[Todd Tomorrow]

Originally Posted by Courtjezter

No Serenity in that list.....Get out now.

Maybe great if you were a fan of the series, but as a stand alone sci-fi film it doesn't cut the mustard. The Firefly pilot was better than the feature film and I found the series just a tad overrated. Like all Joss Whedon shows, Firefly probably would have lived up to its potential by season 2, had it not been cancelled.

[Courtjezter]

Originally Posted by lucasisking

Edit: I think Pitch Black deserves a mention also. The action may have been fairly generic but it contained a few neat sci-fi concepts that make it worthy science fiction.

I agree about Pitch Black, i thought it was a very enjoyable film, with a few neat twists too it also. The Alien species in it was not to dissimilar to the Alien Xenomorph, if i remember correctly, except for the flying ones.

Maybe great if you were a fan of the series, but as a stand alone sci-fi film it doesn't cut the mustard. The Firefly pilot was better than the feature film and I found the series just a tad overrated. Like all Joss Whedon shows, Firefly probably would have lived up to its potential by season 2, had it not been cancelled.

I agree with you on that point, as a Sci fi film it probably didn't cut the mustard. The story itself could have been relocated to a number of other scenarios. Oh, the potentialy awesome second season, the stuff of dreams.

[Laubi02]

hahaha

i delibrately cut off serenity knowing people may voice their opinion

like todd mentioned, i think people who really like the film are firefly fans or sci fi noobs

and agree with lucas' little list. and also agree with sunshine, liked the concept but the mutated boss-battle esq ending was a bit cheese and changed the tone of the film for me.

[MarkusThatch]

Originally Posted by Todd Tomorrow

Maybe great if you were a fan of the series, but as a stand alone sci-fi film it doesn't cut the mustard. The Firefly pilot was better than the feature film and I found the series just a tad overrated. Like all Joss Whedon shows, Firefly probably would have lived up to its potential by season 2, had it not been cancelled.

But then it was so much more fun than some of the big sci-films it was 'homaging'. Admittedly I wouldn't be bothered if I didn't see firefly or serenity again.

[Mr Original]

Sorry if this has been discussed already but I missed it and just thinking out aloud...

The eggs in the alien derelict ship. With the idea Ridley will not subscribe to Cameron's Alien Queen theory, how are the egg produced? Could they all be from cocooned victims like in the director's cut Alien scene or test tube? What came first the Alien or the Egg?

The chestburster victim in the pilot seat. Now understanding the original image of the Space Jockey is an actual suit I can only guess that the Pilot was impregnated before donning the suit. This makes me think that the Pilot must have known what the outcome was going to be so why fly the craft? Maybe ditching the ship on LV426 was some sort of final sacrifice to protect lives from the egg "payload"?

[Urien Rheged]

Originally Posted by Mr Original

Sorry if this has been discussed already but I missed it and just thinking out aloud...

The eggs in the alien derelict ship. With the idea Ridley will not subscribe to Cameron's Alien Queen theory, how are the egg produced? Could they all be from cocooned victims like in the director's cut Alien scene or test tube? What came first the Alien or the Egg?

The chestburster victim in the pilot seat. Now understanding the original image of the Space Jockey is an actual suit I can only guess that the Pilot was impregnated before donning the suit. This makes me think that the Pilot must have known what the outcome was going to be so why the fly the craft? Maybe ditching the ship on LV426 was some sort of final sacrifice to protect lives from the egg "payload"?

My understanding is the Derelict is a 'bomber shop' which holds a biological weapon (the eggs) which have been created or captured by the Space Jockeys for them to use as a weapon. Something went wrong, the Pilot was infected, so he/she ditched the ship on an uninhabited planet and set a warning for others to keep away.

[lucasisking]

Originally Posted by Urien Rheged

My understanding is the Derelict is a 'bomber shop' which holds a biological weapon (the eggs) which have been created or captured by the Space Jockeys for them to use as a weapon. Something went wrong, the Pilot was infected, so he/she ditched the ship on an uninhabited planet and set a warning for others to keep away.

Which i always thought was a bit of a plothole- if true.

Had the Nostromo not detected the 'warning' beacon, they would have sailed on their merry way and no-one would have detected the aliens.

But that wouldn't be any fun would it

[MarkusThatch]

Originally Posted by lucasisking

Which i always thought was a bit of a plothole- if true.

Had the Nostromo not detected the 'warning' beacon, they would have sailed on their merry way and no-one would have detected the aliens.

But that wouldn't be any fun would it

Wasn't the inference that the 'company' knew that there was something out there prior to the nostromo launching on its mining mission Hence Ash replacing the previous medical/scientific officer. So there's an interesting back story there behind the company's prior knowledge of either the alien, the space jockey or both. So the beacon being detected surely just provided them with the exact location of whatever it was the company was after.

[lucasisking]

Originally Posted by MarkusThatch

Wasn't the inference that the 'company' knew that there was something out there prior to the nostromo launching on its mining mission Hence Ash replacing the previous medical/scientific officer. So there's an interesting back story there behind the company's prior knowledge of either the alien, the space jockey or both. So the beacon being detected surely just provided them with the exact location of whatever it was the company was after.

From the company's point of view that makes sense, but not the space jockey's. The company might have already detected the beacon via radio telescope, and the Nostromo was probably the closest vessel to intercept- hence getting Ash aboard.

But the Space Jockey ship might have crashed years, centuries or longer before the company existed. If they wished to keep the aliens secret it makes little sense to broadcast their existence to the universe via a beacon.

Unless of course, they anticipated that LV-426 was in the path of mankind's exploration and would be colonised sooner or later. One wonders why the space jockeys didn't initiate an auto-destruct of some kind.

[MarkusThatch]

Originally Posted by lucasisking

From the company's point of view that makes sense, but not the space jockey's. The company might have already detected the beacon via radio telescope, and the Nostromo was probably the closest vessel to intercept- hence getting Ash aboard.

But the Space Jockey ship might have crashed years, centuries or longer before the company existed. If they wished to keep the aliens secret it makes little sense to broadcast their existence to the universe via a beacon.

Unless of course, they anticipated that LV-426 was in the path of mankind's exploration and would be colonised sooner or later. One wonders why the space jockeys didn't initiate an auto-destruct of some kind.

The company seemed to know that there was something worth investigating, hence sending Ash - I don't know if I'm reading this wrong but I got the impression they knew something of significant interest was there but how on earth would they know what "it" was, a broadcast which the Nostromo crew eventually deciphered as a warning rather than an SOS. It suggests the company knew of the existence of something 'other'. Sending the 'expendable' crew of the nostromo also seemed to be their way of keeping it hush hush. Edit: also, did Ash send a transmission back to earth once the 'sample' was inside Kane? Mother seemed to have a direct set of instructions to secure the specimen at all costs.

And again, the space jockeys weren't trying to keep it secret, they were warning to stay away. Presumably in the chest bursting kerfuffle that lead to the derelict crashing on LV426 there wasn't time to initiate a self destruct.

[raigraphixs]

Ridley Scott says he wants to do Prometheus 2

I just thought Prometheus was so enjoyable — returning to the world of science fiction was so fun — that I wanted to [go back to Blade Runner, too]. I’m also thinking about what the hell I might do for a Prometheus 2.

[leamspaceman]

Originally Posted by raigraphixs

Ridley Scott says he wants to do Prometheus 2

Wasn't the original plan to shoot Prometheus and the sequal at the same time?

[Todd Tomorrow]

Originally Posted by leamspaceman

Wasn't the original plan to shoot Prometheus and the sequal at the same time?

Well, it was the original plan. One of many.

[KiLLiNG-TiME]

Another image doing the rounds in this dry spell of Prometheus news.

Only 118 Days Left till release

[Joe Pineapples]

Originally Posted by KiLLiNG-TiME

Another image doing the rounds in this dry spell of Prometheus news.

image


Only 118 Days Left till release

Looks like something from a Mass Effect game.

[OnTheFly]

Just recently I've fell for the cracking trailor lousy film trick. I saw this one twice last week. Wow. Can't wait.

[David 8]

A translated interview with Ridley Scott has revealed that Guy Pearce will play Peter Weyland. It also seems to confrim that the Nostromo in the first film was indeed sent to the planet by The Company.

"When the first Alien movie and Blade Runner were made," says Ridley, "I thought that in the near future the world would be owned by large companies. That's why we have the Tyrell Corporation in Blade Runner and Weyland-Yutani in Alien. They sent the Nostromo spaceship. The Prometheus is owned by an entrepreneur called Peter Weyland, who is played by Guy Pearce. That's the connection between the two films, and nothing more."

[bosque]

Originally Posted by David DG

A translated interview with Ridley Scott has revealed that Guy Pearce will play Peter Weyland. It also seems to confrim that the Nostromo in the first film was indeed sent to the planet by The Company.

Didn't we know that already ? When Ripley over-rides Mu-ther's security, the text on the computer screen reveals to her the Company intended the crew to awaken early and investigate the distress signal coming from the planet.

[David 8]

Originally Posted by bosque

Didn't we know that already ? When Ripley over-rides Mu-ther's security, the text on the computer screen reveals to her the Company intended the crew to awaken early and investigate the distress signal coming from the planet.

Sorry, yeah the Company sends the ship for sure but what I mean is that we don't know how pre-meditated it was... It's never been completely clear that the ship left it's mining planet to specifically go to LV426 but that's what I feel Scott is getting at here. It's just a feeling I suppose.

[Geoff_D]

I always thought it was obvious that the Nostromo's detour was premeditated. They changed the science officer for Ash two days before departure (which is mentioned by Dallas), and with Special Order 937 in operation it's all a bit convenient, no? The Company knew exactly what they were doing, IMO.

[David 8]

Originally Posted by Geoff_D

I always thought it was obvious that the Nostromo's detour was premeditated. They changed the science officer for Ash two days before departure (which is mentioned by Dallas), and with Special Order 937 in operation it's all a bit convenient, no? The Company knew exactly what they were doing, IMO.

Maybe you're right, it's all a bit convenient and that would be the most obvious explanation.. but there still remains the possibly that it was a chance encounter which prompted the Company to send Ash the order and wake the crew up. Remember Ridley removed the Thedus line from the directors cut. A chance encounter v premeditated makes a big difference I think.

[Mr.D]

I was under the impression the nostromo was sent specifically by the company to recover the xenomorph ; crew expendable all other priorities rescinded.

Seems pretty clear cut , ash says as much.

[MarkusThatch]

Originally Posted by Mr.D

I was under the impression the nostromo was sent specifically by the company to recover the xenomorph ; crew expendable all other priorities rescinded.

Seems pretty clear cut , ash says as much.

Likewise - it mentions retrieving specimen doesn't it? Pretty sure it's nothing to do with chance and the company knew it was out there.

[David 8]

You're all only under the impression, there's no definite evidence to say The Comany's actions were premeditated. The Nostromo could have automatically intercepted the signal/warning beacon which contained info concerning the life form, broadcasted it back to Weyland Yutani HQ, and they then send Ash his special order and wake the crew up.

When Prometheus comes out we might be able to say for certain that the company knows about LV426 in advance, but until then it is still ambiguous enough for it to be a chance encounter. I suppose this detail could be one thing that affects our (or at least my) perception of the original film.

[Geoff_D]

Okay, forget about the special order, it's the swapping of the regular science officer for Ash just before they depart that seals it for me. There's no "impression" about that, the Company put an agent aboard the ship to specifically protect their interests.

[bosque]

Originally Posted by David DG

You're all only under the impression, there's no definite evidence to say The Comany's actions were premeditated. The Nostromo could have automatically intercepted the signal/warning beacon which contained info concerning the life form, broadcasted it back to Weyland Yutani HQ, and they then send Ash his special order and wake the crew up.

When Prometheus comes out we might be able to say for certain that the company knows about LV426 in advance, but until then it is still ambiguous enough for it to be a chance encounter. I suppose this detail could be one thing that affects our (or at least my) perception of the original film.

In what way would it affect the story if the Company had not intended all along for the crew to investigate the distress signal ?

[David 8]

Originally Posted by Geoff_D

Okay, forget about the special order, it's the swapping of the regular science officer for Ash just before they depart that seals it for me. There's no "impression" about that, the Company put an agent aboard the ship to specifically protect their interests.

To protect their interests yes, but it could just be standard protocol rather than specifically to do with LV426... the point is we don't know for certain. To me it plays out more like spontaneous opportunism rather than a carefully planned strategy.

[David 8]

Originally Posted by bosque

In what way would it affect the story if the Company had not intended all along for the crew to investigate the distress signal ?

I'll put it this way - when watching Alien, I would prefer not to know for sure that Weyland Yutani know all about the planet, crashed ship, lifeform etc. way in advance. I enjoy not knowing for sure, it makes it interesting. Prometheus might spoil this for me.

[MarkusThatch]

Originally Posted by Geoff_D

Okay, forget about the special order, it's the swapping of the regular science officer for Ash just before they depart that seals it for me. There's no "impression" about that, the Company put an agent aboard the ship to specifically protect their interests.

Exactly - Dallas says he shipped out with the same science officer five times and then two days before they left he was replaced by Ash. That's no coincidence. We don't know if the company knew EXACTLY was on LV426 but hen Ripley discovers special order 937 it makes it pretty clear:

Nostromo rerouted to new co-ordinates. Investigate life form. Gather specimen. Priority One. Insure return of organism for analysis. All other considerations secondary. Crew expendable.

[lucasisking]

Originally Posted by MarkusThatch

Exactly - Dallas says he shipped out with the same science officer five times and then two days before they left he was replaced by Ash. That's no coincidence. We don't know if the company knew EXACTLY was on LV426 but hen Ripley discovers special order 937 it makes it pretty clear:

That little piece of exposition is why I haven't fully jumped ship from the Theatrical release to the Directors cut. Nice little scene- maybe Ridley cut it because it was too big a hint about Ash.

I wonder if the Company had already fully decoded the Derelict signal, and therefore knew specifically that there were life-forms in it's cargo (the instruments on the Nostromo could only decipher part of it). However if true, we come back to a rather ill-conceived strategy by the Space Jockeys.; the equivalent of saying 'DONT think about an elephant' .