[Vince Noir]

I thought that his game was gonna sell PS3's, This game was gonna show what the PS3 can do !
Just looking at the back of the box......................720p only !
What happened to sony saying 1080p for games !
GTp is the only game i've seen "native" 1080p.
Shocking sony !

[Jonstone]

Originally Posted by Vince Noir

I thought that his game was gonna sell PS3's, This game was gonna show what the PS3 can do !
Just looking at the back of the box......................720p only !
What happened to sony saying 1080p for games !
GTp is the only game i've seen "native" 1080p.
Shocking sony !

If every game from now until the end of the PS3's life was of this quality I would be more than happy, people need to drop the 1080p thing especially as most people don't have setups where they would notice the difference.

I know sony went on and on about 1080p gaming, but everyone hypes their products don't they?

[AkheirAX]

I wouldnt notice 1080p vrs 720p unless I had a screen more than 50 inch and sitting very close to the screen. 720p in gaming is a massive jump from the previous generation. I am happy with that.

[harrisuk]

THing is it dosnt realy matter when the games this good. Its simple dont believe the hype. The ps3 simply couldnt run a game like this at 1080p anyway, the gpu just couldnt handle it.

[chowyunfatt]

Originally Posted by Vince Noir

I thought that his game was gonna sell PS3's, This game was gonna show what the PS3 can do !
Just looking at the back of the box......................720p only !
What happened to sony saying 1080p for games !
GTp is the only game i've seen "native" 1080p.
Shocking sony !

Ridge racer = 1080p
Virtual Tennis = 1080p
NBA Street = 1080p
NG sigma = 1080p
GT5 = 1080p
NBA 07 = 1080p
NBA 08 = 1080p
Lair = 1080p

Just a few of the top of my head that are native 1080p also just about every PSN game is native 1080p aswell.

Blast Factor
Cash Guns Chaos DLX
Go! Soduku
Grand Tourismo: HD
flOw
Q*Bert
Super Rub a Dub
Mortal Kombat II
Gauntlet II
Calling all Cars
Rampage
Joust
Rampart
Championship Sprint
Go! Puzzle
Super Stardust HD
Home (Beta) (before latest update)
Piyotoma
Super Puzzle Fighter 2 Turbo HD Remix
High Stakes on the Vegas Strip: Poker Edition
Pixel Junk Racers
LocoRoco Cocoreccho!
Grand Tourismo: Prologue (JP Demo)

Out of all current consoles the Playstation 3 has by far the most video games available in native 1080p.

[Vince Noir]

Originally Posted by chowyunfatt

Ridge racer = 1080p
Virtual Tennis = 1080p
NBA Street = 1080p
NG sigma = 1080p
GT5 = 1080p
NBA 07 = 1080p
NBA 08 = 1080p
Lair = 1080p

Just a few of the top of my head that are native 1080p also just about every PSN game is native 1080p aswell.

Blast Factor
Cash Guns Chaos DLX
Go! Soduku
Grand Tourismo: HD
flOw
Q*Bert
Super Rub a Dub
Mortal Kombat II
Gauntlet II
Calling all Cars
Rampage
Joust
Rampart
Championship Sprint
Go! Puzzle
Super Stardust HD
Home (Beta) (before latest update)
Piyotoma
Super Puzzle Fighter 2 Turbo HD Remix
High Stakes on the Vegas Strip: Poker Edition
Pixel Junk Racers
LocoRoco Cocoreccho!
Grand Tourismo: Prologue (JP Demo)

Out of all current consoles the Playstation 3 has by far the most video games available in native 1080p.

I'll get me coat !
I know most wont be able to tell the difference between 720p & 1080p but this is what sony yaked and yaked and yaked on about !
They even used it against the xbox !

[DaddyDee]

My Sony TV is playing it at 1080P. For 720P games my TV usually plays them at 720p, but with MGS4 it switches to 1080p for some reason. Maybe the games is 1080p?

[mpn]

1080p .... 720p , personally i dont give a monkeys ..... when a game looks this good it can be forgiven a few slight misdemenors.

[Jack-Deth]

Originally Posted by mpn

1080p .... 720p , personally i dont give a monkeys ..... when a game looks this good it can be forgiven a few slight misdemenors.

Agreed mate, but people should spend more time gaming and less time pixel counting!!

[Jonstone]

Originally Posted by chowyunfatt

Ridge racer = 1080p
Virtual Tennis = 1080p
NBA Street = 1080p
NG sigma = 1080p
GT5 = 1080p
NBA 07 = 1080p
NBA 08 = 1080p
Lair = 1080p

Just a few of the top of my head that are native 1080p also just about every PSN game is native 1080p aswell.

Blast Factor
Cash Guns Chaos DLX
Go! Soduku
Grand Tourismo: HD
flOw
Q*Bert
Super Rub a Dub
Mortal Kombat II
Gauntlet II
Calling all Cars
Rampage
Joust
Rampart
Championship Sprint
Go! Puzzle
Super Stardust HD
Home (Beta) (before latest update)
Piyotoma
Super Puzzle Fighter 2 Turbo HD Remix
High Stakes on the Vegas Strip: Poker Edition
Pixel Junk Racers
LocoRoco Cocoreccho!
Grand Tourismo: Prologue (JP Demo)

Out of all current consoles the Playstation 3 has by far the most video games available in native 1080p.

Well out of all of those I think one can only really claim that GT5p is pushing the PS3 hard graphically and that technically isn't 1080p in the strictest sense.

Generally it doesn't really matter what the res is, games can look very good at a lower resolution. The only issue for me is when I play my PS3 on my computer monitor which does a much better job of scaling 1080p than 720p so it does look noticeably better

[mightymaccers]

The game is displayed as 1080p on my set also - who cares anyway, it's clearly the most gorgeous looking game out with fantastic art design.

[shoestring25]

it must be upscaling from 720p to 1080p

[chucky_uk]

Originally Posted by Legion

Agreed mate, but people should spend more time gaming and less time pixel counting!!

Yes they should, but also Sony should start telling the truth, about what the console can actually do.

According to them all games would be true hd 1080p gaming

[CAS FAN]

The PS3 and the 360 can both do 1080p games but if developers choose to present their games in native 1080p they have to make sacrifices in other areas as a native 1080p game requires more resources than displaying the same game in native 720p and then upscaling it. You can see this effect on a PC game, play the game at 720p and it may run at say an average of 60fps, but increase the res to 1080p and you will see a drop in frame rate.

I think that with this generation, especially for games like this with large, detailed gameplay environments, they should stick to 720p and make them look as good as they can.

The whole 1080p thing from Sony is just marketing hype. The console can do it, so it's not a lie, but they used it to try and make people think that the PS3 was this superpowerful 360 killer. People just need to view it for what it is and forget about the marketing hype.

It's the developers who choose the resolution that they want to present their games in, not Sony.

[Ojustabo]

Originally Posted by mightymaccers

The game is displayed as 1080p on my set also - who cares anyway, it's clearly the most gorgeous looking game out with fantastic art design.

It says it's 1080p on my Samsung 656 as well.

Tried Motorstorm and the Samsung tells me it's running at 720.

I would have thought if the TV/PS3 upscaled MGS4 it would also upscale Motorstorm? Hence it looks to me like MGS4 is 1080p?

[Jack-Deth]

Originally Posted by chucky_uk

Yes they should, but also Sony should start telling the truth, about what the console can actually do.

According to them all games would be true hd 1080p gaming

Since when do companies "tell the truth"? How many busted Xbox's did it take before MS had to fess up to a problem. Has Sony officially commented on the the problems with lack of HDD space with all of the HDD installs on PS3 games?

The PS3 can do 1080p games, see list above, its just that at the moment, at least, its not possible to do it without trade off's.

Did Sony actually say that all games would be true HD 1080p gaming? Do you have a link? I knew Phil Harrison said that the 360 could not output 1080p (which it could not at the time) and did not have a HD optical drive, therefore was not "true HD" somewhat symptomatic of Sony's arrogance during their promotion of the PS3 at the beginning.

[SkilledNutter]

Originally Posted by Vince Noir

I thought that his game was gonna sell PS3's, This game was gonna show what the PS3 can do !
Just looking at the back of the box......................720p only !
What happened to sony saying 1080p for games !
GTp is the only game i've seen "native" 1080p.
Shocking sony !

I have to Agree here I was expecting this game to be Native 1080p, I even went out last week and spent £550 on my New Toshiba 37" 505 1080p Screen in anticipation of this release.

BUT it still looks great lol

[SparkShot]

Originally Posted by Nosyd

My Sony TV is playing it at 1080P. For 720P games my TV usually plays them at 720p, but with MGS4 it switches to 1080p for some reason. Maybe the games is 1080p?

My 40w2000 is displaying as 1080p also without having to deselecting anything in the ps3 display options like with GTA4.

[jonneymendoza]

Originally Posted by harrisuk

THing is it dosnt realy matter when the games this good. Its simple dont believe the hype. The ps3 simply couldnt run a game like this at 1080p anyway, the gpu just couldnt handle it.

a game like this would run at 1080p or above on a pc though. i see pc games becoming prettier then current gen console games now

[CAS FAN]

Originally Posted by jonneymendoza

a game like this would run at 1080p or above on a pc though. i see pc games becoming prettier then current gen console games now

This game does run at native 1080p as far as I can see. There's no need (like some have mentioned) to force 1080p upscalling.

There's no point comparing PC games to console games though. Apart from at launch (when consoles generally match PC's) they can't really compete on a graphical level.

[ElliottC666]

Originally Posted by CAS FAN

This game does run at native 1080p as far as I can see. There's no need (like some have mentioned) to force 1080p upscalling.

There's no point comparing PC games to console games though. Apart from at launch (when consoles generally match PC's) they can't really compete on a graphical level.

completely agree with the pc comment. I have a very high end custom built PC that i built last year for crysis and its still much prettier to play games on than the ps3 and 360 and its 18 months old. I play it on a Polaroid 27" LCD and it looks great, i can't wait to get a 1080p tv though!
Consoles generally have the same, if not better graphics than PC's on launch but that only really lasts a couple of months until the next GPU is out. Look at the new Nvidia 9800GX2, consoles are years away from that!

[ElliottC666]

Originally Posted by SkilledNutter

I have to Agree here I was expecting this game to be Native 1080p, I even went out last week and spent £550 on my New Toshiba 37" 505 1080p Screen in anticipation of this release.

BUT it still looks great lol

hi,

Could you help me with a link for the TV you bought please? Im in the market for a 1080p LCD.

Cheers

[catisfit]

To be honest I think this game has the best combination of art direction and technology that I've ever seen in a game. I'm a self-confessed pixel counter (nice to keep tabs on what other teams are doing ) but native resolution is only a small part of what makes a game great graphically, art direction is much more important.

Just so people are aware, what your TV says it is receiving and what your game actually renders at are two unrelated resolutions. Quite a few sub-720p games can output a 1080p image just by scaling their native resolution up.

Originally Posted by Jonstone

Well out of all of those I think one can only really claim that GT5p is pushing the PS3 hard graphically and that technically isn't 1080p in the strictest sense.

It's 1080p, just not technically "Full" 1080p as it scales horizontally from 1280x1080. The impressive thing is it outputs that at 60fps.

Originally Posted by CAS FAN

This game does run at native 1080p as far as I can see. There's no need (like some have mentioned) to force 1080p upscalling.

I didn't even think to check last night, but that sounds reasonable given the native resolution of the game is 768p. It can either downscale that to 720p or upscale to 1080p.

[Mark Hodgkinson]

Originally Posted by catisfit

I didn't even think to check last night, but that sounds reasonable given the native resolution of the game is 768p. It can either downscale that to 720p or upscale to 1080p.

Hi cat, I believe the native res is 1024 x 768, is that right? If so isn't that a 4:3 res? I think there's something I'm missing from the equation here but I can't figure what it is(pixel shape???). Would be grateful of an explanation

[catisfit]

Originally Posted by hodg100

Hi cat, I believe the native res is 1024 x 768, is that right? If so isn't that a 4:3 res? I think there's something I'm missing from the equation here but I can't figure what it is(pixel shape???). Would be grateful of an explanation

Yeah that's right. It renders the image quite squashed horizontally, so when it's expanded to 16/9 it looks normal - if you could see the framebuffer before it was scaled everything would look thinner than usual

GT5 Prologue does a similar thing It's something to do with how our eyes are more perceptive to vertical resolution than horizontal resolution (no idea why ), plus the fact that almost all games have a ground plane at a low angle to the camera, extra vertical resolution helps to render this more accurately.

1024x768 is also the native res of most widescreen plasmas on the market, but they use rectangular pixels

[Vince Noir]

I think as the original poster on this thread i need to speak again before the fan boys (both sides) takes over.
While i think this is the best game on ps3. My suprise was to see Sony yaking on about 1080p being "true HD" (which in my eyes it isn't) and the 360 not being able to do what the ps3 could do. The then have what could be their biggest AAA & "exclusive" (so lets remember this has been made specially for the ps3 so no excuse about rescources because not there as it had to be made for both consoles) title being 720p.
I know business is business but i'm sick of Sony saying we can do this and this when they can't.


Oh and for those getting 1080p on their plasma/lcd's i'm only going of the back of the box !
As soon as their is proof that it is 1080p can a mod close this thread !

[Alanok]

Originally Posted by Vince Noir

I know business is business but i'm sick of Sony saying we can do this and this when they can't.

As stated earlier in this thread it is not Sony that dictates the resolution of any given game, it is entirely the choice of the developer. Running any game in 1080p takes up a ridiculous amount of space even on a Blu Ray disc so god knows how they would pack 1080p MGS4 on to a single disc.

Did Sony really say every game would be running at 1080p? Can't remember that. All I remember is they said games would run at 1080p, not all.

[Vince Noir]

no i dont expect to see every game, but after sony's yaking you would expect the exclusive AAA titles !

[CAS FAN]

Originally Posted by Vince Noir

no i dont expect to see every game, but after sony's yaking you would expect the exclusive AAA titles !

But whether games are or are not displayed at a certain resolution has very little to do with Sony (it's up to the developer). The same goes for the frame rate. All they did was provide a console that can render games at 1080p, when MS's console couldn't at the time. Obviously MS added a 1080p option to their console meaning that Sony's previous Full HD thing ceased to be a 'selling point'.

[Norlo]

Originally Posted by Alanok

Running any game in 1080p takes up a ridiculous amount of space even on a Blu Ray disc so god knows how they would pack 1080p MGS4 on to a single disc.

While 1080p textures are obviously bigger in size then say, 720p textures, hence they would need more space on the storage media, the actual reason we don't see MGS4 running is native 1080p is because the PS3 does not have enough graphical power to do so. The 360 does not either.

MGS4 image is 33GB. It does not fill the BD. There is space for hih res textures, but the PS3 could simply not redner MGS4 in 1080p at a playable framerate. It's as simply as that.

Although that said, how anyone can knock MGS4 is beyond me. A truly stunning games in all regards.

Also @ Cat
We've had a few falling out recently, but fair play mate, both of your posts in this thread are top draw