MotoGP 2011...Aragon

Miss Chief · 22-12-2010, 9:45 PM

Bradley Smith sponsors a british 125cc team as well.

MarkyPancake · 05-01-2011, 10:02 PM

Lorenzo and Stoner have gone to Alpinestars and Dainese have kept Rossi and got Hayden.

**alexs2** · 05-01-2011, 10:07 PM

Rubbish from DOBBIN6 removed.

DOBBIN6 · 06-01-2011, 9:18 AM

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Rubbish from DOBBIN6 removed.

ok i will try again , Stoner will finish ahead of Pedrosa .

FZR400RRSP · 06-01-2011, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by mjpartyboy

Lorenzo and Stoner have gone to Alpinestars and Dainese have kept Rossi and got Hayden.

It's a shame, but Dainese now only make their hand-made racer suits in Italy.
Production of normal stuff you or I can buy has been moved to you-know-where....

Never really liked Dainese stuff, I've seen their suits hole after one small crash in the rain.
That sort of thing really hacks a club racer off.

themilkman23 · 12-01-2011, 1:19 PM

Surprised no one has mentioned Rossi's unveiling as a Ducati rider.

Maybe because his suit looks hideous.

FZR400RRSP · 12-01-2011, 2:04 PM

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Maybe because his suit looks hideous.

It really is horrible.

Like he's been knee-deep in custard.

themilkman23 · 12-01-2011, 2:32 PM

The thing is the pictures I've seen of Hayden look really nice and sharp and the only thing missing is the yellow.

His bike isn't much better either:

Whereas Hayden's is classy I think.

smoochiez · 12-01-2011, 5:02 PM

This may be my eyesight, but the bikes look like they are getting close to orange in comparison to the apparel Rossi and Hayden are wearing.

Have to agree that Hayden's does look a lot better.

MarkyPancake · 12-01-2011, 5:07 PM

The back:

- The back of Rossi's new Ducati leathers. on Twitpic

On the bike:

- How Valentino will look on his new Ducati in 2011. Hot or miss on Twitpic

Next to the bike:

- Valentino Rossi and his new wheels. Ducati GP11 unveiled toda... on Twitpic

Bikes being flown in:

- Check this out. Rossi and Hayden's bikes were flown in f... on Twitpic

FZR400RRSP · 12-01-2011, 5:17 PM

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Originally Posted by smoochiez

This may be my eyesight, but the bikes look like they are getting close to orange

Could just be the photos.
They sometimes don't do justice to the actual colour.
Kawasaki's (defunct) MotoGP bike looked a much brighter green in real life, as does Suzuki's blue.

MarkyPancake · 12-01-2011, 7:53 PM

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Originally Posted by smoochiez

This may be my eyesight, but the bikes look like they are getting close to orange in comparison to the apparel Rossi and Hayden are wearing.

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The red is not red anymore but more fluorescent orange like old McLarens.

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themilkman23 · 12-01-2011, 8:10 PM

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The red is not red anymore but more fluorescent orange like old McLarens.

I wonder what the thinking is behind this.....

I really hope it's nothing to do with Rossi arriving and his love of yellow - that would annoy me. It should be red, proper red.

MarkyPancake · 12-01-2011, 8:20 PM

I expected it to have yellow on it and I was more surprised by how much white it features. The yellow is bright, but I think it will look a bit more toned down on TV and if it was in front of you. I remember the yellow looking equally as odd on the M1 in recent years when the bike was unveiled.

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r4zb3rry · 12-01-2011, 8:44 PM

Think the yellow accents on the bike look good and the shots of Vale on the bike dont look that bad, the full frontal does look awful but, as mentioned perhaps not as bad when on TV?

R4z

Miss Chief · 12-01-2011, 9:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mjpartyboy

The back:

- The back of Rossi's new Ducati leathers. on Twitpic

On the bike:

- How Valentino will look on his new Ducati in 2011. Hot or miss on Twitpic

Next to the bike:

- Valentino Rossi and his new wheels. Ducati GP11 unveiled toda... on Twitpic

Bikes being flown in:

- Check this out. Rossi and Hayden's bikes were flown in f... on Twitpic

Sorry but those leathers and the bike, :insertpukingsmileyhere:

FZR400RRSP · 14-01-2011, 12:05 PM

I can't help hoping Hayden beats Rossi on a regular basis.
I like Hayden a lot, I think he was dealt a bad hand when they introduced 800s.
Just didn't suit his style, he hasn't got a background in 125s/250s.
Can't wait to see him back on a 1000 in 2012.

**alexs2** · 14-01-2011, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by FZR400RRSP

I can't help hoping Hayden beats Rossi on a regular basis.
I like Hayden a lot, I think he was dealt a bad hand when they introduced 800s.
Just didn't suit his style, he hasn't got a background in 125s/250s.
Can't wait to see him back on a 1000 in 2012.

Have to wait and see...Nicky does have the advantage of 2 years on the Duke,albeit without a win,but it would be nice to see him do so again.

I think he definitely got a bad hand with the Honda 800,and not least because of a clear preference for the other rider.

FZR400RRSP · 14-01-2011, 12:12 PM

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I think he definitely got a bad hand with the Honda 800,and not least because of a clear preference for the other rider.

Absolutely.
I remember reading a quote from Hayden saying he knew he was in trouble when he first saw the 800.
He simply couldn't fit on it.

**alexs2** · 14-01-2011, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by FZR400RRSP

Absolutely.
I remember reading a quote from Hayden saying he knew he was in trouble when he first saw the 800.
He simply couldn't fit on it.

True...I remember seeing that for the 2011 bike,Ducati have altered the fairing to better accomadate Hayden's shoulders,and at Honda there was no way a bike built for Pedrosa was ever going to suit Nicky,who must be nearly half as big again.

MarkyPancake · 14-01-2011, 4:57 PM

Interesting:

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'News' from #MotoGP boss Carmelo Ezpeleta. In 2012 there'll be 22 1,000cc bikes on MotoGP grid. Who? How? Have #WSB organisers been told?

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**alexs2** · 14-01-2011, 5:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mjpartyboy

Interesting:

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Same and more here...

autosport.com - MotoGP News: Dorna confident of 22 bikes for 2012

Dorna insist they have no legal issues with WSBK,and in any case both series have run 1000cc bikes at the same time before.

More interesting is the Suzuki thing...will they,won't they,and if they don't,will they be taken to court by Dorna.

Miss Chief · 15-01-2011, 4:02 PM

The WSBK engines are based on production engines. As long as the motoGP engines remain a prototype then I believe the existing agreement stands and there should be no problems. If, however, as I've heard the motoGP engines are based on a production block then the WSBK people have something to grab a hold of and get upset about.

themilkman23 · 20-01-2011, 9:46 AM

I know it's not MotoGP but still bike related.

Anyone heard anything about this?

iSuperBiker - Welcome to I Superbiker

MarkyPancake · 20-01-2011, 4:45 PM

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Originally Posted by themilkman23

Anyone heard anything about this?

iSuperBiker - Welcome to I Superbiker

BSB and some of its riders have been talking about it on Twitter. I wouldn't mind watching it.

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BSB on the big screen! @ISuperbiker2011 release date 10 March, 50 venues across the UK, venues to be confirmed asap

http://twitter.com/#!/OfficialBSB/st...23546861445120

KiLLiNG-TiME · 21-01-2011, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Miss Chief

The WSBK engines are based on production engines. As long as the motoGP engines remain a prototype then I believe the existing agreement stands and there should be no problems. If, however, as I've heard the motoGP engines are based on a production block then the WSBK people have something to grab a hold of and get upset about.

Not enough that MotoGP move to 600cc support role that strangely enough has the same cc as Supersport & Superstock ok there all Hondas (for the moment) and the frames are bespoke, but if they start putting production 1000 on the grid it becomes an almost blatant copy of the WSB/SS format i'd say that's grounds for the FIM to get upset with Dorna.

Besides who wants a load of (production) traffic in MotoGP because if true thats all there ever going to be backend grid fillers !!

FZR400RRSP · 21-01-2011, 2:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Miss Chief

The WSBK engines are based on production engines. As long as the motoGP engines remain a prototype then I believe the existing agreement stands and there should be no problems. If, however, as I've heard the motoGP engines are based on a production block then the WSBK people have something to grab a hold of and get upset about.

Last time I read up on it, there were three engine options available for 2012.

1/ 800cc prototype engine, minimum weight 150kgs, maximum fuel 21 litres, maximum of six engines per season.
2/ 1000cc prototype engine, minimum weight 153 kgs, maximum fuel 21 litres, maximum of six engines per season.
3/ Claiming rule teams, 1000cc, minimum weight 153kgs, maximum fuel 24 litres, maximum of 12 engines per season.

All of the above are limited to a maximum of 4 cylinders
So no more V5 Hondas.

Rule 3 is the interesting one, because it was mentioned you could base your engine on production units.
A conflict of interest between MotoGP and WSB is just WSB being sulky.
I think most people are clear WSB is based on production bikes that have to be homologated.
Even if both classes run modified CBR1000 engines (or whatever), the bike will look completely different.

Rule 3 is also interesting because of the fact they're allowed more fuel, and allowed to be more fragile.
Entirely feasible a Rule 3 engine will put out more power than the other options.
So who's going to bother with a rule 1 or rule engine?

MarkyPancake · 21-01-2011, 5:52 PM

From what I can gather Ducati have already built their 1000cc machine and will be giving it a shakedown this year.

KiLLiNG-TiME · 21-01-2011, 6:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mjpartyboy

From what I can gather Ducati have already built their 1000cc machine and will be giving it a shakedown this year.

I guess pulling out of WSB has given them a bit of time, maybe they want a replay of there first 800 season only with Val !!

Miss Chief · 21-01-2011, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by FZR400RRSP

Last time I read up on it, there were three engine options available for 2012.

1/ 800cc prototype engine, minimum weight 150kgs, maximum fuel 21 litres, maximum of six engines per season.
2/ 1000cc prototype engine, minimum weight 153 kgs, maximum fuel 21 litres, maximum of six engines per season.
3/ Claiming rule teams, 1000cc, minimum weight 153kgs, maximum fuel 24 litres, maximum of 12 engines per season.

All of the above are limited to a maximum of 4 cylinders
So no more V5 Hondas.

Rule 3 is the interesting one, because it was mentioned you could base your engine on production units.
A conflict of interest between MotoGP and WSB is just WSB being sulky.
I think most people are clear WSB is based on production bikes that have to be homologated.
Even if both classes run modified CBR1000 engines (or whatever), the bike will look completely different.

Rule 3 is also interesting because of the fact they're allowed more fuel, and allowed to be more fragile.
Entirely feasible a Rule 3 engine will put out more power than the other options.
So who's going to bother with a rule 1 or rule engine?

I'm sure a talented engineering team could manufacture a prototype engine to put out more power than anything based on a production engine?

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05-01-2011, 10:02 PM	#62
MarkyPancake Distinguished Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Swindon Thanks: Gave 297, Got 1,099 Posts: 11,274	Lorenzo and Stoner have gone to Alpinestars and Dainese have kept Rossi and got Hayden.

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themilkman23 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Newport, South Wales Thanks: Gave 226, Got 127 Posts: 2,345	Surprised no one has mentioned Rossi's unveiling as a Ducati rider. Maybe because his suit looks hideous.

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smoochiez Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: SW9 Thanks: Gave 318, Got 395 Posts: 2,588	This may be my eyesight, but the bikes look like they are getting close to orange in comparison to the apparel Rossi and Hayden are wearing. Have to agree that Hayden's does look a lot better.

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MarkyPancake Distinguished Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Swindon Thanks: Gave 297, Got 1,099 Posts: 11,274	The back: - The back of Rossi's new Ducati leathers. on Twitpic On the bike: - How Valentino will look on his new Ducati in 2011. Hot or miss on Twitpic Next to the bike: - Valentino Rossi and his new wheels. Ducati GP11 unveiled toda... on Twitpic Bikes being flown in: - Check this out. Rossi and Hayden's bikes were flown in f... on Twitpic

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MarkyPancake Distinguished Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Swindon Thanks: Gave 297, Got 1,099 Posts: 11,274	I expected it to have yellow on it and I was more surprised by how much white it features. The yellow is bright, but I think it will look a bit more toned down on TV and if it was in front of you. I remember the yellow looking equally as odd on the M1 in recent years when the bike was unveiled. Davide Brivio's photos - This is the 46 on red... \| Plixi

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r4zb3rry Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Thanks: Gave 112, Got 139 Posts: 1,197	Think the yellow accents on the bike look good and the shots of Vale on the bike dont look that bad, the full frontal does look awful but, as mentioned perhaps not as bad when on TV? R4z

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FZR400RRSP Eminent Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Aberdeen Thanks: Gave 1,316, Got 2,853 Posts: 21,459	I can't help hoping Hayden beats Rossi on a regular basis. I like Hayden a lot, I think he was dealt a bad hand when they introduced 800s. Just didn't suit his style, he hasn't got a background in 125s/250s. Can't wait to see him back on a 1000 in 2012.

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Miss Chief Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Thanks: Gave 274, Got 800 Posts: 6,659	The WSBK engines are based on production engines. As long as the motoGP engines remain a prototype then I believe the existing agreement stands and there should be no problems. If, however, as I've heard the motoGP engines are based on a production block then the WSBK people have something to grab a hold of and get upset about.

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