[raigraphixs]

Pope Vader

[raigraphixs]

[quarry2006]

Originally Posted by raigraphixs

William Shatner on why Star Trek is better than Star Wars

Star Trek v Star Wars - YouTube

In this advert for Weight Watchers, I thought that the fella on the left was talking about Star Wars at first, when he mentioned relationships and philosophy. It surprised me to find out that he was talking about Star Trek.

[Greg]

Originally Posted by quarry2006

In this advert for Weight Watchers, I thought that the fella on the left was talking about Star Wars at first, when he mentioned relationships and philosophy. It surprised me to find out that he was talking about Star Trek.

Ooh, why I oughta!

I'm guessing you are a Star Wars fan and not a Star Trek fan then?

I'm searching now through the infraction list to see if there is a 'dissing the shatmeister'. But can't find one, there are custom infractions though, might see if I can get away with one.

[quarry2006]

The shatmeister! Sorry, I love him really, and I think he has a great sense of humour - he made a memorable appearance at some awards bash for George Lucas and was hilarious. And I've heard him sing Rocket Man

[lucasisking]

Originally Posted by MJeeves

1). Count Dooku's realization (too late) that he has been betrayed by Palpatine and that Palpatine is REALLY wanting Anakin to kill him. Before that he thought Palpatine would step in and rescue him.

I love all the Sith machinations and betrayals etc, but Dooku was a fool not to anticipate Sideous' betrayal. Indeed, all Sith must be constantly aware that their 'companions' are planning their downfall at all times. That's certainly implied in the Vader/ Sidious relationship in the original trilogy.

2). A fab scene where Palpatine sets up a "recording device" to get evidence of the jedi treason (when Mace Windu and the other Jedi come to arrest him). He records the whole event and then tinkers with it before showing it before the senate (with his now disfigured face) to get sympathy and to further isolate the ailing jedi council.

3). The formation and reason behind the Rebel Alliance (hinted at in the deleted scenes on the DVD).

Yes. This is something that really should have been included. There was a lot of unnecessary to-ing and fro-ing in the middle of the film (Sith) that could have been trimmed to make room for some Rebel seed-sowing. Perhaps some references to the Mon Calamari pledging to build ships or something.

4). The fate of Nute Gunray and the Trade Federation / Separatist leaders is not really addressed in the film. In the book Palpatine also betrays them and sends Anakin to "wipe them out" on Mustafar (where Palpatine has sent them). Nute Gunray cowers before Anakin (now Vader) and pleads "but the Emperor Lord Sidious promised peace". Anakin (Vader) replies... "No, he promised that you'd be in pieces!".

Im glad that line wasn't there. I like Vader's silent, terminator-like killing spree. The scene is so brutal and merciless that a 'one-liner' might have ruined the scene's impact.

5). The turn of Anakin in the scene following Mace's death could have been enhanced with more inner torment for Anakin (like in the novel).

Agreed.

6). In the EU it is mentioned several times that Sidious keeps Vader alive by "setting his will on him". He then instructs the medical droids to keep Anakin (Vader) "awake and aware" throughout his several weeks long operation to re-build his charred and disfigured remains. (Sadistic git!).

7). Finally, a little more time given to the birth of the twins at the end. That whole final 15 mins seems so rushed to me.


I think all the above would have increased the length of Episode III: ROTS by about 20 minutes max and the benefits would have been great. Lucas could have shaved a few minutes off the Anakin / Obi lightsabre battle (which goes on too long) and also the Obi Wan on the lizard / General Grievous chase (which also goes on too long) and voila... IMHO a better and less rushed film.

Agreed again. Having the Obi-wan on Utapau and Yoda on Kashyyyk was uncessary- both plotlines could easily have been combined (Why not Greivous hiding on the Wookie planet?). And the strategic importance of Kashyyyk is never explained.

I do still really like (Episode III) Sith though. By far the best prequel IMHO.

Any thoughts?

Thoughts in bold

[MJeeves]

Originally Posted by lucasisking

Thoughts in bold

spot on my boy. spot on.

[quarry2006]

Nah. If we lose Utapau then we lose that wonderful (non-CGI) camera drop into the canyon. Also, to have Yoda on one planet and Obi-wan on another was vital to Sidious's plot; he had to have them off Coruscant while he continued to manipulate Anakin....I think!

[raigraphixs]

Cinema Release Poster for 'Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace' in 3D & 2D

[Geoff_D]

Originally Posted by lucasisking

Thoughts in bold

Regarding Kashyyyk's importance, it's explained in a single line in the script, but Lucas cut it out because to him it was enough for Ob-Wan to simply say "It's a system we cannot afford to lose". That's typical of Lucas, taking conversations that actually make a degree of sense on the page and paring them back to the bare bones, which is partly what creates those odd speech cadences. It's not just the 'serial style', it's the fact that people are responding directly to lines of dialogue which have been cut out. That always happens in movies anyway, but Lucas' writing isn't nuanced enough to survive having the key parts of exposition hacked out of it.

Case in point: Queen Amidala's line "I will not condone a course of action which will lead us to war" in Phantom Menace has always puzzled me, because no-one actually advises her to do anything in that scene! Sure, there's a mention of "security volunteers" but that's it. Lo and behold, the screenplay reveals that Sio Bibble says "We must prepare to defend ourselves", which is of course what Amidala is responding to with the above line.

Retaining these tiny fragments of story won't hurt the movies one bit, but Lucas doesn't care as long as he can shoehorn in another few seconds of CG generated foolishness.

[quarry2006]

Originally Posted by raigraphixs

Cinema Release Poster for 'Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace' in 3D & 2D

image

Sweet.

[raigraphixs]

Originally Posted by quarry2006

Sweet.

If anyone has not seen, in the tv series, Darth Maul is being resurrected.

[Geoff_D]

Really? Alrighty then. Explains why he's so bloody big on that TERRIBLE poster for the Phantom Menace 3D.

[raigraphixs]

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[scousejedi]

Went to see the Lion King 3D last night and was surprised to see the trailer for TPM 3D before it. Apart from maybe the pod race clip and one other scene, it looked like a standard release as appose to 3D, wasn't really impressed by it. I know its only the trailer, but in comparison to the Tin Tin trailer it was woeful.

[tonyk79]

Just finished watching Revenge of the Sith on blu ray on my new 3d tv using the 2d-3d option and some of the scenes have some great depth to them, so I imagine a bonafide proper 2d-3d professional conversion could work well.

Does anyone know when the other movies are starting the cinema 3d runs?

[raigraphixs]

Originally Posted by tonyk79

Just finished watching Revenge of the Sith on blu ray on my new 3d tv using the 2d-3d option and some of the scenes have some great depth to them, so I imagine a bonafide proper 2d-3d professional conversion could work well.

Does anyone know when the other movies are starting the cinema 3d runs?

yep look up at the poster

only if the first 3d film does well, will they consider converting the next film, etc.

[jay mc]

Originally Posted by raigraphixs

Cinema Release Poster for 'Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace' in 3D & 2D

image

and jar jar gets no poster space, guess they did not want to scare people of seeing it

[raigraphixs]

Hopefully the colours will not look this bad

Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace - 3D Trailer - YouTube

or


>> Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace - 3D Trailer

[darren68uk]

[QUOTE=tonyk79;15655748] Just finished watching Revenge of the Sith on blu ray on my new 3d tv using the 2d-3d option and some of the scenes have some great depth to them [QUOTE]

I really dont beleive you said that! after finally being happy with my tv setup i decided to start watching my boxset and only have ROTJ to go!!

NOW !! i goto watch them all again with 2D-3D on

[tonyk79]

Just think how much more er.. Personal jar jar is going to be!!

[darren68uk]

Originally Posted by tonyk79

Just think how much more er.. Personal jar jar is going to be!!

eh yeh maybe i'll sit afew rows back


on a side note after watching the ROTJ i thought it might be a good idea to try and read up on the whole starwars saga and i dont know why but i thought there where nine books originally on star wars

but wiki showed me there was alot more so maybe i wont bother with some LIGHT reading

[raigraphixs]

Star Trek Crew watches Star Wars IV - YouTube

[quarry2006]

Originally Posted by darren68uk

eh yeh maybe i'll sit afew rows back


on a side note after watching the ROTJ i thought it might be a good idea to try and read up on the whole starwars saga and i dont know why but i thought there where nine books originally on star wars

but wiki showed me there was alot more so maybe i wont bother with some LIGHT reading

All those books - and yes, there's a lot - are classed as EU (or Expanded Universe). They're not really canon, although Lucasfilm has a strict edict of what can and can't happen in them. And with so many writers dipping their toe into the Star Wars universe, quality does vary a lot.

If you were going to read any of the books, though, you could do a lot worse than the trilogy by Timothy Zahn, set after Return Of The Jedi. It's excellent

To find out more about the mooted nine parts of the saga, read Alan Arnold's Once Upon A Galaxy: A Journal Of The Making Of The Empire Strikes Back. It's a great little book, sadly out of print, so maybe a search on Ebay will come up trumps for you.

[quarry2006]

Originally Posted by Geoff_D

Really? Alrighty then. Explains why he's so bloody big on that TERRIBLE poster for the Phantom Menace 3D.

If you think back, though, in 1999 Maul was the poster boy for episode one, which is why so many were disappointed at his lack of screen time in the film. So the fact that he dominates the poster (and that Jar Jar doesn't feature at all) is pretty much in line with what happened the first time the film came out.

[quarry2006]

Originally Posted by raigraphixs

There's a new book available called Star Wars Art: Comics


Star Wars Art: Comics - YouTube

Now this looks a real treat.

[Garrett]

Originally Posted by quarry2006

If you were going to read any of the books, though, you could do a lot worse than the trilogy by Timothy Zahn, set after Return Of The Jedi. It's excellent

Agreed I realy enjoyed them and was nice to see, or I could see the point of view or Grand Admaral Thrawn's. Both he and Mara Jade are great charaters

[quarry2006]

I wholeheartedly agree with you there, Garrett. Zahn has created two very believable and fully realised characters in Thrawn and Mara Jade. I know he's written more Star Wars stuff since then but, having all-but given up on the EU, I've not read them.

Another book that seems to have scored highly with the fans is Vector Prime by R.A. Salvatore (what is it with these writers who refuse to give us their full names?!). It brought a dramatic change of pace to a series which had become moribund and redundant by this point.

[SDMDAM]

I must admit that I really liked the Zhan trilogy too and the characters of Thrawn and Mara are very good. I used to read all of the SW books but gave up after the NJO books. I thought that the NJO story dragged out a bit too long. I did enjoy other SW books though including I, Jedi and some of the X-Wing books. I also enjoyed the young Han Solo trilogy and keep meaning to go back and read the Han Solo trilogy written by Brian Daley.

[quarry2006]

The late Brian Daley wrote three brilliant Han Solo books (I think he also scripted the radio series of Return Of The Jedi) and I would recommend reading them to any Star Wars fan.

After Timothy Zahn's books I read Shadows Of The Empire and thought it was poorly written for the most part although it was an interesting story and the novel was only part of what was a multi-media event for Star Wars. I believe someone lent me something written by Kevin J Anderson and I thought it was dreck. It put me off the EU for good until my daughter bought me a Clone Wars novel and since then I've read the odd prequel-era book.

Some day I'm sure I'll read the New Jedi Order series because I like the direction Star Wars took at that point.