[BMAN07]

just wondering if people do actually like the old jazz music ( nat king cole - perry como - frank sinatra etc )
if so would you like it to come back again?

or do you prefer electronic sounds.....

[Mr Incredible]

When I hear improvised Jazz I can't help but think back to the Morecambe and Wise sketch in which Andre Previn tried to conduct Eric on piano for the Grieg's Piano Concerto.

"I'm playing all the right notes but not necessarily in the right order".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dG0V...eature=related

[Ed Selley]

Some Jazz is very good. I would not be without a copy of Bitches Brew and I've recently been enjoying an album by The Seatbelts.

Some Jazz (especially "Dinner Jazz") is wasp in a jar noise and is marginally more pleasant that listening to a dentists drill.

[Westindieman]

I love Jazz. I attended 2 days (last 2 weeks) of the Manchester jazz festival that happens every year. There is quite a mixture of Jazz and I found a new one. A liverpool band last week called The Wizards of Twiddley and they mix jazz with heavy and punk. Bought the CD and love it. Not really into big band but I can listen to almost anthing live.

[johntheexpat]

I would highly recommend 'Saint-Germain des Pres Cafe 1,2,3 and 4' as the covers say, the finest nu-jazz compilation.

Haven't got 5,6,7,8, or 9. Yet.

[unique]

it depends what you mean by old jazz. what is old? i'd say 20 years was pretty old, so thats 1988 backwards. or do you mean 50's jazz, so bop and going backwards, or the old jazz vocalist crooners like sinatra?

personally i'm not a fan of bop of the preeceding jazz, but i like the modular styles, although i'm more a fan of the fusion from the late 60s to mid 70s. things get a bit craptastic and disco ish towards the end of the 70s (although i do like proper disco) and then the 80s just killed jazz, although tutu was a great miles davis album and some of herbies stuff was okay, but just not a patch on the mid 70s

i like some progressive 70s jazz too, like pharoah saunders and alice coltrane, but there are some very hard to listen to works such as interstellar space by john coltrane and rasheid ali, which is only drums and saxophone, in what sounds like a dirty aural fight to show who can sound the worst. even some of miles greatest works are very hard listening to begin with. when i was first played on the corner by a drummer friend i thought it was absolute garbage, but it was simply that 30 years or so previously, miles was streets ahead of everyone else, and he didn't really care if he lost his old fans on the way, he preferred playing to new audiences into new styles

[Beobloke]

Jazz? It's Niiiice.

Sorry, someone had to........

[wormvortex]

I love jazz but don't really know how to get into it. Makes a nice change from Death Metal though

[drunkenmaster]

I like most Jazz and would welcome a big revival into the mainstream, hopefully enabling all media styles to be a less regressive towards the Jazz genres. may it be concerts, music availability, radio and tv.

[Pecker]

I wish speech could go back to how it was 'back in the old days', or 'back in my day'.

Where the did '...back in the day' come from?



Back on topic - I think all music goes through phases. The jazz we have on record/CD hasn't disappeared, and I'll be listening to Kind of Blue and A Love Supreme probably until I die (or go deaf). See the link to my blog in my sig.

If anyone comes up with some new jazz that's as good, then I'll give that a listen, too.



Steve W

[The Dude]

Charlie Mingus - Tijuana Moods


'A colloquial dream' is the best 'drunk and alone' tune ever written.

'Isabels table dance' is possibly the best 'drunk and not alone' tune ever written.



I tend to like all the well known classic jazz acts, I don't like the modern stuff too much, with the exception of Saint-Germain and a couple of others I can't recall just now.

[brian s]

Originally Posted by BMAN07

just wondering if people do actually like the old jazz music ( nat king cole - perry como - frank sinatra etc )
if so would you like it to come back again?

or do you prefer electronic sounds.....

I love jazz but not the names you've mentioned. Did Como do jazz? There's little vocal jazz I like. Annette Peacock and Billy Jenkins come to mind for that.

By the way why is this in general chat?

Regards
Bri

[loz]

Originally Posted by BMAN07

just wondering if people do actually like the old jazz music ( nat king cole - perry como - frank sinatra etc )

I wouldn't call those artists jazz, but swing.

Originally Posted by BMAN07

just wondering if people do actually like the old jazz music ( nat king cole - perry como - frank sinatra etc )
if so would you like it to come back again?

or do you prefer electronic sounds.....

I wouldn't associate those artists with Jazz. I don't see the connection.

Originally Posted by loz

I wouldn't call those artists jazz, but swing.

Certainly not swing.

[brian s]

Originally Posted by tunococ

I wouldn't associate those artists with Jazz. I don't see the connection.

Cole was a pretty good jazz pianist. I bought my parents a DVD of some of his US TV shows. In amongest the dross there was some very nice jazz.




Nathaniel Adams Coles (March 17, 1919 – February 15, 1965), known professionally as Nat King Cole, was a popular American jazz singer-songwriter and pianist.

Cole first came to prominence as a leading jazz pianist, then switched his emphasis to singing, becoming one of the most popular and best known vocalists of all time

Los Angeles and the King Cole Trio
Nat Cole and three other musicians formed the "King Cole Swingers" in Long Beach and played in a number of local bars before getting a gig on the Long Beach Pike for US$90 per week.

Nat married a dancer Megan Robinson, who was also with Shuffle Along, and moved to Los Angeles where he formed the Nat King Cole Trio. The trio consisted of Nat on piano, Oscar Moore on guitar, and Wesley Prince on double bass. The trio played in Los Angeles throughout the late 1930s and recorded many radio transcriptions. Nat's role was that of piano player and leader of the combo.

It is a common misconception that Nat Cole's singing career did not start until a drunken barroom patron demanded that he sing "Sweet Lorraine". In fact, Nat Cole has gone on record as saying that the fabricated story "sounded good, so I just let it ride." In fact Nat Cole frequently sang in between instrumental numbers. Noticing that people started to request more vocal numbers, he obliged. Yet, the story of the insistent customer is not without merit. There was such a customer who did request a certain song one night, but a song that Nat did not know. Instead he sang "Sweet Lorraine". The trio was tipped 15 cents for the performance, a nickel apiece (Nat King Cole: An Intimate Biography, Maria Cole with Louie Robinson, 1971).

During World War II, Wesley Prince left the group and Cole replaced him with Johnny Miller. Miller would later be replaced by Charlie Harris in the 1950s. The King Cole Trio signed with the fledgling Capitol Records in 1943 and Cole stayed with the recording company for the rest of his career. Revenues from Cole's record sales fueled much of Capitol Records' success during this period, and are believed to have played a significant role in financing the distinctive Capitol Records building on Hollywood and Vine, in Los Angeles. Completed in 1956, it was the world's first circular office building and became known as "the house that Nat built."

Cole was considered a leading jazz pianist, appearing, for example, in the first Jazz at the Philharmonic concerts (credited on the Mercury Record labels as "Shorty Nadine," apparently derived from the name of his wife at the time). His revolutionary lineup of piano, guitar and bass in the time of the big bands became a popular set up for a jazz trio. It was emulated by many musicians, among them Art Tatum, Erroll Garner, Oscar Peterson, Ahmad Jamal, Tommy Flanagan and blues pianists Charles Brown and Ray Charles. He also performed as a pianist on sessions with Lester Young, Red Callender, and Lionel Hampton. The Page Cavanaugh Trio with the same set up as Cole came out of the chute about the same time, at the end of the war. It's still a toss up as to who was first, though generally agreed the credit goes to Nat Cole.

Cheers
Bri

[johntheexpat]

The of course there was always the Beiderbecke trilogy on TV in the 80's
Wonderful script, acting and then there was the soundtrack. They don't make 'em like that any more.

[BMAN07]

Thats exactly my point, why dont they create stuff like that anymore.
Like my generation its all about DnB and RnB which is all over the top.. well DnB ( Drum and Bass ) is..
If we actually brought up our children ( im 18 but just speaking for the future) with Swing, vocalist Jazz we would see them take a different way life..a more peaceful road..yes you will always have a nob head running along causing havok but at least there would be few of them....
To me the music that we listen to reflects the way we act in life. In many ways you could say im having a go at DnB and RnB.

[Dave Weystoner]

Originally Posted by BMAN07

Thats exactly my point, why dont they create stuff like that anymore.
Like my generation its all about DnB and RnB which is all over the top.. well DnB ( Drum and Bass ) is..
If we actually brought up our children ( im 18 but just speaking for the future) with Swing, vocalist Jazz we would see them take a different way life..a more peaceful road..yes you will always have a nob head running along causing havok but at least there would be few of them....
To me the music that we listen to reflects the way we act in life. In many ways you could say im having a go at DnB and RnB.

Remembering the way I listened to music when I was in my formative years, and seeing younger generations, including my son, go through that same period in their musical lives, I think we have a much harder drive towards energy, power etc - any music of its era that gives you an emotional rush - when we are young. For me it was Hendrix and Zep, even though I also enjoyed Debussy and Nelson Riddle. For a previous generation it would have been Little Richard and Elvis. For my son it's hip-hop and the Chilli Peppers. I guess it's a hormonal thing. Bebop and modal jazz was popular at the time for the same reason - I can imagine an ageing Bessie Smith fan of the time complaining of modern music to the younger bebop lovers.

For that reason I don't think feeding your children a diet of Swing, much as they will enjoy it, will stop them listening to Gangsta Rap.

Dave

[Steven]

As I upgraded my headphone collection I was exploring new genres (more to test them than anything) but got into a lot of stuff

My very first jazz CD was Kind of Blue (yeah predictable)

[James Baker]

Jazz is Rubbish - Thanks

[brian s]

Originally Posted by Baldybouncer

Jazz is Rubbish - Thanks

That's what I like to see. A well cosidered and argued opinion.


Bri

[the_pauley]

Originally Posted by tunococ

I wouldn't associate those artists with Jazz. I don't see the connection.

Agreed. Apart from Nat King Cole's early recordings with his trio, these are not three names that come to mind when one is discussing jazz (especially Perry Como ), and given that he has lumped Cole in with Como and Sinatra, it's safe to assume it's Cole the pop vocalist we're meant to be considering.

I wonder then does the original poster want to discuss this type of music (classic popular vocalists) as opposed to jazz?

[the_pauley]

Originally Posted by LFC_SL

My very first jazz CD was Kind of Blue (yeah predictable)

Yes, but essential (and laudable) nonetheless.

[Dave Weystoner]

Originally Posted by Baldybouncer

Jazz is Rubbish - Thanks

Existentialist with a hint of nihilism: absolutely on the money for the European jazz tradition.

Dave

[Dave Weystoner]

My very first jazz CD was Kind of Blue (yeah predictable)[/QUOTE]

Still love it after 15 years of listening (OK so I was late getting there). To my shame I've never quite worked out when Coltrane is playing and when Adderley is.

To get back to the OP's question, I seem to love and hate jazz from each era in pretty equal measure - apart from trad/dixie/New Orleans, which I can't stand at any price. It's difficult for me not to like the sheer exuberance and musicality of big band, or the smoky night club feel of a Bill Evans, but I also love Chick Corea and some of the recent latin players such as Danilo Perez or off the wall stuff like Soweto Kinch. It's all about what tugs at the heart.

Dave

[brian s]

Originally Posted by Dave Weystoner

My very first jazz CD was Kind of Blue (yeah predictable)

Still love it after 15 years of listening (OK so I was late getting there). To my shame I've never quite worked out when Coltrane is playing and when Adderley is.

Dave[/QUOTE]

Try listening to their own albums. That should help you nail who's who. Off the top of my head try Coltrane's Blue Train and Cannonball Adderley's Somethin' Else.

Regards
Bri

[Dave Weystoner]

Thanks Bri. On Kind of Blue one of them is hard and choppy with little or no vibrato, the other smoother with more vibrato. I have Blue Train, and I think that the smooth/vibrato one is Coltrane, but I'm far from convinced.

Whatever, it's still great music in the round.

Dave

[brian s]

Originally Posted by Dave Weystoner

Thanks Bri. On Kind of Blue one of them is hard and choppy with little or no vibrato, the other smoother with more vibrato. I have Blue Train, and I think that the smooth/vibrato one is Coltrane, but I'm far from convinced.

Whatever, it's still great music in the round.

Dave

Yeah they're both great albums. I think you might well like Somethin' Else as well. The link below allows you to sample some of the numbers. I haven't tried it myself so I don't know what the quality's like or how much they let you listen to.

http://www.amazon.com/Somethin-Else-.../dp/B00000I41J


Best wishes
Bri

[iainoco]

I too bought Kind Of Blue a number of years ago because as a music fan I felt I needed to own it. I've really enjoyed it over the years along with In A Silent Way.

I've tried to expand my jazz but have not ventured much further than David Axelrod (what a genius), Cannonball Adderly and some Blue Note collections.

I've heard that Bitches Brew is quite obtuse and I've not been brave enough to venture into it's grasp. Any thoughts?