[unique]

Michael Jackson Discussion Thread

I started the link below as a Michael Jackson Appreciation thread, where fans can post respects, images and videos, or other positive aspects of his life. This thread here is intended to allow a more general discussion of Michael Jackson. Over the next few days there will be a number of news stories and other facts coming to light, so these can be posted and discussed here. You can also post videos and photos, but please bear in mind the general forum rules of no bad language and no hot linking images. As this is a respectable forum, any tasteless jokes or photoshop images are likely to be deleted. Also, no thread spoiling, trolling, flaming, or baiting please. One last thing, please don't post any rumours as facts, in particular any legal allegations. Michael Jackson was never found guilty in court of any offences, and I don't expect any forum members to have any proof of any unfounded rumours. And let's keep this a friendly and interesting discussion, thanks.

Michael Jackson Appreciation Thread

[xit2050]

Originally Posted by unique

my point being what is the point of having a live album if the artist's vocals aren't live

What is the name of that official MJ live album? I'm not aware there is one (and the possible future release of one is only speculation at this point).

BTW, every official "live" album that is released by whatever artist is always remixed in the studio and false notes etc. are replaced by studio recordings. Can you call those albums "live"?

[unique]

Originally Posted by xit2050

What is the name of that official MJ live album? I'm not aware there is one (and the possible future release of one is only speculation at this point).

BTW, every official "live" album that is released by whatever artist is always remixed in the studio and false notes etc. are replaced by studio recordings. Can you call those albums "live"?

i was referring to AEG's plans to release a live album and dvd of the final rehearsal. i can understand the point of a dvd, but a live album is pushing it a bit when the vocals are prerecorded. MJ doesn't have an official solo live album, just one official live dvd and an official live vhs, but there have been a number of tv and radio broadcasts of concerts

not all live albums are remixed in the studio, perhaps a lot are, but when it comes to bum notes, usually what happens is a number of shows are recorded, and they take the best versions of each song and compile it to an album, thus no talking between the songs. many will be remixed from multitracks to sound the best, and some will overdub afterwards, i think david gilmour overdubbed the delicate sound of thunder album to hell and back. some will just record the shows to DAT and either release the whole or part of the show (ie tori amos and i think it was pearl jam that released all the shows from a tour as official bootlegs), or compile the best versions of the songs from the show (such as prince's last/only two live albums). some bands have even recorded the live album in the studio and added audience noise afterwards, such as guns n roses first EP and i think one of the Kiss live albums was done like that

i think it's a great shame that in his solo career he never did a whole show where he just sang live all the way through, that would make a good live album. i was hoping he would have done something smaller like vegas, like elvis last shows, where he would just get a decent band and showcase his singing and catalogue instead of the dancing and razamataz, show the critics he can pull that off. something like an MJ unplugged would have also been great, imagine the hits reinvented accoustically

btw, i've been listening to MJ for years, was a big fan around the thriller time, it's just the last few months i really dug deep into the collection and revisted a lot of the stuff, so i've not just started listening to him a lot recently, i just started going back over it after the announcement of the o2 shows. i had stopped just the week before he died as i got a bit sick of listening to it too much, but i spent the day yesterday going through the catalogue and again today, as there is too much to listen to in a day

[jonneymendoza]

Yea i saw Justin perform too and he can sing for sure. many people believe he may become the next king of pop. for me he has the right ingrediant ie he can sing, dance, write his own lyrics and now he can produce his own beats.

he is the brains behind ciera's new song with JT and the T.I track called dead and gone.

The guy is talented but he needs to find a way to change the genra of music as a whole like how MJ did back in the day. right now JT is doing what has been done before but doing it better then most of todays artists

[unique]

JT is a big MJ fan, and apparently a number of the tracks on his first solo album were originally offered to MJ but they were turned down. both of JT's solo albums are really good, the first mainly produced by nerd and the second by timbaland. he can dance too, but he didn't dance at the afterparty i was at, he came on as special guest to do a couple of songs, but when he was due to leave the audience went nuts so he took over lead vocals for nerd and pharell just sat on the drum riser. JT then started an acapella version of pharells solo single frontin' as a joke, and the band joined in, then the black eyed peas came onstage and did the rap part that jay z did originally. he had an incredible hold over the audience, very charismatic. he doesn't take himself seriously either, with his SNL collabs with the comedy band lonely island, with songs/videos for dick in a box and motherlover. you can find these on the SNL site or youtube (there are a few live versions of dick in a box on youtube too). in between his solo albums he did a lot of guest appearances on other albums, mainly rnb and hip hop, and his choice of artists raises his credibility and makes everyone forget he was in boyband nsync, who performed with MJ at the 30th anniversary show. JT stood out during that performance, even though he wasn't the main singer, more the robbie williams of the band, but with a dodgy curly hairdo

[jonneymendoza]

i saw his O2 concert 2 years ago and he was brilliant. he won the crowed completely. his performance was brilliant and he was really good on the piano. i remembered he played the piano for the begining of his song "what goes around" and that was trually amazing.

Can MJ play any instrument?

[Coffin]

The piano, apparently. As with most when it came to MJ, you never quite knew!

[signs]

I went to see MJ at Milton Keynes years ago ,musically he was a genius,unfortunately when the allegations started that killed it for me .

[unique]

Originally Posted by jonneymendoza

i saw his O2 concert 2 years ago and he was brilliant. he won the crowed completely. his performance was brilliant and he was really good on the piano. i remembered he played the piano for the begining of his song "what goes around" and that was trually amazing.

Can MJ play any instrument?

http://www.avforums.com/forums/attac...1&d=1246448548

apparently he can play piano/keyboards, and he played percussion in the jackson 5. he is credited on the albums for a few things, including guitar, but he didn't play instruments on stage during his solo career. i imagine it's just a basic grasp so he could write a song, but not good enough to perform onstage. a bit like madonna, she has credits for keyboards at times, and does one song onstage with guitar, but i don't think she played more than one chord and just strummed, it probabably wasn't even plugged in. elvis used to go onstage with a guitar that wasn't plugged in, but he could play a bit. he had a jam session at gracelands with the beatles once, i recall he played the bass. imagine seeing the beatles and elvis jam together

madonna used to play drums in a band called the breakfast club, so it means that prince, michael and madonna can all play drums, and none of them can read music

[xit2050]

Originally Posted by unique

madonna used to play drums in a band called the breakfast club, so it means that prince, michael and madonna can all play drums, and none of them can read music

Prince can't read music?


I dare you to say that over here.

[unique]

Originally Posted by xit2050

Prince can't read music?


I dare you to say that over here.

it's a well known fact, i think all his fans know this, at least anyone who cares about it. he can play most instruments, all self taught, his father wouldn't let him play on his piano as "he wasn't good enough" so he secretly taught himself to impress his father. when he was about 14 he was in his first band that played cover versions, prince would hear the songs on the radio and teach the band members how to play them, just from ear. he even played jacksons songs

it's probably not so well known that prince and MJ were "friends", as far as showbiz friendships go. MJ used to hang out at paisley park and shoot hoops with prince, he saw prince at a few purple rain shows, standing at the side of the stage. both prince and MJ were onstage at the same james brown gig in 84. MJ used to mail prince videos of sly and the family stone to watch (MJ owned his song rights too), and when prince last played vegas in 2007 he invited will.i.am who brought along MJ and chris tucker. (btw i noticed someone confused will.i.am from BEP's with wyclef from the fugees, wyclef did remixes on blood on the dancefloor, and was still complaining last year about not getting paid). it's probably well known that bad was supposed to be a duet with prince, but prince said about the opening line "your butt is mine..." that "i ain't singing that to you, and you damn sure aren't singing that to me". wesley snipes took the part of prince in the video...

there's also a funny story about prince persuading MJ to play ping pong at paisley, and MJ saying he didn't know how to play, and prince told him it was easy, but proceeds to play like a pro and beat him, instead of taking it easy against a beginner, and then he went around paisley telling everyone he beat MJ at ping pong!

[xit2050]

Would you please stop with your music encyclopedia facts... most of which are incorrect.
Don't you find it strange that stories like these can only be found on the internet since a few days? None of these ever appeared in any biography.

Here's another one of these "stories" that appeared the last couple of days: http://trashselector.com/evan-chandl...sorry-michael/

Morale of the story: don't believe everything you read on the internet.

I own almost everything Prince ever made and that can be found anywhere, I seen him numerous times in concert, I was part of the Belgian fan club for many years, I wrote a high-school graduation thesis on his album cover art for my art class... I think I know a few things about the man.

[unique]

Originally Posted by xit2050

Would you please stop with your music encyclopedia facts... most of which are incorrect.
Don't you find it strange that stories like these can only be found on the internet since a few days? None of these ever appeared in any biography.

Here's another one of these "stories" that appeared the last couple of days: Jordan Chandler “I Lied for my father, i’m sorry Michael” | Fresh News

Morale of the story: don't believe everything you read on the internet.

I own almost everything Prince ever made and that can be found anywhere, I seen him numerous times in concert, I was part of the Belgian fan club for many years, I wrote a high-school graduation thesis on his album cover art for my art class... I think I know a few things about the man.

what is it you think is wrong? i do have absolutely everything he's every released, including all his work for related artists, and every mix, including promo only mixes, and all of this stuff is original copies, i've met him a few times over the years, been on stage with him a few times, including at paisley park, and even been in studio b with him for a few hours. i know all sorts of things about prince that aren't commonly known, but most of the stuff i've mentioned here was mentioned in prince interviews on tv, the ping pong story was told by paul gambaccini on a prince interview dvd you can buy on amazon

i haven't made a single thing up

[xit2050]

unique = Jerome Benton?




Just kidding, of course, respect if you did all those things you say, but that doesn't mean you should believe everything people say about Prince or any other artist.

[unique]

Originally Posted by xit2050

unique = Jerome Benton?


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Just kidding, of course, respect if you did all those things you say, but that doesn't mean you should believe everything people say about Prince or any other artist.

no, but mo and rome were in the studio at the same time as prince, plus terry lewis (one half of jam and lewis who produced janet and michael), mani, femi, hans, and jellybean johnson, the time drummer who played guitar on janet's black cat

Twin Cities musicians: 'He was a world icon'

jon breame is a respected journalist for the star tribune and is known for great articles about prince. his phone number is below if you want to call him

Twin Cities musicians: 'He was a world icon'

Magnificent musician had a friendly rivalry with Prince.
By Jon Bream, Star Tribune
Last update: June 25, 2009 - 11:07 PM











Minneapolis drummer Michael Bland got off the airplane in St. Louis on Thursday evening to find this text message: "Michael Jackson, Farrah Fawcett dead."
"I'm having trouble processing this," said Bland, 40, who had declined an invitation to be in Jackson's touring band in 1996. "I figured he'd be here till he was 80. His death is more significant than John Lennon's. He was a world icon."
Speaking by phone moments after he heard the news, Bland said he was dumbfounded. He had recently been in contact with musicians who were set to back Jackson on a 50-concert run in London starting in mid-July.
"All I heard was that he was in shape, and the tour was going to make a lot of money," Bland said.
To a contemporary, the sudden death was a wakeup call.
"I've had so many musician friends die in the last year," said Jellybean Johnson, drummer for '80s hitmakers the Time. "Michael Jackson dying doesn't seem real. But it is reality. The clock is ticking on us all. Forget the nonsense that goes on in this business. Whatever you're going to do, do it now."
Johnson, 52, of Brooklyn Center, who played guitar on Janet Jackson's 1990 No. 1 hit "Black Cat," met her brother briefly in 1995 in the lobby of Flyte Tyme Studios in Edina. Michael and Janet were there to record their first duet, "Scream," with producers Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis.
"He had a surgical mask on," Johnson said. "He didn't have a bunch of bodyguards. It was a very short conversation."
Lewis remembered Jackson as "an unassuming, regular guy" until it was time to record. "When he went into the studio to do vocals, he lit up into a different person in a whole other place, a whole other universe. I haven't seen it from anyone since. He was magnificent."


The Jackson 5 played the Twin Cities a few times, but his only solo concerts here were a three-night stand in 1988 at the old Met Center in Bloomington. His dancing was fabulous, his singing heartfelt and his entertainment instincts uncanny. He seemed lost in his own performance, with his eyes mostly closed.
Lewis, Johnson and Bland -- the longtime Prince drummer who now plays with Soul Asylum -- grew up on Jackson's music. Before Bland could read, he could pick out Jackson's records.
For Prince, born the same year as Jackson, Jacko was a friendly rival. Bobby Z, drummer for Prince and the Revolution, remembers watching the 1984 Grammys with his boss when Jackson swept the awards for his album "Thriller."
"We were watching rough cuts of [the movie] 'Purple Rain,' and we knew that's where Prince wanted to be the next year," Z said Thursday.
Jackson showed up backstage at a couple Prince shows in 1984. The two icons, whose "Thriller" and "Purple Rain" defined the 1980s, never did work together. Later that decade, when both were recording at the same Los Angeles studio, Prince invited Jackson to play ping-pong. Michael, a star since age 8 who had lived a sheltered life, didn't know how.
"You want me to slam it?" Prince asked, according to engineer David Z, who was there. "Michael drops his paddle and holds his hands up in front of his face so the ball won't hit him. Michael walks out with his bodyguard, and Prince starts strutting around like a rooster. 'Did you see that? He played like Helen Keller.'"
But Bland insists the two icons got along fine: "They'd shoot hoops at Paisley Park," Prince's studio/home in Chanhassen. "We used to get packages from MJJ Productions [with] footage of Sly Stone performing in Europe. Prince would pop it in the VCR, and we'd watch it."


Jon Bream • 612-673-1719

here is video of michael jackson, then prince onstage with james brown in 1984. bb king played earlier in the set



[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CoxNzOOoQU[/youtube]


i'm not sure if this works, but the chris rock interview with prince on vh1 in 1997 has prince telling the story of him turning down bad and being replaced by wesley snipes. due to websherrif, you might need to have a google about if this doesn't work



Prince-Chris Rock-Interview - imeem - Recherche vidéo sur Truveo


and regarding prince learning to play, it was on the tavis smiley show in march which can be watched on the official pbs website, and there is a transcript online too


http://www-tc.pbs.org/kcet/tavissmil...deo_prince.flv


http://www-tc.pbs.org/kcet/tavissmil...eo_prince2.flv


from the twins myspace

We were in Las Vegas doing a sixth month run of shows with Prince at the Rio for his 3121 album.

We were about to start the show, when our hairdresser came into the side stage holding room screaming that Michael Jackson was back stage!

Mind you the show was about to start and Prince was arriving any minute! Michael was chilling waiting to go to his seat in Prince's purple greenroom with velvet and candles We were not in the first song (which we usually are) and mind you the show was about to start and Prince was arriving any minute! So we run down to the greenroom and there he was standing in Princes purple room with purple beads hanging across the door.

We didn't even want to walk into his presence without an invitation. It was just him in the room and John Meglen from AEG Live (the touring company that's now doing Michaels "This Is It" tour and has been doing Prince's tours).

John welcomed us in as we were just standing there outside the door in amazement and we introduced ourselves. The fist time we met Michael was a while back in Sydney and we looked totally different.

He shook our hand and said "Nice to meet you, are you in the show?". We said: "yes, we are in the show”, and he said said, " I like your make up". We had blue eye shadow on

We asked if he remembered us and he said in an apologetic soft voice "No". So we explained when we met him in Sydney Australia, and he remembered us and said: "Your all grown up now!" and gave us a cuddle. So sweet!!!

The DJ was playing up stairs and he was grooving to the music, then Chris Tucker ended up bursting into the room screaming out Mike!!!!! And gave him a big cuddle and Chris saw us and said: “ Dubble trouble” in his twangy voice lol! Then got called upstairs cause Prince arrived and the show was about to start.

Michael watched the show in a booth behind the standing room and we could see his hands in the air clapping during the show!

We finally got to perform for him after all the years he had performed for us. We were very happy. Best moment of our lifes! Performing with a legend on stage, for a legend off stage!!!

and here is will.i.am's version of the same story, told just a few weeks ago - warning there is swearing on the link



Will.i.am on music and acting - CraveOnline.com

[GYRODEC1]

Hi Mj fans,

Before Michael passed away he was working on a dance album with Will.i.am from the Black eyed peas. Do you guys think this album will come out or will it be one of Michael's unfinished projects that may have been a massive hit around the world due to his death?

Cheers

[unique]

Originally Posted by GYRODEC1

Hi Mj fans,

Before Michael passed away he was working on a dance album with Will.i.am from the Black eyed peas. Do you guys think this album will come out or will it be one of Michael's unfinished projects that may have been a massive hit around the world due to his death?

Cheers

Will.i.am on music and acting - CraveOnline.com

have a read of that. it sounds like they didn't finish anything. but considering tupac released more albums after he died than he did when alive, and hendrix had a few albums after he died, i wouldn't be surprised if they used every last drop of unreleased material to use for new albums

[GYRODEC1]

Hi Unique,

I really hope they do produce an unreleased album. It would be great for all the fans around the world to remember him by and know the quality of his music.

Thanks again for the link. It was great reading.

P.S I also hope AEG do produce that 'This Is It' rehearsals on DVD it will sell by the load and also know what fans would have expected if the real concerts went ahead.

This guy is the true King Of Pop I have no doubt in my mind.It is so very sad that his private life was so turbulent, with plastic surgery, reclusive lifestyle etc etc.

But the man was a true dedicated musical genius in modern music.

Cheers

[woody23]

The o2 rehearsal video clip:

Celebrity Video | TMZ.com

enjoy

[raigraphixs]

Well if the rest off the rehearsal is just as good as the clip, and the same quality picture, the dvd if ever released could be the largest and biggest selling dvd ever!

[GYRODEC1]

That's for sure. Also if they bring out an album of all his unreleased songs from the vaults it will sell in millions.

I watched the MJ rehearsals last night and he looked in excellent shape. He was moving around the stage like a young man, smiling and he was genuinely happy and enjoying himself, everything seemed to be fine.

I have a strong suspician that he was bumped off by one of these doctors who prescribed him some medication.

His brother Jermaine was also interviewed, and he mentioned that Michael has never taken drugs.How can that be when he is taking prescribed painkillers.

You just don't know who to believe. But don't you worry the stories will get even bigger in the weeks ahead.

Anyway, tell me what you think.

[Pincho Paxton]

I can't find any examples of MJ singing badly live. Mind you, I could never tell what he was saying anyway! .. "The chids not my son?"

[GYRODEC1]

Originally Posted by Pincho Paxton

I can't find any examples of MJ singing badly live. Mind you, I could never tell what he was saying anyway! .. "The chids not my son?"

I do agree, some words he sings are very difficult to understand even after I've listened to the same song 3 or 4 times. Maybe he finds it difficult pronouncing some particular words or it's his high pitched female voice.

I just don't know.

[Crovon]

I think it is just his own unique twist on certain words when singing, just like "come on" turning into "shamone".

[unique]

Originally Posted by jimihifi

I think it is just his own unique twist on certain words when singing, just like "come on" turning into "shamone".

it's cham'one with a C, not shamone with an S, that's like americans not being able to say potato or tomato properly! chamone=come on, shamone= a girls name

[DJACID]

Michael Jackson Funeral - C5 6:30pm Tues 7th
Sky Planner -
Channel five
Michael Jackson Goodbye
Tuesday 7th 6:30pm




It shows up in sky planner but not on any of my tv guides

[xit2050]

NOTW just released some never before seen footage of a questioning in 1996...

[youtube]9gUU4m_t8do[/youtube]

[Crovon]

Originally Posted by unique

it's cham'one with a C, not shamone with an S, that's like americans not being able to say potato or tomato properly! chamone=come on, shamone= a girls name

Does it really matter? You know what I was getting at

[unique]

Originally Posted by jimihifi

Does it really matter? You know what I was getting at

i was only having a laugh i presume you haven't seen the bo selecta sketch (none of which can be posted here due to swearing)

[Crovon]

Originally Posted by unique

i was only having a laugh i presume you haven't seen the bo selecta sketch (none of which can be posted here due to swearing)

yes I have!

Forgive my stupidity