Trumotion 100hz ???

[Xee]

Hi all, first post, desperate for advice

Was all set to buy a 37LG6000, when I discovered that it did not have Trumotion 100hz

So my question is do I really need 100hz? Will it make much difference, and what kind of media does it affect most eg Gaming (Wii/xbox/ps3), PC, DVD/Blu-ray or TV?

Only 42LG6000 and 37LG7000 seem to have 100hz, which are a bit out of my budget . So do I wait and save a bit more or just get the 37LG6000?

Thanks look forward to some advice.

[Hyperboy]

IF the TV can do 100Hz well then it is kinda worth it. In my opinion, what is more important is just a good old fashioned fast pixel response time, if the trail/smear effect is not noticable it's ok in my book! also another thing to consider is perhaps how well it handles 24p for Blu-ray. A lot of people I know that have 100Hz TV's seem to have the feature switched off or on a minimum setting. 100Hz was good for CRT but N/A for Plasma and pretty much the same for LCD....

[Xee]

But is it worth an extra £195 for 100hz and 42" as apposed to 37" and 50hz?? Guess I need to go compare in store.

[fruitfly]

In my opinion, 100hz is not worth the extra outlay for most casual viewing and gaming. As mentioned by Hyperboy, response time is more crucial and essential for a clear smooth image. The more modern LCD panels claim a response time of 4 - 6 milliseconds which is quite a leap over last year's 8 milliseconds and the results do show.
100hz is more of a luxury and is really only useful (in my opinion) for watching fast moving sports and maybe fast moving text scrolling across the screen. News programs, stock market channels, end credits, etc are where 100hz might prove useful. For film and gaming, and even regular channel hopping, 100hz is far from essential.
On a more personal note, I can't actually adjust to 100hz technology. Having watched tv at 50hz all my life, 100hz looks artificial to me. It has a pseudo sped up look to it.
More and more tv's will have 100hz tech. It is becoming the norm, which is no bad thing but If you do buy a tv with 100hz, make sure the feature can be turned off. You may want it at times, but could do without it at other times.
For your budget, look for a tv that has the features you really find essential. The right size for the room (biggest isn't always best), good contrast values, good colour rendition, almost limitless adjustability, an ability to show movies properly in 50hz and 24hz for tv viewing, DVD and Blu-ray. Many tv's can also accept 60hz too for linking up to pc's. A useful feature? You decide. You can see that I have left off 100hz from this list. Owning a set capable of 100hz, makes me realize I don't need it - or like it. And it was not what made me buy the set in the first place.
View 100hz in a showroom before you make up your mind. Infact, view all aspects of a tv in a showroom before making any decision and parting with your money.

[spy1]

just read friutfly's comments very interesting on what was said. I have a LG426100 100hz can this be adjusted or swiched off. Also can any one please let me know the best way to set up the picture on this set.I have it conected to skyhd but while watching some programs the figures seem to have a ghosting around them which was not noticable before.Can any one can help

[fruitfly]

As far as I know the 6000 series of tv from LG uses a similar panel and tech to the 7000 series so I should be able to help.
The 6100 does have 100hz and it should be adjustable from off to low to high. You will find the Trumotion control in the advanced settings menu. 100hz might actually help with the ghosting, but there are other reasons why you may be getting that problem. Poor cables and connections, electrical interference, even the tv's own tuner not being up to the job.
I'm not a sky subscriber so I can't help you fully there. But in what mode is the tv in when watching sky? Some of the preset modes can be a little garish to say the least and may add unwanted effects to the picture, such as high sharpness and overly rich colours and high brightness levels. Vivid mode does this and is the worst of all presets.
Use one of the expert modes and adjust the picture till you have it how you want it. This may take some time. Using a calibration DVD will be helpful and once you have calibrated the DVD input you will be able to copy those settings to your other inputs and tweak a little if need be.
How do you have your SkyHD box linked to your tv? I'm assuming it's via HDMI or component. Does the HD box have component outputs? Actually, what does it have?

[Xee]

Well I have been to Curries, and they had the LG426100 and I could not tell the difference with Trumotion demo playing. Half screen normal/off and the other with Trumotion enabled. May have been that the store setup was poor, and the TV only had component input (would that make a huge difference?)

The was a LG32-scarlet (not sure which code) but it looked fine against the 6100 below it.

Could not test the audio as it had no audio feed. So a bit worried about people saying the 6100 has tinny sound.

At the moment I'm leaning towards LG376000. What do you guys think?

[AudioSlim]

Originally Posted by Xee

Well I have been to Curries, and they had the LG426100 and I could not tell the difference with Trumotion demo playing. Half screen normal/off and the other with Trumotion enabled. May have been that the store setup was poor, and the TV only had component input (would that make a huge difference?)

The was a LG32-scarlet (not sure which code) but it looked fine against the 6100 below it.

Could not test the audio as it had no audio feed. So a bit worried about people saying the 6100 has tinny sound.

At the moment I'm leaning towards LG376000. What do you guys think?

I have to say , I've just come from an old LG LC2D to a 6100 and the increase in picture quality is quite astounding (SD from SKY box).

The sound is poor though, but everything else is top draw about it.
The 100mhz true motion thing, well it's on at the moment but my old LCD never had issues with fast motion anyway and neither does the 6100.
Havent tried it off yet but text scrolling etc (on Sky news) is flawless.

Slim

[fruitfly]

Originally Posted by Xee

Well I have been to Curries, and they had the LG426100 and I could not tell the difference with Trumotion demo playing. Half screen normal/off and the other with Trumotion enabled. May have been that the store setup was poor, and the TV only had component input (would that make a huge difference?)

The was a LG32-scarlet (not sure which code) but it looked fine against the 6100 below it.

Could not test the audio as it had no audio feed. So a bit worried about people saying the 6100 has tinny sound.

At the moment I'm leaning towards LG376000. What do you guys think?

The Trumotion demo is not the way to go when testing the set for it's 100hz feature. Nope. You need to really fiddle. Get in there, push some buttons, mix it up! If a store wants a sale, they'll let you play. I'm sure the 6100 has a few buttons on it somewhere and it won't take you long to figure out navigation. The store might even lend you a remote.
As for sound, most LCD's are not brilliant, especially compared to the old CRT tv's which could accommodate big speakers. The 6100 is at an even bigger disadvantage because it is a slim model. So even with the reverberating bezel on it's side, teeny tiny flat speakers can only do so much. These days, if you want good sound, you'll have to invest in a amp and speakers. Even a basic stereo set up or a 2.1 will be much better than any LCD sound alone.

[Xee]

I did have a play with the remote, tried the light sensor stuff, but never found the Trumotion in expert settings. TBH the source they had on the TV I think would not had been good enough to see any benefit either. Just a rubbish setup. they let me play as much as I wanted.

Popped into Sony store at lunch time. They had the latest 40" 50hz, 100hz and 200hz LCD's all lined up with HDMI feed. I could not tell the difference. Only thing different was the brightness, and thats because the 200hz had 80000:1.

So for now I don't think its worth it. But I may live to regret that decision later :P Think I'm going to get the 37" 50hz TV

[fruitfly]

Originally Posted by Xee

I did have a play with the remote, tried the light sensor stuff, but never found the Trumotion in expert settings. TBH the source they had on the TV I think would not had been good enough to see any benefit either. Just a rubbish setup. they let me play as much as I wanted.

Popped into Sony store at lunch time. They had the latest 40" 50hz, 100hz and 200hz LCD's all lined up with HDMI feed. I could not tell the difference. Only thing different was the brightness, and thats because the 200hz had 80000:1.

So for now I don't think its worth it. But I may live to regret that decision later :P Think I'm going to get the 37" 50hz TV

If you can't tell the difference, you can't lose. I don't know how 100hz tech will future proof a set. I think it was brought in to make up for inadequacies in refresh rates when they pushed CRT to it's limit just before plasma and LCD took over. And since LCD sometimes struggle with fast images, 100hz was once again brought in to 'fix' the 'problem'.
I haven't yet seen a 200hz set in action so I cannot comment on that. But my imagination is telling me everything looks like it's stuck on fast forward.

[acerbiter]

Originally Posted by Xee

Well I have been to Curries, and they had the LG426100 and I could not tell the difference with Trumotion demo playing. Half screen normal/off and the other with Trumotion enabled. May have been that the store setup was poor, and the TV only had component input (would that make a huge difference?)

The was a LG32-scarlet (not sure which code) but it looked fine against the 6100 below it.

Could not test the audio as it had no audio feed. So a bit worried about people saying the 6100 has tinny sound.

At the moment I'm leaning towards LG376000. What do you guys think?

I got 37LG6000 from dixons.co.uk with a stand and shipping for £540 (two weeks back) and I couldn't be more pleased with the TV. The design is just astonishing and Sky+ SD looks amazing (sky+ connected just thru scart). Yesterday hooked up my wii and again, it's just brilliant. It is definitely worth the money and I'm sure you'll be able to find good deals around this time. Now I'll only wait for my next pay check and get LG HT 503PH (or maybe even 903TA)

p.s. just checked dixons and the same setup is there for £552.97 but try to look for promotion codes (I got 5% off and free delivery through voucher codes I from the net)

[spy1]

Originally Posted by fruitfly

As far as I know the 6000 series of tv from LG uses a similar panel and tech to the 7000 series so I should be able to help.
The 6100 does have 100hz and it should be adjustable from off to low to high. You will find the Trumotion control in the advanced settings menu. 100hz might actually help with the ghosting, but there are other reasons why you may be getting that problem. Poor cables and connections, electrical interference, even the tv's own tuner not being up to the job.
I'm not a sky subscriber so I can't help you fully there. But in what mode is the tv in when watching sky? Some of the preset modes can be a little garish to say the least and may add unwanted effects to the picture, such as high sharpness and overly rich colours and high brightness levels. Vivid mode does this and is the worst of all presets.
Use one of the expert modes and adjust the picture till you have it how you want it. This may take some time. Using a calibration DVD will be helpful and once you have calibrated the DVD input you will be able to copy those settings to your other inputs and tweak a little if need be.
How do you have your SkyHD box linked to your tv? I'm assuming it's via HDMI or component. Does the HD box have component outputs? Actually, what does it have?

Thanks for the info i have the intelligent mode on when watching the tv but where can i get a calibration DVD from and what does it do.My skyHD is linked via HDMI but it does have a component connection that i am not using is this better than connecting it to HDMI as for the cable i changed it to a shield one but still the same

[fruitfly]

Originally Posted by spy1

Thanks for the info i have the intelligent mode on when watching the tv but where can i get a calibration DVD from and what does it do.My skyHD is linked via HDMI but it does have a component connection that i am not using is this better than connecting it to HDMI as for the cable i changed it to a shield one but still the same

A calibration DVD doesn't really do anything but show you what to do. It's an instruction disc. All you do is follow the guide on your screen, pause the disc occasionally, press the right buttons on your remote and watch as the picture on your tv changes. A good calibration disc will explain the values of brightness, contrast, colour, etc and show you how to adjust these settings (and more) so you can get the best possible picture from your tv. A good calibration disc can also be confusing and a very adjustable tv such as the new LG's can take a long time to calibrate. My previous LG was so easy to calibrate and really didn't take too long as it had the absolute minimum number of settings and didn't have all those extra ISF colour tweaking, backlight adjusting, 6500K preset dooburies that my new LG has So I find I am learning new stuff again and as yet, I haven't fully calibrated my tv to the best of it's abilities. And I'll be flinging flanging flipped forwards before I spend a couple of hundred ££££'s or more on a pro ISF engineer to come out and do it for me.
So be prepared to spend some quality time with your tv, remote in hand, brain in a blender, tweaking the night away so you can get as perfect a picture as you can get Or you can just go by what your eyes tell you and that's good enough
Here's a DVD: Amazon.co.uk: Digital Video Essentials [2003]: Artist Not Provided: DVD
And here's a Blu-ray version: Digital Video Essentials - HD Basics [Blu-ray] [2008]: Sam Dalton, Joe Kane: Amazon.co.uk: DVD

You can also find a fairly good, albeit scaled down calibration guide on any THX certified DVD, such as Star Wars or Terminator.

As for HDMI v's Component. Well, in essence, they are both the same. HDMI is digital, Component is analogue but both will be able to carry a hi def signal up to 1080i transmitted by your HD box. See which works best for you. One might clear up the ghosting, you never know.
Although what do you mean by ghosting? is it double/triple ball effect? (100hz might cure this) or is it harsh edging to certain or all objects on the screen? Adjusting sharpness values can be an instant cure. Factory set tv's often have a lot of their settings at full. High sharpness will add virtual detail and ruin a good picture. An overly bright screen or very rich, saturated colours can also cause harsh edges and colour bleed. I don't want to confuse you or worry you by throwing so much at you all at once. Take it one step at a time and be methodical. It might take time, but somewhere in your tv is the perfect picture, I'm sure.

[spy1]

Fantastic thats alot to work on.So while i sit in front of the tv with a remote on one hand and a beer in the other i will try to get the picture to suit my eyes......
Again many thanks i will let you know how i get on.