[gunrock]

Something with lots of greys [so you can look for repsonse times - the start of Xmen perhaps? Magneto's origins. Maybe the start of Saving Private Ryan]
Something with dark sections to test the black levels and constrast [errr, can't think of anything suitable. Matrix: Trinity's opening act - it's at night and inside a murky building. Ooh, I know! Fellowship Of The Ring the HelmsDeep battles, only if you've got a dodgy copy of a DVD screener]
Something with vibrant colours [like the opening scenes of Shrek or the chase sequence with the dragon]
Something fast moving [like Spiderman, where he's webbing his way through the city at a rate of knots]

Anyway, I'm all DVD'd out. Some others might have some better ideas.

[Matt Horne]

Ok.. I should be able to sort some of those out.. I reckon Blade with the nightclub scene (and all those reds) would be good as well!

Cheers

Matt

Originally posted by gunrock
According to the spec sheet for the Relisys it has a analog vga port for PC access if that's what you mean.

Not quite

I know it has component input for connection from say a DVD progressive scan player or a progressive scan Xbox or a line doubler from Sky...In my case all apply and will be switched so I have got one connection normally to my projector. As I do not want to close the curtains in the summer evenings it would be great to split that one component cable out of my amp to both my projector and this Relisys RLT1720. This was I do not need SVHS connections at all so no cable switching from any of my sources.

I'd be really interested in what you think after your demo. Considering it has also an VGA input and 1280x768 native resolution I think it should not be a problem.....

Sounds too good to be true for this price...

Cheers,

Jean-Paul

Originally posted by nigel
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And, when you do buy, get it from somewhere that allows you to either:

a) check out YOUR set before you take it away or
b) return it no questions asked

because, LCDs can suffer bad pixels - these are a manufacturing 'defect' which many manufacturers have a policy that is less than 100% working - in many cases, up to say 5 permanently bright pixels is deemed to be OK - which you would not want. The good news is that, if perfect when new, it is UNLIKELY to aquire bad pixels in use. [/B]

John Lewis tend to treat 'pixel drop' as a fault (even if the manufacturer won't!), and usually will exchange the set for a new one - then sell of the 'faulty' one cheap! Even if they won't exchange then the set is covered by their 28 day return policy! so just give it back! This also applies to pc monitors and laptops!! They prefer to do all they can to keep the customer happy!

[gunrock]

Any views on your Relisys testing session?

Some eager beavers here are awaiting your verdict.

Steve

[Matt Horne]

Just got back with a big box in the car.. I liked it so much I bought the display one

In depth impressions and photos later.. lets just say.. no blur!!!

Metriod Prime/Zelda via component looked beautiful.. though no prog scan support

More later

Cheers

Matt/

so you went for the Relisys 17 inch widescreen. if it is as good as it sounds, i think i would be tempted to. where did you go to have a look at it? will be very interested to hear your thoughts on it

[Matt Horne]

I went to AV-Sales down near tunbridge wells.. and took my panasonic Q for testing.

I'll put up a proper review later when I have it setup with my arcam DV88+.

Cheers

Matt

[ajb]

Hi

This screen had not previously been listed on the Relisys website. Upon checking today I note that it has appeared and it gives specs for the sound being 5W per channel not 2.5W as previously.

I for one am very interested in the review to follow. Detailed examination of the connectivity would be appreciated.

Kind regards
Andrew

[GAmbrose]

Do LCD tv's have response times like PC screens?

Because I've got a Hitachi TFT for my PC with a 16ms response time. I'd imagine a mugh higher one would cause lots of unsightly smearing in fast console games.

Gary A

[gunrock]

Originally posted by GAmbrose
Do LCD tv's have response times like PC screens?

Because I've got a Hitachi TFT for my PC with a 16ms response time. I'd imagine a mugh higher one would cause lots of unsightly smearing in fast console games.

Gary A

Gary,

They are exactly the same technology except with some other AV inputs and a tuner built-in. This model is also 16ms (or so the manufacturer's literature would have us believe), so it should be most excellent for gaming.

Gunrock

[Matt Horne]

Back again.. just got in and the relisys is still in the box .. anyhow..regarding the response time.. the box itself actually specifies 25ms.. but theres no way it could be that slow.. I put on Zelda (the new one) and zoomed and rotated the camera.. it was clear beautiful and smooth.. no blurring or distortion that I could see.. the same for metriod prime...

A few quick points :

1. It has no zoom mode (only 4:3 / 16:9) so u would be stuffed with non-anamorphic films
2. It has seperate settings for each input.. but I played quickly with the brightness/contrast etc etc and did not really see a huge variation between the low and high settings (though it was a damn good piccy in the first place.
3. Component looked stunning - S-video was a bit softer.. but also looked great.. I'll be able to compare better once I get a s-video lead so I can play games via s-video and component
4. As previously mentioned it does no support progscan.. I basically got a double image when I tried to pass it PS from my cube.
5. Sound is very good considering the size of the speakers.. I was happily watching star wars/ blade sitting across the room and so easily be adaquate for the bedroom.. even when I headed to max volume it did not seem to be too tinny or bass light (you can adjust the bass/treble and balance in the settings)
6. Connections on the back include RF/s-video/component/composite ins - vga and stereo phonos along with a phone in (from a sound card for example)
7. I quickly saw it operating in PC mode and it looked crisp and clear.. from a quick glance at the manual.. if you used lower res's from your PC then it would scale it up to fit the screen automatically. (i.e like 640/480 from a DC)
8. Remote is simpley and works

So all in all a very good buy esp as its under £500.. I'll give more info once its up and running..

Cheers

Matt

P.S The black one looks much better than silver (where it really means a silver body with a black border round the screen)

[Dutch]

Hi Matt,

Thanks for the review so far. Could I ask you to check if it will accept native rate from a PC. Did you try NTSC and PAL prog scan? Also, is the tuner with teletext available yet? Thanks for your time.

Steve

[Matt Horne]

Hi..

what do you mean by native rate ? If you use a rate other than 1280x??? then it will scale the picture up to fit the screen.

I believe the teletext feature is due this month (I don't think mine has it)

And no it does not accept PAL or NTSC progscan. (i tried ntsc from a gamecube)

Cheers

Matt

if you dont mind me asking how much did you end up paying for your screen, the cheapest i can find is about £450?

thanks

matt

[Matt Horne]

£496 (this includes VAT and Del if you order it from the website)

Its not the cheapest.. but I was far happier being able to test it (and check up on any dead pixels which there are none) rather than just buying it mail order.

Also you get a 3yr warranty on it as well...so I am well chuffed!

Cheers

Matt

[Dutch]

Hi Matt,

By native rate, I mean does it accept a PC signal at the panel's 1280x768 resolution - not all LCD screens do. Thanks for all your reports. It looks like this set is a great (and cheaper) alternative to the Grundig and that 3 year guarantee is excellent!

Steve

[Matt Horne]

I see what u mean... yes I believe it does.. and I think thats how it was setup in the demo room

Cheers

Matt

[Dutch]

Thanks, Matt.

Steve

Thanks for the response, sounds like a good LCD TV. Shame about not accepting progressive scan signals, especially considering it does accept and scales!!! VGA input signals....

My search continues....

CAn you guys give me some links of who is selling this in the UK ?


Secondly Matt have you found any pictures to show the difference between the black and silver colour ?

[Matt Horne]

Yes mate.. there pictures up on dabs.com (who also sell it).

If u search google a few places have it (though I don;t recognize any of them other than dabs.com and av-sales.com -- though price is currently wrong on the website).

Other wise once I have it setup I'll post some piccies myself

Matt

these uys have it the cheapest i can find:
http://myahead.com/go/look/product.s...duct?v_id=4314

[Matt Horne]

Ok.. basically (if you have not seen the piccie) the area surrounding the screen (and speakers) is black leaving a silver edge).

BTW that price is without VAT and delivery.. which makes it about £480..

I think DABS is about cheapest as there postage is not too excessive.

Cheers

Matt

i have found it for £444 inc vat and delivery at microlanduk.com or http://secure.addonsonline.co.uk/add...d=30&catid=13. this is the cheapest i have seen it and it seems a pretty good deal but you dont get to test it before buying which is a minus.

[Matt Horne]

Bargain .

BTW the same print of the warranty does say something about not necessarily replacing it due to dead pixels.. (.i.e I guess they follow the same sort of rules as the other firms where they will not sort it out if its not bad enough in there eyes!)

I should be getting it out of box tonight and setting it up properly!

Cheers

Matt

[Matt Horne]

Heres a piccie (not my actual one but the black/silver)

Matt

Hi Matt,

Do you know if the unit will accept an NTSC input (from my R1 DVDs).

Also, the spec sheet from Relisys suggests calling the retailer to find out whether the unit has Teletext yet - does yours?

Thanks

Daren

[Kronenbourg]

Matt,

Looking forward to seeing the pictures and hearing the review!

I have been looking for a 17" widescreen tv for a while to go in my office for when the wife kicks me out of the living room (she likes Eastenders, I dont), and this sounds pretty much ideal.

Might have missed it you saying, but does it have SCART input?

Cheers

Chris

[Matt Horne]

Hi..

Yes it does play ntsc dvd's (my Panasonic Q is a dvd player crossed with a gamecube..) I tested both PAL and NTSC DVD's via the s-video connection and NTSC gamecube games via the component.

I do not think mine has teletext..though I really have not looked at the tuner yet (but there was no buttons on the remote to choose it though). The reason I guess they say to check is because the tuner comes in a seperate box to the monitor and you just remove a blanking plate on the back to fit it. I believe they do this so that they can be classed as a monitor rather than TV's. (for import duty ?)

This only has s-video/composite and component connections which is perfect for me. If u wanted to hook up sky you would have to either use composite of one of the RGB 2 s-video/component convertors like those sold by the forums sponsors www.rgbtosvideo.com.

Matt