Iron Maiden go Spinal Tap

Alun · 18-12-2006, 9:57 AM

Went to the Iron Maiden gig last night at Newcastle Arena and it was rubbish

They have completely disappeared up their own jacksies.

(sort of quote) "Matter of life and Death is the greatest album we have released since number of the beast, and we'll be playing it in its entirity tonight"

Great if you like the new album (I found it hard work) or if you have nothing else to play (as if!!)

I went to say maiden belt out the classics like running free, the trooper. etc

What did they give? The new album front to back followed by fear of the dark and 2 minutes to midnight.
Very Poor

dannius · 18-12-2006, 10:00 AM

Maiden's only decent album in recent years was Brave New World. I have found every other release since Fear to be pretty sub par tbh.

Mind you, that goes for most rock/metal music lately. I'm just getting so bored of it all..........

**inzaman** · 18-12-2006, 10:04 AM

Thats a shame if they are not going to play some of their older songs in the future. I have only seen them twice, last time was three years ago this month and both times they were excellent.

Alun · 18-12-2006, 10:08 AM

Have to agree with you there dannius...

Dance of Death was very below par, but the tour that went with it was ace.

I first saw Maiden almost 20 years ago @ Whitley Bay Ice Rink (7th tour of a 7th Tour) and have seen them a few times inbetween and each time they never failed to impress.

Worst thing is, the lad I went with had never seen them before so was even more gutted

mjn · 18-12-2006, 11:09 AM

They're playing the whole album? All the tracks?

I hope not!

Alun · 18-12-2006, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mjn

They're playing the whole album? All the tracks?

I hope not!

Yip, start to finish...

Iron Maiden setlist:
Iron Maiden – Different World
Iron Maiden – These Colours Don't Run
Iron Maiden – Brighter Than A Thousand Suns
Iron Maiden – The Pilgrim
Iron Maiden – The Longest Day
Iron Maiden – Out Of The Shadows
Iron Maiden – The Reincarnation of Benjamin Breeg
Iron Maiden – For The Greater Good of God
Iron Maiden – Lord of Light
Iron Maiden – The Legacy
PlayIron Maiden – Fear of the Dark
Iron Maiden – Iron Maiden (Eddie appears on a tank)
Iron Maiden – Two Minutes to Midnight
Encore
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PlayIron Maiden – The Evil That Men Do (Eddie appears again)
Iron Maiden – Hallowed Be Thy Name

mjn · 18-12-2006, 12:54 PM

What a crap setlist....maybe they'll mix it up at Earls Court, since they're more than one date.

I hope i haven't wasted some cash!

mjn · 18-12-2006, 3:39 PM

Oh dear, i've just been checking out some of the reviews....and erm, well they all say the same, "Why the hell are they playing the album in full?"

Crowds have been booing, shouting abuse, etc etc.

overkill · 18-12-2006, 5:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dannius

Maiden's only decent album in recent years was Brave New World. I have found every other release since Fear to be pretty sub par tbh.

Mind you, that goes for most rock/metal music lately. I'm just getting so bored of it all..........

Read Karkus's review of Coheed et als album. Might perk you up a bit.

There is plenty of good stuff out there, but sadly a lot of naff as well. The stuff you see on Kerrang for example is very 'samey'.

Alun · 18-12-2006, 7:00 PM

check out this you tube vid

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fGo0rHO_dN0

apparently Bruce dont want to play classics.

Refused · 18-12-2006, 7:05 PM

They're back in 2008 for a summer tour with "all the 80's ****" (Bruce's words).
So I'm guessing it's going to be a sort of greatest hits tour.

karkus30 · 18-12-2006, 7:10 PM

All this about Iron Maiden.....going Spinal Tap......they always have been, once Brucey baby joined the throng and they did the whole Eddie thing on stage....perhaps impressive 20 years ago, although IMO the last album is not too shabby they will never be the same movers and shakers of the rock world anymore.......just too old !

Why they have to run through the gamut of golden oldies for the 'fans' is beyond me

The odd look back is fine or one or two absolute classic tracks, but they did not spend months putting together an album they think moves things on, to go back to doing all their old stuff.

signs · 18-12-2006, 8:02 PM

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Originally Posted by karkus30

:rotfl

Why they have to run through the gamut of golden oldies for the 'fans' is beyond me

The odd look back is fine or one or two absolute classic tracks, but they did not spend months putting together an album they think moves things on, to go back to doing all their old stuff.

i can see what your saying, but traditionally a band would play most of there back catalog and throw a few new ones in to test the water
I'm not that keen on iron maiden any way but i think this really off of them to do this to there fans

Jack-Deth · 18-12-2006, 8:44 PM

I have heard them play their back catalogue titles live many times, so I am really looking forward to seeing them on Friday. I think its great to hear some new music from them and to hear the new album which is great IMHO.

Personaly I think it is a brave choice as they probably expected a backlash from the greatest hits brigade. These fans mainly fall into two catagories. The fans that believe that everything post Powerslave is dross and the 15 year old kids that were not there the first time around.

eviljohn2 · 18-12-2006, 8:59 PM

Wasn't a good chunk of Spinal Tap based on Iron Maiden?

overkill · 18-12-2006, 9:28 PM

Tend to agree Karkus. When Floyd did the 'Wall tour' and played nothing but the 'Wall' no-one tore the house down. The opposite in fact. We were delirious!

The only thing I would say is that perhaps Maiden should have made it clear that it was their intention to play the new album and nothing much else before the tour.

Metalhead Pete · 19-12-2006, 12:41 AM

I saw them at Manchester.Agreed it was not the greatest Maiden gig ever (5th time I've seen them).But it was different.I'm not at all sorry I went and I don't think they have disappeared up there butts at all.In fact in some ways it was refreshingly different.However,if you didn't like or hadn't heard the new album you were in for a long night !!!.That said 'Fear Of The Dark' was the highlight of the set for me !!!!.

dc007 · 19-12-2006, 9:37 AM

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Originally Posted by eviljohn2

Wasn't a good chunk of Spinal Tap based on Iron Maiden?

I know some of it was based on the Black Sabbath 'Born Again' tour. Ian Gillan (the lead singer at the time) said they had a large model of Stonehenge on stage with a dwarf dressed up as the Devil scrambling around the stage...

signs · 19-12-2006, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by overkill

Tend to agree Karkus. When Floyd did the 'Wall tour' and played nothing but the 'Wall' no-one tore the house down. The opposite in fact. We were delirious!

The only thing I would say is that perhaps Maiden should have made it clear that it was their intention to play the new album and nothing much else before the tour.

Yes i agree if the band lets the fans know it's new material and that's it, fair enough , but if they don't tell the fans ,shame on them
as i said before it's usually the "job" of the gig to test the new material ,to gauge a reaction from the fans
i don't think it's right of iron maiden to say "this is the best thing we've done now listen for two hours
signs

krish · 20-12-2006, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Refused

They're back in 2008 for a summer tour with "all the 80's ****" (Bruce's words).
So I'm guessing it's going to be a sort of greatest hits tour.

As they did "The History of Iron Maiden Part 1: The Early Years" DVD and tour a few years ago, I'm sure this will coincide with "The History of Iron Maiden Part 2" DVD which should include a cleaned up remastered Live After Death and a lot of other mid to late 80s stuff (Donington '88 hopefully!)

krish · 20-12-2006, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by eviljohn2

Wasn't a good chunk of Spinal Tap based on Iron Maiden?

not really, as mentioned it was Born Again era Gillan in Sabbath, and I think a bit of Zeppelin. However Maiden did walk out of a screening thinking it had ripped the urine out of them

karkus30 · 20-12-2006, 8:25 AM

I always thought it was based partly on Judas Priest, but maybe that was just down to the design of the Spinal Tap Logo ? I think it represented all those rock bands that had 'an attitude'.

dc007 · 20-12-2006, 8:44 AM

Harry Shearer (bassist Derek Smalls in Tap) was interviewed in a lads mag recently, and he says he based the look of Derek Smalls on two men - Lemmy, and the bass player from Saxon (whose name I forget).

So, Tap was at the very least a smorgasborg of Sabbath, Motorhead, Saxon and Led Zep...

Any more ?!

overkill · 20-12-2006, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by dc007

Harry Shearer (bassist Derek Smalls in Tap) was interviewed in a lads mag recently, and he says he based the look of Derek Smalls on two men - Lemmy, and the bass player from Saxon (whose name I forget).

So, Tap was at the very least a smorgasborg of Sabbath, Motorhead, Saxon and Led Zep...

Any more ?!

Tap was a send up of the whole cliched heavy metal image. I remember Kiss being cited as being among their inspirations, as was Sabs, Zep, Priest and Quo. The Quo bit comes with the 60's single which sounded rather suspiciously close to their pictures of matchstick men era material, and the DJ's comment that they are now an awful heavy metal band! Or words to that effect..................

Spinal Tap worked because it was funny, it sent up what were hideous cliches, and it wasn't meant to be taken too seriously. Unfortunately though, for the media who cynically tried to use the film to, and I quote, "bring down the curtain on the dated beast that is heavy rock/metal for good", the fans enjoyed the 'silly stuff' as much as the music. So it far from put them off. Worse, for the media that is, the bands themselves were/are playing it for laughs, so bar Maiden the response to the film was positive.

Gene Simmons for example endorsed it, as did Robert Plant.

As both rock and metal if anything got stronger again after the film (it was like a purgative) seems the media failed in their hopes once more.

dc007 · 20-12-2006, 1:05 PM

I actually quite like some of the tracks on Tap's last album, 'Break Like The Wind'... Some good melodies, and the lyrics are hysterical in places

Must dig out the dvd and watch all the extra footage again... over an hours-worth of cut scenes in the spec ed

(Sorry for dragging this off topic)

krish · 20-12-2006, 2:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dc007

... Must dig out the dvd and watch all the extra footage again... over an hours-worth of cut scenes in the spec ed

...

... going further OT, you might be interested in the Christopher Guest collection - www.find-dvd.co.uk/D074264.htm (his post Tap mockumentaries, also with Shearer and McKean as well as Eugene Levy

)

dmpoole · 21-12-2006, 10:16 PM

Maiden always thought it was them who Spinal Tap were based on but a few years ago it came out that two of the writers had been to see Saxon and most of it was based on them. A few items were taken from other rock bands such as the Sabbath Stonehenge scene.

I first saw Iron Maiden supporting Judas Priest way back and Di'Anno was singing. Maiden walked on in Judas Priests gear and we were all thinking 'what a rip off'. I've never liked Maiden but i've seen them quite a few times after the Priest gig on NWOBHM tours and I really appreciate what they are doing on this tour with the setlist. Bands get so pee'd off playing the same crap over and over again. My own band has recently put about ten new songs in but people still ask for the same old crap like Whole Lotta Rosie etc.

Maiden also did something around 88 that made me respect them. They were at their peak and could sell out all the big stadiums but they decided to take a great loss and go and perform at smaller gigs. I was one of about 1200 people who got to see them at our local Victoria Hall and I could virtually touch Bruce.

Respect for your set list but I still don't like you.

Martian Phil · 22-12-2006, 1:50 AM

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Originally Posted by dmpoole

Maiden also did something around 88 that made me respect them. They were at their peak and could sell out all the big stadiums but they decided to take a great loss and go and perform at smaller gigs. I was one of about 1200 people who got to see them at our local Victoria Hall and I could virtually touch Bruce.

Respect for your set list but I still don't like you.

Was that the Somewhere in Time tour? I saw them at Victoria Hall, Hanley on that tour (86?) - their show practically filled the ground floor. If it hadn't been for the 2 balconies (ISTR?), there would have been no room for punters! Legendary night!

dmpoole · 22-12-2006, 6:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Martian Phil

Was that the Somewhere in Time tour? I saw them at Victoria Hall, Hanley on that tour (86?) - their show practically filled the ground floor. If it hadn't been for the 2 balconies (ISTR?), there would have been no room for punters! Legendary night!

Thats the one.
They added about 20 foot to the front of the stage which nearly made the stage come up to the facing balcony.

krish · 22-12-2006, 8:11 AM

Kind of on topic

....
Christmas Day, Channel 4, 10:00pm - 11:05pm
- Ricky Gervais Meets... Christopher Guest (aka Nigel Tufnel

). Gervais is also in Guest's new movie, For Your Consideration

Ricky Gervais Meets... Christopher Guest
"Ricky Gervais meets one of his comedy heroes, Christopher Guest. Gervais has openly acknowledged that The Office owes a huge debt to Guest's This Is Spinal Tap, which shaped the semi-documentary style of his breakthrough series. When the UK version of The Office first aired in America, Guest became a fan of Gervais's work and the two became firm friends."