Hello again

Was making a compilation cd today i call them complication cds.. with my cd hi writer going through the parents massive cd collection The only sure way i can do it is to make a theme for each cd. I chose female singers. What i do i study each disc find the year and do them in three's like three from 60's three from the 70's and so on. I have to have a system because i make to many futch ups.

Something i noticed i would love to share with each and every one of you is i found some Gladys Knight hidden away and to hear her original version of I heard it through the grapevine and Freindship train and "end of our road" and "walk in my shoes". By goodness me. what makes her and and Mavis staples and anne peebles, tina turner and millie jackson so great to name a few others i equaly respect. So great... is they put 100%.into it.. dose any one else agree or feel this way too please?

Dose anyone think this is purely a black thing to give it 100%. When these ladys sing i have tears in my eyes helping them through even with the upbeat stuff thats tears of appriciation.

I was wondering these people really enjoy singing and i it rubs of on you. Do you think music. would be better still if everyone had the same enthusiam.

To hear Mavis staples sing melody cool on the prince cd and the wonderouse slow train on best of the staples singers, gladys knight energy singing the up beat "end of our road" , and to hear the pips answering her back in midnight train to georgia. I read that was done in one take you know. Wonderful wonderful stuff.. huge kisses to all these wonderful singers. and the wonderful ann peebles singing "Ive been there before" From straight from the heart and those horns o'hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[shahedz]

nope , seeing as Dusty Springfield is on par if not better than some of the artists you have mentioned. Laura Nyro was equally fantastic too. Stevie Nicks from Fleetwood Mac.

[Duncan G]

ooh, she got soul

[Garrett]

I don’t believe it not 10 minutes before you posted Lisa I had Gladys Knights Greatest Hits in my hands, although I have quite a collection of her LP’s in my record collection, my favorite of heres is If I Was Your Woman. I was lucky to see her in concert .

Dusty was more or less a white soul singer, I once had a record What’s It Gonna Be and covered the label and gave it to an ardent Northern Soul fan and he thought it was a black singer and said it was soul. I class her has England’s finest popular singer ever,

If you want to as an other lady from this side of the pond you can add Shirley Bassey from Tiger Bay who can belt a song out with the rest of them albeit of an other generatons material.

[unique]

a lot of the people you mentioned grew up going to gospel church where everyone sings thier heart out. thats where aretha and the staples voices came from. it's prettymuch a predominantly black patronage in america. in predominantly white churches the singing is reserved, and they certainly don't encourange dancing and clapping

you should also checkout some early chaka btw

[krish]

Originally Posted by sean5302

...To listen to "We have all the time in the world" (Nat King Cole?) used to give me goose bumps...

you mean Louis Armstrong

- from the end credits of On Her Majesty's Secret Service

[Ethics Gradient]

Originally Posted by sean5302

I really miss all the passionate, high power music from the 70s (I think it was then).

Phil Spector and the wall of sound. Just mesmerising.

To listen to "We have all the time in the world" (Nat King Cole?) used to give me goose bumps.

Likewise the Four Tops. "Simple Game" was simply superb.

Everything just seems plastic, these days, by comparison.

Its because everything is so comercialised now, that in general, we are not exposed to that majority of alternative music that still remains 'non plastic'. You have to make the specific effort or remain drowned in a sea of mediocre drivel.

[Jammyb]

Probably 80% or so of the music I own you could call 'music of black origin' and most female artists in there are either black or sing in the soul kind of style.

I love singers with gravely voices, Tom Waits and stuff, most female artists don't have that, which is why Nina Simone is so amazing.

I've often wondered if the lack of female artists that I like makes me slightly misogynist, or if a lot of it isn't very good or just not my thing.

PJ Harvey being one exception. Breeders, Distillers and a couple of other people of that type of music.

I started a thread on another forum a while back posing the question 'do bands get worse, the more female members they have' after going to a gig where there were 3 support bands that were mostly female and mostly awful. The answer seems to be yes. There are some amazing bands with one female member, a few with 2, not many with more that are any good.

I await the avalanche of female only bands.

[krish]

Originally Posted by sean5302

Who was it that sang Old Man Reeber? The same Satchmo?

I'm not good with names. Ask me for a drunken Scotsman and I might say Charles Kennedy, Charles Campbell, who knows?

Old Man River? - William Warfield, Paul Robeson, and possibly Satchmo at some point
- Charles Cameron, too

[krish]

Originally Posted by Jammyb

I started a thread on another forum a while back posing the question 'do bands get worse, the more female members they have' after going to a gig where there were 3 support bands that were mostly female and mostly awful. The answer seems to be yes. There are some amazing bands with one female member, a few with 2, not many with more that are any good.

I await the avalanche of female only bands.

Elastica, L7, All Saints, TLC weren' too bad

on the other hand... Coors, Nolans, et al...

[Jammyb]

Originally Posted by krish72

Elastica, L7, All Saints, TLC weren' too bad

on the other hand... Coors, Nolans, et al...

Yeah elastica are another good band with more than 2. I don't really know L7.

Manufactured girl bands don't count I'm afraid as the record companies bring them together and then they stil tear themselves apart.

Talented women generally don't seem to work well with other talented women.

Big list off all female bands, just look at some of the names...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_all-women_bands

[Garrett]

Originally Posted by sean5302

I really miss all the passionate, high power music from the 70s (I think it was then).

Phil Spector and the wall of sound. Just mesmerising.

To listen to "We have all the time in the world" (Nat King Cole?) used to give me goose bumps.

Likewise the Four Tops. "Simple Game" was simply superb.

Phil Spector can be classed as 60's stuff with hit for groups like The Ronnetts, The Crystals, etc including the biggy River Deep Mountain High with Ike and Tina Turner.

The 70's was probably the last best decade of music as it had a lot of groups that started out in the 60's even the 50's. Also there was a lot of people with talent allowed to write their own material. And although there was manufactured groups then nothing like what happened in future decades.
I personally thought Stock, Atckin and Waterman (what ever), was one of the worst things to hit the UK record market.

If you like The Four Tops Simple Game try Do What You Gotta Do both I cannot believe are on my anthology album of them yet have Climb Every Mountain on it.

Oh Nat King Cole although you got it wrong he has to be one, if not the one of the warmest voices ever. there never be an other like him.

PS going to move this to the music section later on.

[Nick_UK]

Originally Posted by sean5302

I really miss all the passionate, high power music from the 70s (I think it was then).

Phil Spector and the wall of sound. Just mesmerising.

To listen to "We have all the time in the world" (Nat King Cole?) used to give me goose bumps.

Likewise the Four Tops. "Simple Game" was simply superb.

Everything just seems plastic, these days, by comparison.

Maybe because in those days there were no synthesisers, so you heard real musical instruments and no forced overstated bass ?

[Garrett]

Moved from General Chat.

you should also checkout some early chaka btw[/QUOTE]

huge thanks to all what some responce some interesting points.. hope some more write too.

unique!!!! The only early chaka i heard is something called once you get started which i do like but not so keen on her after rufus life I (Gee clever of me to remember Rufus wow)

not... doing my normal and going of on one and on to other subjects lol Staying firmly on the plot.. I was in ASDA..... and theres this new double cd for fathers day its a double with a red cover and its slipped my mind what the title is is it "cool" and has loads of funky music .. it was playing over the speakers there was a track playing sounded wonderful! I had a little boogies and had to ask who it was! it was lynn collins and the jbs, looked her up in amazon to expensive to buy. But the bonus is i can let you all hear what it sounded like i love this band james browns jb's (King heroin instumental is the one still dose it for me.) But would love it if someone else loved this too.

ready roll on the drums .... http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers...bo_Starks.html
Hit the link to play the lynn collins play it loud honest if your a dancer your be up out your seat.

Wow the moderator there who was playing the Gladys knight.. is that LP you were fondling LOL pre buddah days dad asked.. whats the big track

Dont i go on sorry lads

pew...

[unique]

Originally Posted by lisa burrell

you should also checkout some early chaka btw
huge thanks to all what some responce some interesting points.. hope some more write too.

unique!!!! The only early chaka i heard is something called once you get started which i do like but not so keen on her after rufus life I (Gee clever of me to remember Rufus wow)

not... doing my normal and going of on one and on to other subjects lol Staying firmly on the plot.. I was in ASDA..... and theres this new double cd for fathers day its a double with a red cover and its slipped my mind what the title is is it "cool" and has loads of funky music .. it was playing over the speakers there was a track playing sounded wonderful! I had a little boogies and had to ask who it was! it was lynn collins and the jbs, looked her up in amazon to expensive to buy. But the bonus is i can let you all hear what it sounded like i love this band james browns jb's (King heroin instumental is the one still dose it for me.) But would love it if someone else loved this too.

ready roll on the drums .... http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers...bo_Starks.html
Hit the link to play the lynn collins play it loud honest if your a dancer your be up out your seat.

Wow the moderator there who was playing the Gladys knight.. is that LP you were fondling LOL pre buddah days dad asked.. whats the big track

Dont i go on sorry lads

pew...

chaka's stuff with rufus was great, but not all the later solo stuff was as good. theres a really good budget compilation on rhino or something that has the best of the rufus stuff, like sweet thing, and you've got the love with george benson, etc. she also did an album called "come 2 my house" with prince, which wasn't bad, and mavis did 2 albums for prince's label, between both albums theres enough prince material to fill 1 cd, the prince tunes being pretty damn good (another case where he gives away some of his best songs to other people)

theres a great cd called something like james browns funky people - the funky breakbeats, which has some of the best of his protoge acts like the jb's, lynn collins, marva high, maceo parker, bobby byrd, etc. you might not know the songs, but you will recognise bits of the tunes as the most sampled songs in history. i had the pleasure of some of these guys coming to jam at a gig i was involved with, and we had funk royalty in the house, such as the bassist who played on one nation under a groove for george clinton, and of course marva high, who was with james brown for 30 years and has been with maceo for 10 years. it was just a one off thing, unrehearsed, so we never knew what was coming next, and those are the best king of gigs

[karkus30]

I think that its just been harder for female bands to gain popularity and recognition in what has always been a male dominated area. I hate to say it, but like most activities, most blokes get into bands for fame and fortune, but mainly to attract women in one way or another, its just what we do and it appears to work very well for the band and the record company.

So, record companies are quite happy to promote male bands because its really profitable and guys will always be forming bands with the hope of attracting hoards of admiring females. Its a symbiotic relationship that goes way back to the first caveman showing off his hunting prowess.

I reckon girls have different reasons for getting into music, it always looks like they approach any skill with the idea of just getting the most enjoyment out of the art and love the challenge. It helps that it just might get them enough money for a nice house, a car and general comforts from a practical point of view.

Of course there must be exceptions on both sides, but dont make the mistake of thinking an all girl group cant rock as hard as any other.
Sleater Kinney, L7, Hole, Bikini Kill,The Breeders, The Raincoats and The Slits are a few that made it through by emulating the male acts (and yes, several had male drummers etc , but the main band was female), but there are a lot of underground female bands that have other directions like Shonen Knife.

Anyway, why cant we just have a mixture of male and female, seems to work very well.

[Garrett]

Originally Posted by lisa burrell

Wow the moderator there who was playing the Gladys knight.. is that LP you were fondling LOL pre buddah days dad asked.. whats the big track

I have both the pre buddah days Greatest Hits which was the very first LP I bought of hers as I was only in the 70’s I was introduced to soul music and realy only gut the LP for Just Walk in my Shoes and Take me in your Arms and Love me. Got a nice surprise with Giving Up and It Souould Have Been Me, I then got some more of her LP’s of hers. I also last year got The Best Of Gladys Knight on CD which contains most of her hits inc Nether One Of Us and Help me make it through Night, but not The Look of Love. All pre buddah. Listening to If I was your Woman in the background. The way she growls Id never NO no stop loving you. Track 26 on link although no, NO no.

[krish]

Originally Posted by Nick_UK

Maybe because in those days there were no synthesisers, so you heard real musical instruments and no forced overstated bass ?

May be not synthesisers/programming/sampling in the way we have now but they still used analogue synths (Moog etc), and the Mellotron, a Hammond organ looking tape-based sampler

It also wasn't really the instruments that contributed to high powered sounds, such as Phil Spector's wall of sound, it was studio production techniques; multi-tracking; and most of all a fantastic singer

I wouldn't blame the tools
- there's just as much bad old music peformed will real musical instruments

[QUOTE=karkus30]I think that its just been harder for female bands to gain popularity and recognition in what has always been a male dominated area. I hate to say it, but like most activities, most blokes get into bands for fame and fortune, but mainly to attract women in one way or another, its just what we do and it appears to work very well for the band and the record company.

amazing reponces pew so much id like to ask you guys like who is that wonderful guitar player in james brown id love to play like that. Im also facinated how they get the hand clapping sound on motown because im very suspect of anyone who says they can clap in time for 3 mins, Is it tape trickery.

And Karkus so so much to chat to you about read all your points agree with you yes.

Do any of you ever wonder there must be hundreds of really gifted singers players that never are going to be famouse because there not gifted in the way the look. Being born good loking for a female is a gift in its self.
Is there an outlet for theses dear folk what happens to them do they stay bedroom guitarist bedroom singers or do they go into session work where they never get seen. Sad old world we live in...

[unique]

Originally Posted by lisa burrell

I think that its just been harder for female bands to gain popularity and recognition in what has always been a male dominated area. I hate to say it, but like most activities, most blokes get into bands for fame and fortune, but mainly to attract women in one way or another, its just what we do and it appears to work very well for the band and the record company.

amazing reponces pew so much id like to ask you guys like who is that wonderful guitar player in james brown id love to play like that. Im also facinated how they get the hand clapping sound on motown because im very suspect of anyone who says they can clap in time for 3 mins, Is it tape trickery.

And Karkus so so much to chat to you about read all your points agree with you yes.

Do any of you ever wonder there must be hundreds of really gifted singers players that never are going to be famouse because there not gifted in the way the look. Being born good loking for a female is a gift in its self.
Is there an outlet for theses dear folk what happens to them do they stay bedroom guitarist bedroom singers or do they go into session work where they never get seen. Sad old world we live in...

i presume you mean jimmy nolan who did the lick on papa's got a brand new bag. he is usually named as the man who invented funk guitar

larry graham from sly and the family stone is the guy usually named as the man who invented funk bass, the invented the slapping sound when he had to play a gig without a drummer

rodney "skeet" curtis is the guy who played bass on one nation under a groove by funkadelic. whilst william "bootsy" collins also played on the album, it was skeet who did that track. whilst many would call bootsy the best funk player in the business, bootsy would give that name to larry graham

about the clapping, it's practice. a lot of them dudes had to clap a lot at church. theres a lot more to clapping than you think, just like shaking a tamborine you can get lots of different sounds by changing technique (try it!)

[QUOTE=unique]i presume you mean jimmy nolan who did the lick on papa's got a brand new bag. he is usually named as the man who invented funk guitar

larry graham from sly and the family stone is the guy usually named as the man who invented funk bass, the invented the slapping sound when he had to play a gig without a drummer

rodney "skeet" curtis is the guy who played bass on one nation under a groove by funkadelic. whilst william "bootsy" collins also played on the album, it was skeet who did that track. whilst many would call bootsy the best funk player in the business, bootsy would give that name to larry graham

about the clapping, it's practice. a lot of them dudes had to clap a lot at church. theres a lot more to clapping than you think, just like shaking a tamborine you can get lots of different sounds by changing technique (try it!)

your so cool ...... thanks .. can ... i be a tinker and bother you for the name of the two mavis staples albums prince produced

Um i had a friend round with her little miss muppet shes only six and she said Lisa.. we going to dance to melanie cole again... kids .... lovethem to bits..

i said who? what she was trying to say was melody cool...

Dad told me that someone called Gerry and the pace makers... Were touring japan.. everywhere they went people were shouting sing the pie song..

Pie song .. we dont do a pie song .. So he asked one of the audience how it went.. came the reply

" When you walk in the Room.... hold your head a pie" sorry.... opps.

Quite topical what with the footie..

[unique]

Originally Posted by lisa burrell

i presume you mean jimmy nolan who did the lick on papa's got a brand new bag. he is usually named as the man who invented funk guitar

larry graham from sly and the family stone is the guy usually named as the man who invented funk bass, the invented the slapping sound when he had to play a gig without a drummer

rodney "skeet" curtis is the guy who played bass on one nation under a groove by funkadelic. whilst william "bootsy" collins also played on the album, it was skeet who did that track. whilst many would call bootsy the best funk player in the business, bootsy would give that name to larry graham

about the clapping, it's practice. a lot of them dudes had to clap a lot at church. theres a lot more to clapping than you think, just like shaking a tamborine you can get lots of different sounds by changing technique (try it!)

your so cool ...... thanks .. can ... i be a tinker and bother you for the name of the two mavis staples albums prince produced

Um i had a friend round with her little miss muppet shes only six and she said Lisa.. we going to dance to melanie cole again... kids .... lovethem to bits..

i said who? what she was trying to say was melody cool...

Dad told me that someone called Gerry and the pace makers... Were touring japan.. everywhere they went people were shouting sing the pie song..

Pie song .. we dont do a pie song .. So he asked one of the audience how it went.. came the reply

" When you walk in the Room.... hold your head a pie" sorry.... opps.

Quite topical what with the footie..

time waits for no-one was the first album for mavis on prince's paisley park label in 1989, distributed by warners. i'm pretty sure this would have been long deleted as per everything else on paisley park. the second album was the voice from 1993, again on paisley park via warners, but it was reissued with a slightly different cover i think thru BMG.

the first album isn't as good, but the track "time waits for no-one" is a great ballad with a nice guitar solo (the video has a part where the camera moves out the apartment window to see prince outside leaning on a lamppost playing the guitar). jaguar is an okay track and was a rare single with deep house mixes, train was originally going to be on what became sign o the times but never released by prince. theres an outtake called "god is alive" that would have nicely fitted on the album, it was almost legendary amongst fans at the time of release (around graffiti bridge/batman time). for prince fans the album is a bit patchy with few prince tracks. as i compiled all his tracks from both albums on one disc i havent really listed to the rest since it came out

the voice is a great album however, mavis said it was one of her best peices of work. only last year one of the prince tracks "u will be moved" was put online to raise money for the hurrican katrina fund, and whilst recorded 12/13 years ago, it still sounds pretty good today (some of prince's protoge work from the late 80s/early 90s can sound a bit dated). the undertaker is another great track, prince did a 40 minute hard rock guitar album from a live take to dat with just the bassist and drummer, and that was one of the tracks on it, which he used to play a lot at aftershows, so to give that away was a surprise. the voice is another great track, typical prince with a great gospel vocal. many of the protoges that prince works with can't sing as good as he can, so fans usually prefer his demo versions, but mavis versions are great. theres also a version of melody cool on this album, newly remixed, but it's not as good as the original versions (it was a single and had a junior vasquez remix and extended normal version). blood is thicker than time is a classic prince ballad, house in order is another great prince track that he used to play live around the time, and positivity is a decent cover of the lovesexy prince track

if you have a good google about you might be able to find these. be careful as some prince protoge stuff goes for crazy prices, like £100 a cd for appolonia6/vanity6/the family (they did the original nothing compares 2 u)

theres also a live prince video of an aftershow party from london 93 where mavis sings the undertaker and i think you will be moved and maybe something else (i get confused as they edited most of the new songs out of the official version) as he regularly plays new songs at aftershows that dont come out, at least for a few years. that was released by warners as "the sacrifice of victor" at the same time as "the undertaker" a video version of the guitar cd i mentioned. if you are lucky you can probably pick these up cheaply as no-one wants vhs anymore. they were also released on laserdisc in japan. these two videos are the kind of stuff you can show to non fans and they will appreciate it. i've heard a lot of musicians tell me they have played undertaker to guitarists who have slagged off prince, and they have been well impressed. it's even been enough to make a few people who slag him off end up becoming fans as they didn't realise he was a great guitar player.

if you have a google and check amazon you might be lucky to pick up these albums, but i wouldnt pay more than £10 for each item, as altho some people will sell them at crazy prices, you do find from time to time people clearing them cheap, thats if they don't know what they have

george clinton also did a couple of albums for paisley park, but they aren't that great. there was an unreleased album with more prince input, but unfortunately it was absolute crap. it's a shame as there was some great stuff that just never got released.

larry graham/GCS and chaka khan also released "prince" albums in 98, the GCS2000 album not being very good, but the CK album being surprisingly good. both albums were basically made for the artists by prince, but CK was lucky to be allowed to record decent versions of a couple of great unreleased prince songs and made for a decent album. unfortunately prince's own album from the time wasn't that great, possibly as he was working on too much at the time, and just after releasing a triple album or new material, then a 5 disc album of new and old stuff

prince has a new protoge now called tamar, who can sing (she was at the brit awards), she was part of the band that became destinys child, but wouldn't sing to beyonces dad's management, and recorded with prince over 10 years ago but nothing happened. prince has done a few gigs with her on lead and him on guitar to try and push her as a solo artist, but the album has been put back twice already. one of the tracks is also on 3121, the new prince album, and she also does backing, so it sounds promising. the live songs are pretty decent too, so hopefully her album could be good and worth getting, and in the style you seem to like

[QUOTE=unique]i presume you mean jimmy nolan who did the lick on papa's got a brand new bag. he is usually named as the man who invented funk guitar

my favourite is trying to learn cold sweat thats the era and my favourite rifs are get on the good foot and sex machine the one that particular impresses my little fingers to try and play is back to nature so fast so choppy love that style who would that be.

funny you know i still lovethe sound of jazz guitars love that wonderful sound of octave playing . Emiliy remler plays them very well is a huge fav. Anyone heard joyce cooling? play very nice she playing mostly octives mostly too.
i found another interesting player peter white but to much acoustic jazz guitar leves me a bit board. But i heard confidential and its a toe tapper

But in the real world every bedroom guitarist i meet. seems to think the guitar has only one end and you got to play down there screw your face and play it loud with a fuzz box on and im past that i think! Dont want to know dose nothing for me, even if they can play freebird backwards

to each her own whoops...