Sony W4500 Series 100Hz,50.000:1 Dynamic contrast,DLNA

[vipergrm]

Originally Posted by 961

Pardon me, but why should I, as a consumer paying megadosh for a tv, be required to...

1 invalidate my warranty by poking round in the hardware?

2 be required to get into this sort of stuff at all?

I absolutely agree. This is garbage. Why would anyone in their right mind do this? It's madness.

[vipergrm]

Having read quite alot of this thread, it would appear to me that Sony have some serious quality control issues and the fact that they are saying that all LCDs suffer from this and you just have to accept it is just blatant lies. I'd have them to the Small Claims court in a second if they hit me with that nonsense. These panels are not being completed correctly. Sony needs to sort this out now.

[aidan]

Originally Posted by Andy Blueman

It's not like i didnt compare them fair, i already compared them several times, every time at least for more then 1 hour. On all displays was running the same material, they were all connected to HDMI and every TV has a remote so you can play with the settings.

Have you even seen the X models side by side with W, well i have and i coudnt see any judder, flickering and white lines on X3500 and X4500, but W4000 and W4500 have this problems.

So in the matter of a few hours you have seen white lines on the W4500, let me tell you if this is the case that TV was faulty and am surprised a retailer would display such a TV.

Have any of you recent posters actually read this thread from the start, if you had then you would see the cloud free screens easily outweigh the faulty ones, its just that the owners of faulty ones seem to want to stick around and troll the thread for some reason, maybe the fact they are on their 3rd replacement LCD screen includiing 2 x W4000's

[KeanosMagicHat]

Originally Posted by Philips Man

As noted by some people here and the guys @ TR, there seems to be some serious clouding issues with this range.

Sony Bravia KDL-46W4500 46in LCD TV Review - TV Reviews - TrustedReviews

That's a strange review. How can there be so much difference between the 52 & 46? Seems odd to me.

[KeanosMagicHat]

Originally Posted by matthew81uk

I wonder how people know if they have the 'normal' ammount of clouding, I'm quite confused as I'm not sure if my set is normal or not.

There's no such thing as a, "normal" amount of clouding.

The rule I apply is that if clouding / backlight bleed can only be seen on a black screen when there is no source then I can live with it.

If, on the other hand, it can be seen when there is a source playing and therefore interferes with the picture, that is not acceptable at all.

Originally Posted by mark1000

I have 4 LCD tv's in the house and i do NOT have any clouding ( mura defect ) on any of them.

Its NOT to be expected to get clouding on all LCD's, clouding is a fault and if people except it then manufacturers will continue to supply tv's with it.


Mark.

Spot on

[Curly99]

Moderator comment: While the discussion on the tv, lcd and clouding..etc is fine, name calling and personal attacks are not, if the thread goes down this route I will be forced to close it.

Curly

[The_Zizzler]

Originally Posted by CHRISGEO

PS:as for the W4500 of course it has here many complaints and more than W4000/V4000 or other lcd examle,but having the ability to check the sales number,the W4500 currently sells 5 times the second best selling 40"/46"/52",doesnt that say anything?

Chris,

I'll tell you what those last figures mean to me.

The only reason why i think Sony have been selling that many units is because of:

1. Reviewers like you (no offence, i love your comments usually)
2. Sites like What Hi-Fi dubbing this the best LCD in it's range. WHF have given this TV a 5 star award for the best 46" TV of 2008.

Sadly, there must be 100's if not 1000's of consumers purchasing this set based on them type of credentials/reviews alone, which will inevitably increase sales levels. The same people are who probably don't and read the forums like some of us do.

In my opinion, Sony has dropped a clanger and so have the early reviewers by raving on about how great this model is. They have essentially made a piece of turd sound like a a Mona Lisa.

Ok it's harsh to call it a piece of turd. But let's face facts - it certainly isn't the 5 star material as some people are making it out to be.

[KeanosMagicHat]

Originally Posted by christhedon

What hifhi are also on the case now.

What Hi-Fi? Sound and Vision - Many problems Sony 46W4500

Fair play to them, here's the latest,

"Well, i've just had another email - copied into a squllion Sony people - that yet again pledges an answer will be forthcoming.

Clare Newsome is Editor-in-Chief of What Hi-fi? Sound and Vision"


@mods - feel free to delete the quote if inappropriate.

[skyform]

Originally Posted by aidan

So in the matter of a few hours you have seen white lines on the W4500, let me tell you if this is the case that TV was faulty and am surprised a retailer would display such a TV.

Have any of you recent posters actually read this thread from the start, if you had then you would see the cloud free screens easily outweigh the faulty ones, its just that the owners of faulty ones seem to want to stick around and troll the thread for some reason, maybe the fact they are on their 3rd replacement LCD screen includiing 2 x W4000's

I have seen the cloud free screens, im following this thread since begin but im affraid to buy a W4500 or X4500 from what i have seen in the stores

[ChrisGgr]

Originally Posted by The_Zizzler

Chris,

I'll tell you what those last figures mean to me.

The only reason why i think Sony have been selling that many units is because of:

1. Reviewers like you (no offence, i love your comments usually)
2. Sites like What Hi-Fi dubbing this the best LCD in it's range. WHF have given this TV a 5 star award for the best 46" TV of 2008.

Sadly, there must be 100's if not 1000's of consumers purchasing this set based on them type of credentials/reviews alone, which will inevitably increase sales levels. The same people are who probably don't and read the forums like some of us do.

In my opinion, Sony has dropped a clanger and so have the early reviewers by raving on about how great this model is. They have essentially made a piece of turd sound like a a Mona Lisa.

Ok it's harsh to call it a piece of turd. But let's face facts - it certainly isn't the 5 star material as some people are making it out to be.

if sony actually cared so much about reviews,they would actually carefully inspect 5-6 sets and send them for review to look perfect.It doesnt happen though,the sets are random.As for why it sells like that,its because its the best at this price range and other than the clouding its a 5 star yes

[ChrisGgr]

Originally Posted by ziffius

But that's for a Philips, and belongs in a Philips thread. This is a Sony thread, which is why Sony is being criticised for having clouding problems and not other brands. Other brands have plenty of problems too, but those should be discussed in their own threads.

Originally Posted by mark1000

Trouble is Chris we are discussing the Sony brand in this thread and not Philip's/tosh/jvc or any other brand you care to mention.


Mark.

its unfair though only to blame sony.and the thing is that the actual cases that are truly worse than anything are counted with the fingers of 1 hand.All the others are simple cases where its either:
1)clouding barely visible
2)clouding visible only on blank screen
3)not annoying clouding.

the really annoying clouding is like alper's set or the trusted reviews 46" unit(which they didnt post a pic though.....).

[The_Zizzler]

Originally Posted by CHRISGEO

if sony actually cared so much about reviews,they would actually carefully inspect 5-6 sets and send them for review to look perfect.It doesnt happen though,the sets are random.As for why it sells like that,its because its the best at this price range and other than the clouding its a 5 star yes

"Other than clouding"

You make it sound like this is a minor issue.

It's like me saying:

Other than the bad story line, Charlies Angels is the best movie ever made.

Cmon man, it doesn't deserve a title of what it COULD be. It deserves the title of what it actually IS.

[mmelo]

Originally Posted by The_Zizzler

"Other than clouding"

You make it sound like this is a minor issue.

It's interesting, I just finished reading hdtvtest's review of the X3500. There ( Sony KDL40X3500 Bravia LCD Post-Calibration Measurements ) you can read:

"
Screen/ Backlight Uniformity Those of you who have followed the history of Bravia 1080p LCD panels will know that this auto-dimming is Sony's response to the clouding problem (the mura effect is most obvious on blank input with a high backlight setting in low ambient light condition) that has plagued the W2000 and to a lesser extent the X2000 series.

With or without the help of auto-dimming, quality control on the latest batches of Sony LCD televisions appears to be much better: my Sony KDL40X3500 review unit did not exhibit as much clouding as on the KDL40W2000 that I tested seven months ago even with backlight cranked to maximum. "

(my bold)
It is, therefore my belief that, while clouding may be common and to a certain extent expectable, Sony can't be bothered/cannot afford to bin as many units after QA than it did during the X3500 stint. And this doesn't bode well to potential buyers.

[ChrisGgr]

Originally Posted by The_Zizzler

"Other than clouding"

You make it sound like this is a minor issue.

It's like me saying:

Other than the bad story line, Charlies Angels is the best movie ever made.

Cmon man, it doesn't deserve a title of what it COULD be. It deserves the title of what it actually IS.

its not a minor issue,its a real issue for the sets affected.But the sets affected are less than the non affected.So if you put it like that,a non-cloudy W4500 is a five star

[philip birdi]

Im about to get mine exchanged for another 52w4500 do you think this one will been better?anyone ever swapped theirs and had the same problem?

Also do the v4000 and w4000 have as much clouding trouble as the w4500?