First Time LCD TV

[OGIII]

Firstly Matt it does have Component input in addition to S-Vid and Composite.

Mine sits on a kitchen top and is still viewable from almost floor level albeit that the picture does become darker.

I'll mail you across some pics later.

Cheers
OG

[Matt Horne]

Thanks for that... the monitor seems superb from the piccies.. and at such a great price..!

Cheers

Matt

[gunrock]

Matt,

As you state that you'll be hooking up a Panasonic Q to the LCD, I'll assume you'll be playing the odd game or two (when the wife allows!). I think you'll find that the Neovo's response time is a tad too slow for the 60hz fast moving games that you might like to play.

If an LCD response time is 20ms then in one second (or 1000ms)it can change the whole screen (1000 / 20) times a second, which is 50. An NTSC gamecube title for your Panasonic Q runs at 60hz which redraws the screen 60 times per second. As the monitor can update only 50 times a second you'll most likely suffer ghosting and blurring especially on games like Metroid Prime where the camera view point changes constantly.

Ideally a monitor with 16ms response time should be aimed for, but you'll pay more for the newer technology, of course.

Just a heads-up. If games aren't really your prerogative (why buy a Q if that's the case), then it may not be an issue.

Cheers

[Matt Horne]

Thanks.. so any recommendations for LCD TV's with a 16ms reponse time ? 15"

Games have to be a consideration as I have a Q,PS2 and dreamcast to use (all NTSC machines/games).. I admit I don't play many games at the mo.. but I would prefer it not to blur everywhere!

How are the philips/sharp 15" with regards to this (neither have component inputs which is a shame) but I may be able to stretch to these if I find a good interest free option!


Thanks

Matt

[Matt Horne]

Just checked the AG Neovo website and for the F315/F317 they have listed the response time as :

Response Time 15ms / 10ms (Typical)

Shouldn't that be good enough ?

cheers

Matt

If you do see the relisys 1720 working in real life i would be very interested to know what they are like as i am considering it as well. I can not find anywhere that has them on show to look at. by the way i would definately go for the samsung 15e23c, you can get it at greatsaves.co.uk for the £330 + £6 delivery charge.

[Matt Horne]

It did not look worth £400 when I saw it in Dixons.. every other screen looked better (and has less smear?)

Matt

Has anyone come across other LCD monitors with component inputs capable of taking an progressive scan picture? Is the Relisys capable of taking an progressive scan input?

Cheers,

Jean-Paul

[gunrock]

Originally posted by Matt Horne
Just checked the AG Neovo website and for the F315/F317 they have listed the response time as :

Response Time 15ms / 10ms (Typical)

Shouldn't that be good enough ?

cheers

Matt

Here's where it can get tricky. The repsonse time of an LCD is made up from the what's called the rising time and the falling time (I'm not sure what these are, but I suspect that they are the time to go from white to black and from black to white). SO in the case of the Acer AL732 with a 16ms response time, it is made up of 12ms rising and 4ms falling.

Now the Neovo specs. suggest that the combined rise and fall times are a max of 15ms with 10ms being the norm. I think that this is marketing misinformation as Neovo haven't released any new models in some time and these times are faster than many screens that have just arrived on the market with a repsonse time of 20ms combined. I suspect that the repsonse time is actually 25ms, which sounds right for a screen at this price and age of design.

I have heard some good things about the Neovo screens but most of the reviews are from when the screen were released, a year or two ago and hence the comparison with newer, faster panels could not be made.

If you search in this forum for Neovo you'll find some more opinions.

Steve

[gunrock]

Originally posted by dejongj
Has anyone come across other LCD monitors with component inputs capable of taking an progressive scan picture? Is the Relisys capable of taking an progressive scan input?

Cheers,

Jean-Paul

According to the spec sheet for the Relisys it has a analog vga port for PC access if that's what you mean.

[Matt Horne]

Ahhh... this is too complicated!..

Gunrock I see from other posts you also had been looking at the Neovo's.. what was the final outcome ?

I am still trying to find the refresh times for the Sharp 13"/15" and the philips... its like trying to get blood from a stone!

Cheers

Matt

[Matt Horne]

Update time... I am booked in on Monday to go to AVSALES to try out the Relisys 17" with my panasonic Q.

I'll report back once I have seen it

Cheers

Matt

[gunrock]

Originally posted by Matt Horne
Ahhh... this is too complicated!..

Gunrock I see from other posts you also had been looking at the Neovo's.. what was the final outcome ?

I am still trying to find the refresh times for the Sharp 13"/15" and the philips... its like trying to get blood from a stone!

Cheers

Matt

From what I can tell, all of the LG / Sharp / Philips small form LCD TV with scart inputs have quite low response times. The demos I had in John Lewis of the Philips was particularly poor too on DOAXBV on the Xbox.

Edit: Sorry Matt, I have pretty much decided to compromise on image quality by going for the Acer AL732 which has 16ms refresh rate but only s-video and composite ins. The reason for doing this is three-fold: the monitor is supposedly very good and the price reasonable, also it has a DVI input so my PC output will be clearer and as my wife's going to have our baby soon I'll have less time for gaming than I do now, so I'll have to live with it!

Having said that I could be swayed by the Relisys if it got some good reviews!

Gunrock


Gunrock

[gunrock]

Originally posted by Matt Horne
Update time... I am booked in on Monday to go to AVSALES to try out the Relisys 17" with my panasonic Q.

I'll report back once I have seen it

Cheers

Matt

Matt,

May I suggest you take something like Metroid Prime or Mario Sunshine (maybe Zelda:TWW) to get an idea of refresh rate. Something that has wild camera movement. I think Zelda may be a good test as the ghosting would be very evident of the cel-shaded gfx.

Look forward to hearing your views.

[Matt Horne]

No problems will do (I have all those games as well!)

Any ideas for movies to try out on it ?

Cheers

Matt