[captainarchive]

Originally Posted by hippo99

Well in the "Making of" documentary in Kick-Ass, Millar was genuinely more than happy with (& understood the need for) the story changes that Vaughn & Goldman made to Kick-Ass.
I'm sure he knows that some of the more controversial aspects of Kick-Ass 2 will have to be toned down for it to work as a film.

Not going by what he's reported to have said see Raigraphixs post #44

[hippo99]

Originally Posted by captainarchive

Not going by what he's reported to have said see Raigraphixs post #44

Well luckily, he's not adapting the script for Kick-Ass 2
Privately, I'm sure he knows that the

 

gang rape is gonna be a hard sell

if he's appealing for the same audience that went to the 1st film.
If Vaughn (who's adapting it) feels it fits the film, then he wouldn't have made any changes to the 1st Kick-Ass script & would've kept the 1st film much closer to the comic.

[raigraphixs]

Originally Posted by hippo99

Well luckily, he's not adapting the script for Kick-Ass 2
Privately, I'm sure he knows that the

 

gang rape is gonna be a hard sell

if he's appealing for the same audience that went to the 1st film.
If Vaughn (who's adapting it) feels it fits the film, then he wouldn't have made any changes to the 1st Kick-Ass script & would've kept the 1st film much closer to the comic.

Director Jeff Wadlow wrote the script/adaptation for Matthew Vaughn, though im sure he had input, how much Jeff left in from Millar's original is not going to be know until Wadlow actually comments on the script, and at the moment Mark Millar is doing all the talking regarding content. Do we even know signs off the final script, me thinks Vaughn.

[hippo99]

Originally Posted by raigraphixs

Do we even know signs off the final script, me thinks Vaughn.

I truly hope so.
Given the chance, Millar will probably turn the upcoming Kick-Ass 3 comic into the equivalent of the Human Centipede 3

[PoochJD]

Hi Captain,

Thank You for accepting my apology, and I'm sorry I misread your post. No excuses on my part, I hold my hands up here. Completely misread it.

Originally Posted by captainarchive

I can understand an author being precious about their work but then again no one holds a gun against their head and makes them sell the rights to the their creations.

That's true, but all author's will tell you, that seeing someone else adapt their work, is like having a surgeon perform surgery on your child: the author's work being the child. As such, all author's, and certainly more modern ones, have seen how some director's totally bastardise their work, until barely a single remnant remains of the original material. But, with Miller, he is aiding the director, and I doubt that the director wants to hack-off Miller too much, as Miller could - potentially, at least - withdraw his consent to the film going ahead.

Originally Posted by captainarchive

Saying that Kick Ass 2 isn't a film for people like me is a little condescending.

That's not quite what I said. What I said was, that if you (or anyone else) was not a fan of a film that contains lots of profanity and/or lots of strong violence, then the likelihood of KA 2 being something you will enjoy, is not going to be high, specifically because the KA 2 comic book story, is more profane and more violent and more controversial than KA 1 ever was. So, if you weren't comfortable with the content of the original, then the sequel is likely to really tick you off.

I'm not saying you won't like some of it. Nor am I saying you won't enjoy some it. Just that if the violence and swearing were already stuff that you had an issue about with the first one, then it's going to be an even bigger issue with the second.

With that all said, we all need to see what the director does, and to wait for the finished product. But, if what they've said so-far, that they intend to stick to the KA 2 comic storyline pretty solidly, then KA 2 is absolutely going to shock a lot of people!


Pooch

[captainarchive]

I don't mind swearing. But I don't like watching something that makes me wince especially when I'm not expecting it. When I go to watch a Tarantino film or a mob film by Scorceses, I know what to expect. I didn't know anything about the comic it was based on when I went to watch Kick Ass, in fact I only found out it was based on a comic after I watched it. The marketing for the film, which gave the impression it was a superhero parody, didn't prepare you for how violent it was. When I watched it on BD it wasn't, at times, as uncomfortable to watch because I knew what to expect.

Personally I don't think it was a better film because of the graphic violence, it was a great concept brilliantly executed. I remember when I went to watch Robocop at the cinema and later got the uncut version on DVD and I don't think the extended

 

torture of Murphy lingering shots of his limbs being blown off

made a better film. The TC I watched was fine, the violence in Verhoeven's Starship Troopers I didn't have a problem with because it fitted the tone of the film and was often witty.

[Stevilinho]

Originally Posted by PoochJD

Hi,

I think she could, as she currently stands at just 5ft 4" tall (or 1m 63cm), so she's still "short" enough to play Hit-Girl, against the two lead male superheroes, who are about 5ft 8" each. The only potential issue, and I apologise profusely if this sounds crude, is the fact that she has "developed" in other areas that weren't there in the original KICK-ASS film.

Pooch

I know what you mean, whatching lazytown with my neice and once stephanie actress got about 15 her t1ts were just too big to kep beliving shes 8 and the facial and voice change aswell

I still think she can do it but unless they age in her 3 if there is a 3 and shes in it then there should be an actress change sadly

[PoochJD]

Hi Captain,

Originally Posted by captainarchive

The marketing for the film, which gave the impression it was a superhero parody, didn't prepare you for how violent it was.

I don't think many violent films prepare you for how violent they can be, if you see a film without any kind of fore-knowledge of it, or go see it, knowing absolutely nothing about it, except the title and having seen the poster.

Admittedly, though, I would've thought the opening sequence involving the suicidal superhero would have given you a little bit of an idea of the way KICK-ASS was going to lean towards. Subtle, it wasn't. I do understand what you say, though.

As for ROBOCOP, Verhoeven's film was never going to be nice and cosy. He was a famous Dutch director, whose works were always full of sex and violence, so ROBOCOP was never going to be easy viewing. I actually find the longer, more violent cut, the better version - purely because the sadism makes the viewer deeply uncomfortable, that you have to start questioning why you may laugh at some points in the film, when what is being shown is incredibly nasty and brutal. Also, you come to understand that Clarence Boddicker (sp?) and his gang are a vile piece of work, with absolutely no morals between them. Not only do they happily kill one of their own gang, ("Can you fly, Bobby?"), but they don't care about killing a cop, not just shooting him once - which would be awful anyway - but brutalising him to pieces, to the point that they don't even see him as a cop, nor even a human being, but as a piece of meat.


Pooch

[captainarchive]

Originally Posted by PoochJD

I don't think many violent films prepare you for how violent they can be, if you see a film without any kind of fore-knowledge of it, or go see it, knowing absolutely nothing about it, except the title and having seen the poster.

Admittedly, though, I would've thought the opening sequence involving the suicidal superhero would have given you a little bit of an idea of the way KICK-ASS was going to lean towards. Subtle, it wasn't. I do understand what you say, though.

I saw the two trailers beforehand and they didn't hint at how visceral some of the violence was. The trailers gave the impression the film was American Pie with superhero costumes and gun play.

Originally Posted by PoochJD

I actually find the longer, more violent cut, the better version - purely because the sadism makes the viewer deeply uncomfortable, that you have to start questioning why you may laugh at some points in the film, when what is being shown is incredibly nasty and brutal.

I didn't find any of the violence funny, unless you count

 

shooting a cigarette out of someones mouth under a no smoking sign

as violence, which I don't.

Originally Posted by PoochJD

Also, you come to understand that Clarence Boddicker (sp?) and his gang are a vile piece of work, with absolutely no morals between them. Not only do they happily kill one of their own gang, ("Can you fly, Bobby?"), but they don't care about killing a cop, not just shooting him once - which would be awful anyway - but brutalising him to pieces, to the point that they don't even see him as a cop, nor even a human being, but as a piece of meat.
Pooch

There's no moral ambiguity in the TC, you understand who the bad guys are and how bad they are without the additional violence. I don't need to see

 

Murphy's fingers blown off one at a time

to understand how ruthless and vicious the gang is. I think the additional violence in that scene is voyeuristic, violence for violence sake. Contrast that with the rape scene in Scorsese's Cape Fear, that demonstrated how vicious and ruthless Max Cady could be and it was necessary because up until that point you had a certain amount of sympathy for him.

[PoochJD]

Hi Captain,

Originally Posted by captainarchive

I saw the two trailers beforehand and they didn't hint at how visceral some of the violence was.

I never saw the trailer, and I have no reason to doubt what you say as fact.

Originally Posted by captainarchive

I don't need to see Murphy's fingers blown off one at a time to understand how ruthless and vicious the gang is.

I hate to say this, but that never happens! Murphy is shot first in the hand, which you see explode in a bloody pulp. His fingers don't get shot off one-by-one as you claim. He then gets up, turns around to face the gang, and then they shoot him multiple times in the chest and body, as he screams in agony. He collapses to the ground, before Clarence shoots him in the head. That scene, however, isn't meant to be funny, but it is meant to show you just how utterly callous the gang and Boddicker are. You may not need to see that amount of violence, but Verhoeven's film was a dark satire on 80's Corporate America, on criminal and police violence, and the Reagan Era too. And anyway, it was an 18, and thus was only intended for adult audiences.

I understand what you say, when you say you don't find violence funny, but it does depend on the context and what is being shown. It also depends on what you classify as "violence". Is violence, something horrible like someone being shot to pieces, as happens in ROBOCOP, or something trivial and light-hearted, like Jerry smacking Tom in the face with a frying pan?

Tom & Jerry or the Looney Tunes cartoons, are both violent, in their own manner, and yet most people would agree that that's both violent and funny. The violence in ROBOCOP can be blackly funny, but it does depend on context and your own personal threshold. Even some of the violence in KICK-ASS is funny - the opening scene of the film, being a good example - but again, Mark Miller was deliberately taking the mickey from the get-go. The whole story is implausible, and it posits that theory: what if an ordinary mortal human being tried putting on a superhero costume, and try to be a superhero? (Well, the answer is, he'd get the living hell kicked out of him, and would probably die a slow and painful death! Ergo, no real-life superhero's!)

It's only after Kick-Ass's street-beating, that he becomes an accidental hero, by having so many steel-plates fusing his bones and body together. The scene in which his two friends tease him in the school dinner hall, by constantly punching him and smacking a dinner tray across his back, whilst asking him "Did you feel that? Does that hurt?", is however, quite amusing.

Plus, being a hero, is about being a good, decent human being: doing the honourable or noble thing - something KICK-ASS does try to espouse, in the subtext of the storyline.

With that all said, there's always going to some films that are considered to be too violent by some, and other films where people accept (but don't endorse or approve of) the violence. Admittedly, comparing the 1962 version of CAPE FEAR with ROBOCOP from 1987 or KICK-ASS from 2010, isn't really appropriate, as they're not like-for-like. But I DO see what you are getting at.


Pooch

[raduv1]

I loved the over the top violence in this but I don't find anything offensive in movies and really can't obide censorship in any form.

This is like watching cartoon violence completely over the top and what makes the movie so fun to watch.

[PoochJD]

Hi,

Originally Posted by raduv1

I loved the over the top violence in this but I don't find anything offensive in movies and really can't obide censorship in any form.

I'm sure I could show you some stuff that you would be disgusted and offended by! Everyone has something they wouldn't approve of seeing in a film, no matter how anti-censorship you may be. And that even applies to me.


Pooch

[raigraphixs]

Reportedly Aaron Johnson, Chloe Moretz, Christopher Mintz-Plasse are in negotiations to return, and a planned flashback cameo role for [

 

Nicolas Cage

]

[mentasm]

Originally Posted by PoochJD

I hate to say this, but that never happens! Murphy is shot first in the hand, which you see explode in a bloody pulp. His fingers don't get shot off one-by-one as you claim. He then gets up, turns around to face the gang, and then they shoot him multiple times in the chest and body, as he screams in agony. He collapses to the ground, before Clarence shoots him in the head.

Actually they shoot his arm off before they shoot him in the head. However, as you say, the violence was largely satirical (the extended ED-209 scene in particular).

And Captain, the bit you reference is in RoboCop 2.

[raigraphixs]

Reportedly John Leguizamo has joined the cast, he’ll play Javier, the bodyguard assigned to protect aspiring evil guy Red Mist.

[BAN5HEE]

Originally Posted by raigraphixs

Reportedly John Leguizamo has joined the cast, he’ll play Javier, the bodyguard assigned to protect aspiring evil guy Red Mist.

Sweet. I like John Leguizamo. His movie The Pest is still one of my go to's from my teenage years for a good laugh.

[PoochJD]

Hi,

Mark Miller is currently writing and drawing KICK-ASS 3, which will conclude the entire KICK-ASS saga, and bring it to "a neat, and shocking end" (his words).

As well as the KICK-ASS 2 comic and graphic novel, which has just been published here in the UK by Titan Books, there will be a mini-novella published featuring a back-story for Hit-Girl. This mini-novella will feature as the first 30 minutes (or so) of the KICK-ASS 2 film. The mini-novella is currently being serialised in CLINT magazine, and will be published later this year, as a graphic novel, probably around November time.


Pooch

[raigraphixs]

Casting Call for 'Mother Russia'

Classic Villain. An ex-KBG officer who is now being paid by the week by Chris to fight in his group — she is easily the most skilled and just a ruthless killer in general. Described as a ‘roided-out female bodybuilder, she needs to be extremely physically imposing and muscular, though still come across as feminine. As tall as possible (6ft and over only). Indicate height on submission.

[Battle]

Originally Posted by raigraphixs

Casting Call for 'Mother Russia'

Classic Villain. An ex-KBG officer who is now being paid by the week by Chris to fight in his group — she is easily the most skilled and just a ruthless killer in general. Described as a ‘roided-out female bodybuilder, she needs to be extremely physically imposing and muscular, though still come across as feminine. As tall as possible (6ft and over only). Indicate height on submission.

Jodie Marsh

[raigraphixs]

Donald Faison (Scrubs) to play Doctor Gravity

Doctor Gravity is a superhero inspired by Kick-Ass. Doctor Gravity is an English major who highlights as a superhero by night, working with Kick-Ass and Justice Forever. However, to the world at large he is a physics professor at Columbia who built a baseball bat-like pole called the "Gravity Pole" which can make something twenty times its actual weight. If he flips it around it allows him to float. In actuality though it is a baseball bat covered in tin foil and he came up with his backstory to make a statement about who he wants to be.

[raigraphixs]

Official US release date - June 28th, 2013


Casting Update #3

- Robert Emms has joined the film and will be playing the role of Insect Man, a policeman that becomes a superhero

- Morris Chestnut (V reboot series) has been added as 'the guardian' for Chloe Moretz's Hit-Girl, played by Omari Hardwick in the first film

- Yancy Butler reprising her role as Angie D'Amico

[Greg]

It will be an interesting film this one. The Hit Girl character clearly isn't a little girl anymore. Presumably they are filming now so that makes her 15? That age gap from the first film changes the character completely, so I'm interested in how they play it.

[raigraphixs]

Originally Posted by Battle

Jodie Marsh

She's busy getting ready to audition for The Avengers sequel

- Reportedly Universal Pictures wants Jim Carrey to play a character called The Colonel who helps to "galvanise" the film's crew of unlikely superheroes

[boyflyhigh]

shouldn't she hulk have a lil sexy look to her? That looks scary

[PoochJD]

Hi,

Originally Posted by raigraphixs

Reportedly Universal Pictures wants Jim Carrey to play a character called The Colonel who helps to "galvanise" the film's crew of unlikely superheroes

I hope to God, that Carrey isn't let anywhere near KICK-ASS 2! His goofy humour can be fine in some films, but is not suited for the dark and often quite brutal humour that KA2 deals in.


Pooch

[weyland-yutani]

Originally Posted by PoochJD

Hi,



I'm sure I could show you some stuff that you would be disgusted and offended by! Everyone has something they wouldn't approve of seeing in a film, no matter how anti-censorship you may be. And that even applies to me.


Pooch

no doubt, but that is certainly not what being against censorship is about, at all. being offended/disgusted is a personal right. being offended/disgusted on behalf of someone else and banning/censoring that thing is most certainly not. just because i personally find something offensive it is absolutely no justification for it being censored/banned.

[raigraphixs]

Has the director confirmed Jim Carrey casting?, by tweeting a couple days ago;

"6 days till we start shooting… and we officially have our Colonel. Alrighty f’n then."

[raigraphixs]

Now confirmed - Jim Carrey to play a small role as The Colonel

[brian s]

Originally Posted by raigraphixs

Now confirmed - Jim Carrey to play a small role as The Colonel

The smaller the better. Could we have a Carrey free playback option on the Blu-Ray please?

Bri

[raigraphixs]

Director Jeff Wadlow teases 'Mother Russia' actress and Hit-Girl's bike

2 days till we start shooting... and Chris just met Mother Russia!

we just got Hit Girl's bike. Guess what color we're gonna paint it?