[maverick177uk]

Originally Posted by robase007

Smashing into a pillar doesn't constitute a great fight.Look the first Bourne movie. The first fight in
his apartment,a combination of martial arts and boxing.Very well choreographed and you could see what was going on.Bourne using his environment to out class his opponent.In this fight everything to closed in and you can't really get to appreciate the fight. It's well known that Nolan is not very good at shooting fight scenes.look again, he cuts very quickly and the editing is uneven.But as long as you liked the movie thats the most important thing.I don't think it's up to Nolan's standards.I expected more.

No but brutal as in the power and speed of the punches dished out by Batman and particularly Bane, the Bourne fights although good felt more choreographed than the Batman ones which were more like a street brawl than a display of martial arts. But like you say as long as we enjoyed it what does it matter

[jalaldevil]

Bourne films are choreographed very well but the editing sucks ass too, I'm not a fan of this new shaky style and extremely quick shots that has somehow become industry standard. Same goes for Quantum of Solace and Safe House too.

The Batman films were tolerable as they didn't rely on the constant quick cuts.

[onebelo]

Originally Posted by jalaldevil

Bourne films are choreographed very well but the editing sucks ass too, I'm not a fan of this new shaky style and extremely quick shots that has somehow become industry standard. Same goes for Quantum of Solace and Safe House too.

The Batman films were tolerable as they didn't rely on the constant quick cuts.

oh man.. quick cuts, shakey cam and all that jazz are my biggest pet peeve right now... seriously.... i dont understand how directors or viewers can look at these scenes and be like 'yup, that was good'

you mentioned QoS... just have a look at this scene... i may aswell be closing my eyes, total joke... and this is so damn common nowadays

Quantum of Solace - Bell Tower Fight Scene - YouTube

[robase007]

Originally Posted by onebelo

oh man.. quick cuts, shakey cam and all that jazz are my biggest pet peeve right now... seriously.... i dont understand how directors or viewers can look at these scenes and be like 'yup, that was good'

you mentioned QoS... just have a look at this scene... i may aswell be closing my eyes, total joke... and this is so damn common nowadays

Video Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osbm7A8cWLg

I was talking about the first Bourne directed by Doug Linman. I didn't like the Paul Greengrass ones.

[robase007]

Originally Posted by jalaldevil

Bourne films are choreographed very well but the editing sucks ass too, I'm not a fan of this new shaky style and extremely quick shots that has somehow become industry standard. Same goes for Quantum of Solace and Safe House too.

The Batman films were tolerable as they didn't rely on the constant quick cuts.

I was talking about the Doug Linman one. Didn't care for the Paul Greegrass sequels.

[jalaldevil]

ah, no dispute there. Linman was clearly the better director and even made the best film of the three imo, loved the fight scenes and the chase sequence in the original.

[raycoleman]

Weren't most of Nolan's Batman films extremely stable though? I didn't see any shaky bits throughout the entire thing. Dude's a fan of classic film making, not those avant-garde bs.

[spidermanalf]

Not sure if it's been mentioned before, and not about to read a million posts, but this has been really annoying me

Have put as a spoiler -

 

at the stock exchange it is all light and bright, with you know, it being the daytime and when the computer programme which takes 9 minutes, to load up finishes after the car chase etc, it is night time! Not just dusk, but full on middle of the night. Is this a nod to the of X-Men 3 where it does the same?

[Azzin]

Anyone else spot the

 

Easyjet plane

!?

[Glenn01]

Anyone thinking that TDKR is mediocre should re-watch the '97 film "Batman & Robin"

It was on ITV4 last night and oh dear I had forgotton just how bad it was ... so bad I was cringing watching it and hey even Bane is in it

It is shocking and I only watched the first 20 mins or so, that was enough. Totally garbage and embarrassing to the Batman franchise.

If that was the last Batman movie to be made before Nolan got his hands on it and re-invented the franchise, well he totally transformed it beyond belief.

The only thing that did make me laugh was Arnie as Mr Freeze saying ... "you're not sending me to the cooler"

[Gunhawk]

Originally Posted by Glenn01

Anyone thinking that TDKR is mediocre should re-watch the '97 film "Batman & Robin"

It was on ITV4 last night and oh dear I had forgotton just how bad it was ... so bad I was cringing watching it and hey even Bane is in it

It is shocking and I only watched the first 20 mins or so, that was enough. Totally garbage and embarrassing to the Batman franchise.

If that was the last Batman movie to be made before Nolan got his hands on it and re-invented the franchise, well he totally transformed it beyond belief.

The only thing that did make me laugh was Arnie as Mr Freeze saying ... "you're not sending me to the cooler"

lol yep i caught 20 mins or so of this last night to, about an hour in....my god i couldnt believe the camp tv show throwback of this, even had comedy sound affects added to the bad guys when they were thrown around etc.

it was painful to watch...thank god for Nolan!

[raigraphixs]

SoundWorks Collection - The Sound and Music of The Dark Knight Rises (Spoilers possible)

>> Video

[Steven]

Thinking about it one odd bit during the Imax viewing was dim red ceiling lights being shown onto a few seats? Went off again few minutes later. Anyone in the know?

Originally Posted by Azzin

Anyone else spot the

 

Easyjet plane

!?

No but will look out for it on second viewing in few weeks

[raigraphixs]

THE DARK KNIGHT RAGES (Batman Plays Video Games) - YouTube

[Sick Note]

Originally Posted by raigraphixs

SoundWorks Collection - The Sound and Music of The Dark Knight Rises (Spoilers possible)

>> Video

Very interesting insight thanks. Still think it sucks that Zimmer never mentions James Newton Howard at all. Lots of the signature themes in the first 2movies came from him, especially the strings and lighter moments.

[richp007]

I saw this earlier tonight. A fantastic ending to the trilogy. Not quite as good as TDK, but it came as close as it possibly could.

I liked the theme in this one too. He lived long enough to see himself become the villain in TDK, but in this one....

 

he lived long enough to see himself die the hero

Great performance from Anne Hathaway too, and my did she look good!!

i'll probably go and see it again before it finishes. Strangely I had no issue with Bane's voice either, it seemed pretty clear to me. A few moments where it wasn't totally coherent, but I knew what he was saying.

The only downside of the film where these 3 things. I'll spoiler them -

 

1. The demise of Bane was too quick. Catwoman shoots him on the bike and that's it. Plus it was out of character for him to try and kill Batman at the end. Against Talia's wishes.

2. There was no need for that lady to call Blake "Robin". We didn't need that. It would have been better left out, as Robin implies that Batman was coming back at some point. Which he wasn't.

3. Sadly this wasn't something Nolan could do a thing about, but doing what Bane did, The Joker would have had to have played a part. Especially if Scarecrow/Crane got a role. Joker wasn't going to be on the sidelines after all the prisoners were freed. And we had to assume Joker was in there as it was the result of the Harvey Dent act all those prisoners were there. And certainly Joker would have been put in there too. But as I said, Nolan couldn't have had anyone else play Joker. That was impossible.

But overall, excellent work. I don't think this franchise can be rebooted again. It's an impossible task.

[mooperman]

Originally Posted by richp007

 

3. Sadly this wasn't something Nolan could do a thing about, but doing what Bane did, The Joker would have had to have played a part. Especially if Scarecrow/Crane got a role. Joker wasn't going to be on the sidelines after all the prisoners were freed. And we had to assume Joker was in there as it was the result of the Harvey Dent act all those prisoners were there. And certainly Joker would have been put in there too. But as I said, Nolan couldn't have had anyone else play Joker. That was impossible

.

personally i think

 

Daniel Day Lewis couldve nailed the joker if not done a better job of it, he goes from normal to crazy at the flick of a switch in Gangs of New York. Nolan was happy to change casting for Rachel Dawes so i dont see the issue personally.

Finally to add, i think Bane couldve achieved all this without the joker no problem, it does irk me slightly that the joker doesnt even get a mention after everything thats happened

but hey ho....

[Somnambulist]

He's mentioned in the novelisaion.

[mooperman]

Originally Posted by Somnambulist

He's mentioned in the novelisaion.

would you explain with spoiler tags please?

[QuestShield]

I believe that The Joker

 

was in Arkham Asylum on his lonesome. Brooding, waiting for a chance to strike back..at the Batman!

[richp007]

Sadly I can't see spoilers with this useless AVF app so I will have to respond later when I can get the proper website up!!

[PU6HY]

Originally Posted by richp007

Sadly I can't see spoilers with this useless AVF app so I will have to respond later when I can get the proper website up!!

I copy the blank text and paste it into Notes app if I want to see Spoilers from the app.

[IL Cattivo]

Originally Posted by Glenn01

Anyone thinking that TDKR is mediocre should re-watch the '97 film "Batman & Robin"

It was on ITV4 last night and oh dear I had forgotton just how bad it was ... so bad I was cringing watching it and hey even Bane is in it

It is shocking and I only watched the first 20 mins or so, that was enough. Totally garbage and embarrassing to the Batman franchise.

If that was the last Batman movie to be made before Nolan got his hands on it and re-invented the franchise, well he totally transformed it beyond belief.

The only thing that did make me laugh was Arnie as Mr Freeze saying ... "you're not sending me to the cooler"

Originally Posted by Gunhawk

lol yep i caught 20 mins or so of this last night to, about an hour in....my god i couldnt believe the camp tv show throwback of this, even had comedy sound affects added to the bad guys when they were thrown around etc.

it was painful to watch...thank god for Nolan!

You have Joel Schumacher to blame there.... Quite possibly one of the worst directors around. Whomever gave him the keys to the Batman franchise should've been shot....

[MarkusThatch]

Originally Posted by QuestShield

I believe that The Joker

 

was in Arkham Asylum on his lonesome. Brooding, waiting for a chance to strike back..at the Batman!

So if they did

 

continue the series perhaps with Nolan as writer or producer maybe they'll hire a new actor for the joker to go up against Blakes' Batman? I really hope this isn't the last we'll see of this particular Batman universe.

[TheyCallMeTJ]

I like the Shumacher films They were made as camp movies and were fun...in fact hilarious. These are dumb movies but deliberate and they provided me with a lot of smiles and laughs! Its unfair to call Schumacher the worst director, he's actually a very good director who made Falling Down, The Lost Boys and St Elmo's fire and other apparantly noteworthy film that I havent seen. What they did wrong was they sold it as serious Batman movies, they should have marketed it as p-take comedies and on that level they are quite funny, I especially like Carey's Riddle and Arnie is hilariously bad but he's Arnie, man. I havent seen them in ages though, its possible I may not feel as protective now if I watch them again but first viewing impressions are what matters anyway

[Glenn01]

Batman Forever was bad enough when it was released in 1997 !
But ... time has not been kind to it and with the release of Nolan's trilogy it is just total garbage (IMO).
It really was embarrassing to watch it the other night on tv, it was cringe-worthy.
Our view of Batman has changed so much now with Nolan's take on The Dark Knight.

[Somnambulist]

Originally Posted by MarkusThatch

So if they did

 

continue the series perhaps with Nolan as writer or producer maybe they'll hire a new actor for the joker to go up against Blakes' Batman? I really hope this isn't the last we'll see of this particular Batman universe.

 

While it's set up that Blake will be the one to take the mantle, the trilogy has very much been written as 3 films and three films only - according to Goyer they wanted a closed trilogy that encapsulated the esscence of Batman's stories over the years but set within a finite timespan/universe - it's Wayne's arc and that's it. The ending is essentially giving you enough information for you to continue the universe in the confines of your own imagination (or FanFics lulz) and wasn't done as a 'leaving the door open' type thing.

It's annoying in a way - when did Bruce and Selina reunite and couple up afterwards? How many years before Gordon needed to light the Bat Signal again? Does Fox help Blake? Was Alfred invited to be Bruce's best man?! - but ultimately it's like how Nolan didn't go in depth about any character's backstory except Bruce's - he's left it for you to fill in the blanks.

It's why as much as I'd love to see more Selina Kyle, I think it'd be better if it's left alone. If Nolan isn't directing, Pfister isn't DP etc (which they won't be) it isn't going to be the same and it'll just tarnish the good work they did. He can always recast Hathaway for new characters/stories like Ang Lee did though. <3

[Somnambulist]

Originally Posted by mooperman

would you explain with spoiler tags please?

It's in one of my posts in the last few pages where I posted a few extra bits from the novel (by Greg Cox) - he had access to the shooting script and commented that the final film is VERY close to it, which means there's not a great deal that was cut from the film.

[TheyCallMeTJ]

Originally Posted by Glenn01

Batman Forever was bad enough when it was released in 1997 !
But ... time has not been kind to it and with the release of Nolan's trilogy it is just total garbage (IMO).
It really was embarrassing to watch it the other night on tv, it was cringe-worthy.
Our view of Batman has changed so much now with Nolan's take on The Dark Knight.

I'm sure it does Glen! Which is why I wont watch them again so soon after Nolan's films. But in time, I think I will be in the mood to laugh at Carey and Arnie getting top billing in the Superman scrolling type credits I know I am certainly in the minority that doesnt think the Shoemacher films are far from being an abomination!

[JamesP1701]

Currently sat in Sheffield IMAX about to see it for the 2nd time. My first IMAX experience-the screen is both wider and taller than my house!