminder for tonight!

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00dm7l5 (flash stream / iPlayer download available via this link after the show airs)

Later Live...with Jools Holland, Series 33, Episode 1

Godfathers of rock Metallica visit the studio for the first time in 12 years with tracks from their new album Death Magnetic. Also in the studio are Tennessee foursome Kings of Leon, who showcase tracks from their upcoming fourth album Only By The Night.

And making her UK TV debut, Italian born, French-bred singer-songwriter and now First Lady of France, Carla Bruni performs a song or two from her recently released third album, Comme Si De Rien N'était.

If that isn't enough, popstar in the making VV Brown makes an appearance, and New Jersey-born Nicole Atkins makes her British television debut, and Paul McCartney and Youth present a collaboration.

Broadcasts:
16 Sep 2008, 22:00, BBC Two
16 Sep 2008, 22:00, BBC HD

www.bbc.co.uk/later

[krish]

Don't forget the full 60 minute Later show is on this Friday at 11.35pm on BBC2 (and 11.30pm, Saturday on BBC HD)
- www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00dm7q3

... and followed by a repeat of the Metallica Culture Show Special at 12.35am
- www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00db3fc

[krish]

Sandman on Friday's full show ...

Mrs Sarkozy meets Metallica on TV
- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7619923.stm

Singer Carla Bruni, the wife of French President Nicolas Sarkozy, has given a rare performance, appearing alongside rock bands Metallica and Kings of Leon.

Mrs Bruni-Sarkozy tapped her foot and clapped as heavy metal monsters Metallica performed tracks from their number one album Death Magnetic.

But their music could not be further apart, with Mrs Bruni-Sarkozy's sultry, breathy chanson style evoking Parisian cafes, while Metallica normally soundtrack sweaty stadiums.

One edition of the show went out live on Tuesday, while another extended version was filmed to be broadcast on BBC Two on Friday.

Mrs Bruni-Sarkozy was given a warm reception, but the biggest cheer of the night went to Metallica, who closed the recorded show with their 1991 piledriver Enter Sandman.

Later... with Jools Holland is on BBC Two at 2335 BST on Friday.

[karkus30]

It was a bit of a weird show........as if Metallica had paid to get on it or something as it did not fit at all with any of the other music. There was a shot of James looking a bit moody as one of the bands were playing. Lars stood watching the other band and clapped at the end, while James just scowled into the audience.

I think they are winding the big Metallica machine as much as possible now they are about to be released from their contract with Warner's. I suppose they are likely to lose all marketing and advertising once that happens. Anyone know anything ??

[beastofrock]

i think some of the above comments are really well not meaning to be rude but stupid, i was lucky enough to see metallica play on sunday to 400 people at the radio theatre and also the following night at the 02 arena and to say they lack passion is a crime in itself

live they put everything into their performance and to say they are being 'forced' to release music is again just wrong, they all have enough money to buy themselves out of their contract if they wanted to but they dont because they love playing, just listen to metallica live at wembley stadium recorded last year at the end of 'the memory remains' where the crowd sings on for a good few minutes after the band stops james goes 'that is why we do what we do my friends, excellent for you'