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ODB_69 · 30-03-2012, 2:09 AM

I want one!

MarkusThatch · 30-03-2012, 3:21 PM

Love it but I break those cases getting them on. Much safer with silicone cases me.

quarry2006 · 04-04-2012, 10:06 AM

Check out the review of Michael Kaminski's Secret History Of Star Wars:

The Secret History of Star Wars Review - Comics Review at IGN

This has been available online for quite some time so I don't really know why anyone would want to buy it (especially at the current retail price, which is just ridiculous).

The review on IGN is spot-on, though, and reflects my own impressions when I attempted a read-through a couple of years ago. The book offers no new interviews or insights from the people involved with the creative process and instead comes across as a sprawling attempt to discredit Lucas at every turn. Indeed, if Mr Kaminski had simply called his book Why I Hate George Lucas it would have been a more accurate summation.

As I say, I only attempted to read it when I found a link online. I found it very hard to get through, partly because of the tone but also because of the style of writing. I read enough of it, though, to come to the conclusion that Michael Kaminski seems the sort of person who would turn up at the doors of Skywalker Ranch to accuse Lucas of stealing all his good ideas so he could pass them off as his own. A bit like Stephen King's Secret Window, Secret Garden really.

Geoff_D · 04-04-2012, 2:06 PM

I bought it a while back.

You're absolutely right about the tone of the book, quarry. Matey seems intent on proving what a bad man George Lucas is at every turn, and although he uses numerous quotes and interviews as the basis for his findings he tends to come up with some wildly exaggerated conclusions, and is flat-out wrong in certain parts.

TheyCallMeTJ · 04-04-2012, 2:19 PM

Sounds like a book I must never read!

quarry2006 · 04-04-2012, 10:24 PM

It'll just annoy you, TJ! It has a pompous, sanctimonious air that reminds me of me at my worst! No wonder I didn't like it!

Geoff...you didn't really buy it did you, mate?! Something I remember from reading it is that he puts a great deal of emphasis on the fact that Lucas rewrote the screenplay so many times. I don't think he realises that when he picks a book of the shelves in Waterstones that the story he's about to read has already gone through a load of drafts. Bless

Apparently the best books currently available on the making of the films - the original trilogy at least - are those by J.W. Rinzler (he also did the Making of and The Art of Revenge Of The Sith, both fabulous). But for the exploration of the mythology of episodes four to six, check out Star Wars: The Magic Of Myth by Mary Henderson. Utterly brilliant and I hope she turns her talents to the prequels some day.

Geoff_D · 04-04-2012, 11:09 PM

Yes, I bought it. I hate reading big chunks of text on t' internet, it makes my eyes hurt. Which shows you how much agony I go through to craft one of my trademark lengthy posts. :lol:

As for Mr Rinzler, I love his 'making of' books. His chronological ordering is simple but incredibly effective, giving us a real sense of the daily toil needed to make a moving picture.

raigraphixs · 05-04-2012, 9:16 PM

Donny and Marie Osmond, Kris Kristofferson as Han Solo, in 70's Donny & Marie Variety Show

TheyCallMeTJ · 05-04-2012, 10:10 PM

For a split second, I found myself reaching for my remote to adjust the tracking...

raigraphixs · 05-04-2012, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TheyCallMeTJ

For a split second, I found myself reaching for my remote to adjust the tracking...

Great times

quarry2006 · 05-04-2012, 10:33 PM

Not all of Star Wars's embarrassing moments involve Gungans

MarkyMark70 · 06-04-2012, 7:35 PM

Looks like some of Lionel Blair's DNA got mixed up with the clone troopers... Grooving troopers freaky! Thanks (I think!) for sharing ; )

TheyCallMeTJ · 08-04-2012, 4:16 PM

Watched the Star Wars Resurrection volumes 0 and 1 that Raigraphix posted on the Short movies thread several months ago. Well its not that short, its a full hour and a half altogether but they're bloody good. Good production and story. Has the spiritual feel of Battlestar Galactica and is like the Silmarillion for Star Wars.

quarry2006 · 08-04-2012, 11:45 PM

With that last sentence, TJ, you're not really selling it to me!

TheyCallMeTJ · 09-04-2012, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by quarry2006

With that last sentence, TJ, you're not really selling it to me!

Yeah you're right, thank god I'm not in marketing! OK, its more like the fan movie Born of Hope (the LOTR story of Arathorn, Aragon's father) except this takes place a few centuries after Rotj but its played out more poetically with absolutely no Star wars music at all, the mood is more BSG...ok I've really killed it now

Switch625 · 09-04-2012, 12:12 PM

Uncle Arthur???

quarry2006 · 09-04-2012, 8:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheyCallMeTJ

Yeah you're right, thank god I'm not in marketing! OK, its more like the fan movie Born of Hope (the LOTR story of Arathorn, Aragon's father) except this takes place a few centuries after Rotj but its played out more poetically with absolutely no Star wars music at all, the mood is more BSG...ok I've really killed it now

MarkusThatch · 12-04-2012, 8:58 AM

The Mrs was out last night so fired up some more of S3 of the clone wars - very enjoyable stuff. I watched the 'witches' episodes which (arf) were some of the better episodes I've seen so far, really enjoyed the sith v sith v jedi v sith v droids etc showdowns. Also watched the 'Mortis' episodes. Hmmm. Not sure I liked them to be honest, other than the vision that Anakin has it just didn't feel very Star Warsy, although it was good seeing a familiar face appear via the force. Just been introduced to a 'Captain Tarkin' - I wonder what becomes of him...

quarry2006 · 12-04-2012, 9:02 PM

It's nice to see so many of the designs that were originally done for the films finding they way into The Clone Wars. Mother Talzin, for example, comes from an unused concept for a character that was to be in Attack Of The Clones. While the Witches Of Dathomir are from the EU book The Courtship Of Princess Leia.

I've only watched the Mortis trilogy once but I was really impressed with it. It raised a lot of questions and didn't provide any easy answers. No, it didn't feel "Star Warsy" but it reached into the mythos and explored it all a bit more. Some of us have lived with Star Wars for so many years now; it's nice for a series like The Clone Wars to come along and start turning things on their head.

Geoff_D · 12-04-2012, 11:16 PM

It's always fun to go through the 'art of' books (or whatever) and spot the designs and concepts which wound up in a subsequent movie, or indeed the TV shows.

LOVED the Mortis trilogy. By distilling the Force into three characters it was a simple examination of how it's kept in balance - this is a kid's show, after all - but it was still damned cool to see the mythology expanded in such a way.

quarry2006 · 13-04-2012, 12:37 AM

Absolutely. Just like the films, underneath the surface sheen of lightsabres and high octane space battles, there's some deep ideas being explored.

Y'know, I think I may crack open a bottle of red tomorrow night and sit down with the Mortis trilogy again. 'Tis a Friday after all.

I love to immerse myself in the Art Of books. One was done for the first season of Clone Wars but they didn't seem to do a follow-up

MarkusThatch · 13-04-2012, 7:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geoff_D

It's always fun to go through the 'art of' books (or whatever) and spot the designs and concepts which wound up in a subsequent movie, or indeed the TV shows.

LOVED the Mortis trilogy. By distilling the Force into three characters it was a simple examination of how it's kept in balance - this is a kid's show, after all - but it was still damned cool to see the mythology expanded in such a way.

I wasn't impressed with the design of sister, looked a bit manga-lite via battle of the planets. I just felt it seemed like a massive diversion from the plot threads to date. The series as a whole feels a bit like that, almost lacking cohesion.

Also thought Mortis seemed a bit too dark for a kids series considering other episodes have the bumbling gungan. Mind you the witches trilogy was pretty hardcore so maybe in my dotage I'm not giving kids enough credit.

I'm really thinking though that Ahsoka's continued presence seems silly considering there's no mention of her in ROTS.

quarry2006 · 13-04-2012, 9:22 PM

There's no mention of the rising rebellion in ROTS either. Or the resurrected Darth Maul. Or Cad Bane.

If the series only stuck to what was in the films and nothing else, it would be pretty limited.

I always liked Ahsoka and never subscribed to the fanboy hatred of her. I think the idea of Yoda setting Anakin a test of his attachment was a good idea and she's grown as a character to the point where her eventual fate will be very moving when it's revealed.

As for the dark stuff, if the kids can deal with ROTS then they can deal with anything I think

Geoff_D · 13-04-2012, 10:46 PM

I've always liked Ahsoka too. But it does kinda suck that there's not even the merest mention of her in Sith, no matter what her fate will be. Still, Clone Wars Anakin does come across as much more upbeat than his on-screen counterpart, so perhaps Anakin's darker mood in Sith is a direct result of whatever happens to his young apprentice.

quarry2006 · 14-04-2012, 7:58 AM

Well, this is the problem that some fans had with Count Dooku, that there was no mention of him in The Phantom Menace. Personally, these things don't annoy me (but you know how much of an apologist I am!) and obviously the only real reason the likes of Ahsoka and Dooku aren't mentioned is that these characters were thought of after the event.

Even with the presence of Ahsoka, we still get that close friendship between Obi-wan and Anakin first mentioned in A New Hope. That's one of the most important elements of the series for me.

MarkusThatch · 14-04-2012, 8:42 AM

The problem is Ahsoka's been around for too long - although I'll admit seeing the future vision of Aksoka was... more interesting than I ought to admit to so to speak.

quarry2006 · 14-04-2012, 9:41 AM

I think she's got better as she's got older, though, and having her around reminds me of the kind of chemistry that existed between Han, Leia and Luke. That element of the originals was the one aspect in which those films were superior to the prequels in my opinion. Having that brought back for The Clone Wars was somewhat reassuring for an old fart like me!

I made the mistake of watching the Mortis trilogy last night whilst having a few beers. I ended up falling asleep halfway through the second episode

MarkusThatch · 14-04-2012, 6:47 PM

It just doesn't seem right that she's been around for so long. I don't dislike the character just doesn't make sense having her around this long.

quarry2006 · 15-04-2012, 8:38 AM

Well, I wouldn't be surprised if she lasted until the end of the series. I don't know how many seasons this is supposed to run for or if Filoni and Lucas even know how it's going to end. The original cartoon ended at the point where Obi-wan and Anakin get the call to go and rescue the Chancellor so I would expect this series to end before that, given that Lucas has said that both iterations of The Clone Wars are canon - and, as we know, George never changes his mind

MarkusThatch · 15-04-2012, 9:27 AM

He doesn't change his mind unless it involves questions of timings of gun duels.

It's just a minor irritation for me her continued inclusion but there's so much going on it's not a deal breaker by any means.

I'm with you about using this style instead of the proposed live action series set between III & IV. It allows for spectacular action and visuals and really I know he said this new series wouldn't involve Vader but how much more interesting would it be to see Vader stomping around the galaxy at the height of his powers extinguishing the remnants of the Jedi. Plus it strikes me it would be boom time for the bounty hunters and seeing Fett, Dengar etc as they establish themselves would be quite something, not forgetting Jabba's corpulent excesses.

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30-03-2012, 3:21 PM	#692
MarkusThatch Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Thanks: Gave 664, Got 326 Posts: 5,516	Love it but I break those cases getting them on. Much safer with silicone cases me.

04-04-2012, 10:06 AM	#693
quarry2006 Prominent Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Thanks: Gave 125, Got 187 Posts: 3,659	Check out the review of Michael Kaminski's Secret History Of Star Wars: The Secret History of Star Wars Review - Comics Review at IGN This has been available online for quite some time so I don't really know why anyone would want to buy it (especially at the current retail price, which is just ridiculous). The review on IGN is spot-on, though, and reflects my own impressions when I attempted a read-through a couple of years ago. The book offers no new interviews or insights from the people involved with the creative process and instead comes across as a sprawling attempt to discredit Lucas at every turn. Indeed, if Mr Kaminski had simply called his book Why I Hate George Lucas it would have been a more accurate summation. As I say, I only attempted to read it when I found a link online. I found it very hard to get through, partly because of the tone but also because of the style of writing. I read enough of it, though, to come to the conclusion that Michael Kaminski seems the sort of person who would turn up at the doors of Skywalker Ranch to accuse Lucas of stealing all his good ideas so he could pass them off as his own. A bit like Stephen King's Secret Window, Secret Garden really.

04-04-2012, 2:06 PM	#694
Geoff_D Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Spider Skull Island Thanks: Gave 364, Got 592 Posts: 5,364	I bought it a while back. You're absolutely right about the tone of the book, quarry. Matey seems intent on proving what a bad man George Lucas is at every turn, and although he uses numerous quotes and interviews as the basis for his findings he tends to come up with some wildly exaggerated conclusions, and is flat-out wrong in certain parts.

04-04-2012, 2:19 PM	#695
TheyCallMeTJ Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: London Thanks: Gave 764, Got 357 Posts: 1,813	Sounds like a book I must never read!

04-04-2012, 10:24 PM	#696
quarry2006 Prominent Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Thanks: Gave 125, Got 187 Posts: 3,659	It'll just annoy you, TJ! It has a pompous, sanctimonious air that reminds me of me at my worst! No wonder I didn't like it! Geoff...you didn't really buy it did you, mate?! Something I remember from reading it is that he puts a great deal of emphasis on the fact that Lucas rewrote the screenplay so many times. I don't think he realises that when he picks a book of the shelves in Waterstones that the story he's about to read has already gone through a load of drafts. Bless Apparently the best books currently available on the making of the films - the original trilogy at least - are those by J.W. Rinzler (he also did the Making of and The Art of Revenge Of The Sith, both fabulous). But for the exploration of the mythology of episodes four to six, check out Star Wars: The Magic Of Myth by Mary Henderson. Utterly brilliant and I hope she turns her talents to the prequels some day.

04-04-2012, 11:09 PM	#697
Geoff_D Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Spider Skull Island Thanks: Gave 364, Got 592 Posts: 5,364	Yes, I bought it. I hate reading big chunks of text on t' internet, it makes my eyes hurt. Which shows you how much agony I go through to craft one of my trademark lengthy posts. :lol: As for Mr Rinzler, I love his 'making of' books. His chronological ordering is simple but incredibly effective, giving us a real sense of the daily toil needed to make a moving picture.

05-04-2012, 10:10 PM	#699
TheyCallMeTJ Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: London Thanks: Gave 764, Got 357 Posts: 1,813	For a split second, I found myself reaching for my remote to adjust the tracking...

05-04-2012, 10:33 PM	#701
quarry2006 Prominent Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Thanks: Gave 125, Got 187 Posts: 3,659	Not all of Star Wars's embarrassing moments involve Gungans

06-04-2012, 7:35 PM	#702
MarkyMark70 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Thanks: Gave 184, Got 65 Posts: 426	Looks like some of Lionel Blair's DNA got mixed up with the clone troopers... Grooving troopers freaky! Thanks (I think!) for sharing ; )

08-04-2012, 4:16 PM	#703
TheyCallMeTJ Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: London Thanks: Gave 764, Got 357 Posts: 1,813	Watched the Star Wars Resurrection volumes 0 and 1 that Raigraphix posted on the Short movies thread several months ago. Well its not that short, its a full hour and a half altogether but they're bloody good. Good production and story. Has the spiritual feel of Battlestar Galactica and is like the Silmarillion for Star Wars.

08-04-2012, 11:45 PM	#704
quarry2006 Prominent Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Thanks: Gave 125, Got 187 Posts: 3,659	With that last sentence, TJ, you're not really selling it to me!

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12-04-2012, 8:58 AM	#708
MarkusThatch Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Thanks: Gave 664, Got 326 Posts: 5,516	The Mrs was out last night so fired up some more of S3 of the clone wars - very enjoyable stuff. I watched the 'witches' episodes which (arf) were some of the better episodes I've seen so far, really enjoyed the sith v sith v jedi v sith v droids etc showdowns. Also watched the 'Mortis' episodes. Hmmm. Not sure I liked them to be honest, other than the vision that Anakin has it just didn't feel very Star Warsy, although it was good seeing a familiar face appear via the force. Just been introduced to a 'Captain Tarkin' - I wonder what becomes of him...

12-04-2012, 9:02 PM	#709
quarry2006 Prominent Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Thanks: Gave 125, Got 187 Posts: 3,659	It's nice to see so many of the designs that were originally done for the films finding they way into The Clone Wars. Mother Talzin, for example, comes from an unused concept for a character that was to be in Attack Of The Clones. While the Witches Of Dathomir are from the EU book The Courtship Of Princess Leia. I've only watched the Mortis trilogy once but I was really impressed with it. It raised a lot of questions and didn't provide any easy answers. No, it didn't feel "Star Warsy" but it reached into the mythos and explored it all a bit more. Some of us have lived with Star Wars for so many years now; it's nice for a series like The Clone Wars to come along and start turning things on their head.

12-04-2012, 11:16 PM	#710
Geoff_D Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Spider Skull Island Thanks: Gave 364, Got 592 Posts: 5,364	It's always fun to go through the 'art of' books (or whatever) and spot the designs and concepts which wound up in a subsequent movie, or indeed the TV shows. LOVED the Mortis trilogy. By distilling the Force into three characters it was a simple examination of how it's kept in balance - this is a kid's show, after all - but it was still damned cool to see the mythology expanded in such a way.

13-04-2012, 12:37 AM	#711
quarry2006 Prominent Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Thanks: Gave 125, Got 187 Posts: 3,659	Absolutely. Just like the films, underneath the surface sheen of lightsabres and high octane space battles, there's some deep ideas being explored. Y'know, I think I may crack open a bottle of red tomorrow night and sit down with the Mortis trilogy again. 'Tis a Friday after all. I love to immerse myself in the Art Of books. One was done for the first season of Clone Wars but they didn't seem to do a follow-up

13-04-2012, 9:22 PM	#713
quarry2006 Prominent Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Thanks: Gave 125, Got 187 Posts: 3,659	There's no mention of the rising rebellion in ROTS either. Or the resurrected Darth Maul. Or Cad Bane. If the series only stuck to what was in the films and nothing else, it would be pretty limited. I always liked Ahsoka and never subscribed to the fanboy hatred of her. I think the idea of Yoda setting Anakin a test of his attachment was a good idea and she's grown as a character to the point where her eventual fate will be very moving when it's revealed. As for the dark stuff, if the kids can deal with ROTS then they can deal with anything I think

13-04-2012, 10:46 PM	#714
Geoff_D Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Spider Skull Island Thanks: Gave 364, Got 592 Posts: 5,364	I've always liked Ahsoka too. But it does kinda suck that there's not even the merest mention of her in Sith, no matter what her fate will be. Still, Clone Wars Anakin does come across as much more upbeat than his on-screen counterpart, so perhaps Anakin's darker mood in Sith is a direct result of whatever happens to his young apprentice.

14-04-2012, 7:58 AM	#715
quarry2006 Prominent Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Thanks: Gave 125, Got 187 Posts: 3,659	Well, this is the problem that some fans had with Count Dooku, that there was no mention of him in The Phantom Menace. Personally, these things don't annoy me (but you know how much of an apologist I am!) and obviously the only real reason the likes of Ahsoka and Dooku aren't mentioned is that these characters were thought of after the event. Even with the presence of Ahsoka, we still get that close friendship between Obi-wan and Anakin first mentioned in A New Hope. That's one of the most important elements of the series for me.

14-04-2012, 8:42 AM	#716
MarkusThatch Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Thanks: Gave 664, Got 326 Posts: 5,516	The problem is Ahsoka's been around for too long - although I'll admit seeing the future vision of Aksoka was... more interesting than I ought to admit to so to speak.

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14-04-2012, 9:41 AM	#717
quarry2006 Prominent Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Thanks: Gave 125, Got 187 Posts: 3,659	I think she's got better as she's got older, though, and having her around reminds me of the kind of chemistry that existed between Han, Leia and Luke. That element of the originals was the one aspect in which those films were superior to the prequels in my opinion. Having that brought back for The Clone Wars was somewhat reassuring for an old fart like me! I made the mistake of watching the Mortis trilogy last night whilst having a few beers. I ended up falling asleep halfway through the second episode

14-04-2012, 6:47 PM	#718
MarkusThatch Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Thanks: Gave 664, Got 326 Posts: 5,516	It just doesn't seem right that she's been around for so long. I don't dislike the character just doesn't make sense having her around this long.

15-04-2012, 8:38 AM	#719
quarry2006 Prominent Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Thanks: Gave 125, Got 187 Posts: 3,659	Well, I wouldn't be surprised if she lasted until the end of the series. I don't know how many seasons this is supposed to run for or if Filoni and Lucas even know how it's going to end. The original cartoon ended at the point where Obi-wan and Anakin get the call to go and rescue the Chancellor so I would expect this series to end before that, given that Lucas has said that both iterations of The Clone Wars are canon - and, as we know, George never changes his mind

15-04-2012, 9:27 AM	#720
MarkusThatch Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Thanks: Gave 664, Got 326 Posts: 5,516	He doesn't change his mind unless it involves questions of timings of gun duels. It's just a minor irritation for me her continued inclusion but there's so much going on it's not a deal breaker by any means. I'm with you about using this style instead of the proposed live action series set between III & IV. It allows for spectacular action and visuals and really I know he said this new series wouldn't involve Vader but how much more interesting would it be to see Vader stomping around the galaxy at the height of his powers extinguishing the remnants of the Jedi. Plus it strikes me it would be boom time for the bounty hunters and seeing Fett, Dengar etc as they establish themselves would be quite something, not forgetting Jabba's corpulent excesses.